HomeMy WebLinkAboutRe: driveway .�/8 Na�ic Slza�o �,
2335 Highway 36 W
St.Paul,MN 55113
Tel 651-636-4600
Fax 651-636-1311
www.bonestroo.com
November 10, 2008 �Bonestroo
Ms. Evelyn Turner
Planner
City of Orono
PO Box 66
Crystal Bay, MN 553Z3
Re: Paula Johnson Driveway Grading
City of Orono
Bonestroo File No.: 000139-08000-2
Dear Evelyn:
We have reviewed the grading plan prepared by Gronberg and Associates dated 11-5-08 for the relocation
of the driveway in city right-of-way to serve the Paula Johnson property. We have the following comments
with regards to engineering matters:
• The grading and pavement plans generally agree with the direction Don and I gave to Paula and
are acceptable.
• The plans do not show any erosion and sediment control. Either the plans should be revised to
include appropriate erosion and sediment control or the applicant should install the appropriate
erosion and sediment control and have city staff inspect and approve the controls prior to the start
of grading operations
• The applicant should provide the city with a copy of the Hennepin County permit for work within
the right-of-way for their files.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact me at(651) 604-4863.
Sincerely,
BONESTR00
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Cc Don DeBaere, Orono Public Works
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HENNEPIN COUNTY
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DRIVEWAY OR STREET ENTRANCE PERMIT AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
=ield inspected By: David Zetterstrom Date: 09/19/08
_ocation: #19 3768/3818 North Shore Drive Speed Zone: n/a ADT: 6900
Vearest Cross Street:
;If Rural)
3ight Distance: Actual - Left Right
Vlinimum: Minimum - Left Right
�urb to be removed to: � Construction Joint � Sawed Joint
�ecommended
�rainage: X Surface ❑ Culvert Culvert Length _ Culvert diameter ___..
1. CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICATIONS (Within Right of Way)
3ASE SURFACE CURB SIDEWALK SHOULDER BLVD/DITCH
Type CL5 Equi Type 2341 BIT Type none Type Type Topsoil
Depth 4" Min Depth 3" Min Design Depth Depth Depth
?. TRAFFIC CONTROL REQUIREMENTS Plate#2
3. SPECIAL PROVISIONS One 20' minimum, 30' maximum width shared private driveway entrance permitted per sketch.
approach to be common within County Road 19 right of way to ease turns into and from site.
DO NOT PLACE CONCRETE ON COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHOUT WRITTEN
PERMISSION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CALL (612) 596-0355
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COMMERCIAL/ APPLICATION FOR DRIVEWAY OR STREET ENTRANCE PERMIT
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4. DR�VEWAY OR STREET WILL BE: � TEMPORARY � PERMANENT DATE PROPOSED
ENTRANCE WILL BE NEEDED
5. �S THE PROPERTY: PLATTED � UNPLATTED NUMBER OF PRESENT DRIVEWAYS
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January 30, 2008
Paula Johnson
3818 North Shore Drive
Wayzata MN 55391
Nancy and Marvin Blair
5501 Village Drive
Edina MN 5�439
Greetinbs:
I have heard from both Paula and Nancy that the arranbement of your shared driveway to North
Shore Drive has become unworkable for a number of reasons. I've been asked what options are
available. I have identified three:
1. Since North Shore Drive is a county road, Hennepin County controls the number,
location and size of driveways onto it. Dave Zetterstrom of the County Transportation
Department indicates they would not approve two separated driveways. However they
would approve two side by side driveways each wide enough for two-way traffic. To do
this you would need to agree upon the location of the driveways. You would each need a
permit from Hennepin County Transportation Department for the portion of the driveway
within the County right of way and a permit from the City for the portion of the driveway
within the City right of way. Contact Dave Zetterstrom (612-�96-03��) for information
about the county permit and me about the City permit.)
2. You could widen the existing driveway where it enters North Shore Drive. This would
require a permit from the County and the City.
3. Either or both of you could petition the City to construct Oak Place. The road would be
24 feet wide, would be centered in the right of way, and would extend to the north edge
of Paula's driveway. There would be no parking allowed on this road and your
individual driveways could be no wider than 20 when they intersected your property
lines. The cost of constructing the road would the assessed to both properties and you
would be expected to maintain it. You will be assessed all the administrative costs as
well as actual construction costs.
Telephone(953)249-4600 • Fax(9�2)249-4616
www.ci.orono.mn.us
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Paula Johnson
Nancy and Marvin Blair
January 30, 2008
You should resolve your differences before the Blairs' house is finished as the portion of the
driveway that drains to North Shore Drive must be paved before the certificate of occupancy is
issued. Since this is a private disagreement City Staff cannot be involved in its resolution. You
may want to consider using a mediation service. I've enclosed a pamphlet from the agency that
serves this area.
Sincerel ,
Evel n Turner
City Planner
Cc: Dave Zetterstrom
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January 30, 20Q8
Paula Johnson
3818 North Shore Drive
Wayzata MN 55391
Nancy and Marvin Blair
5501 Village Drive
Edina MN 55439
Greetings:
I have heazd from both Paula and Nancy that the arrangement of your shared driveway to North
Shore Drive has become unworkable for a number of reasons. I've been asked what options are
available. I have identified three:
1. Since North Shore Drive is a county road, Hennepin County controls the number,
location and size of driveways onto it. Dave Zetterstrom of the County Transportation
Department indicates they would not approve two separated driveways. However they
would approve two side by side driveways each wide enough for two-way traffic. To do
this you would need to agree upon the location of the driveways. You would each need a
permit from Hennepin County Transportation Department for the portion of the driveway
within the County right of way and a permit from the City for the portion of the driveway
within the City right of way. Contact Dave Zetterstrom (612-596-035�) for information
about the county permit and me about the City permit.)
2. You could widen the existing driveway where it enters North Shore Drive. This would
require a permit from the County and the City.
3. Either or both of you could petition the City to construct Oak Place. The road would be
24 feet wide, would be centered in the right of way, and would extend to the north edge
of Paula's driveway. There would be no parking allowed on this road and your
individual driveways could be no wider than 20 when they intersected your property
lines. The cost of constructing the road would the assessed to both properties and you
would be expected to maintain it. You will be assessed all the administrative costs as
well as actual construction costs.
Telephone(952)249-4600 • Fax(952)249-4616
www.ci.orono.mn.us
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Paula Johnson
Nancy and Marvin Blair
January 30, 2008
� You should resolve your differences before the Blairs' house is finished as the portion of the
driveway that drains to North Shore Drive must be paved before the certificate of occupancy is
issued. Since this is a private disagreement City Staff cannot be involved in its resolution. You
may want to consider using a mediation service. I've enclosed a pamphlet from the agency that
serves this area.
Sincerel ,
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City Planner
Cc: Dave Zetterstrom
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October 27, 2008
Bob Beissel
Robert Beissel Homes
1718 Eagle Land
Mound MN 55364
Dear Bob:
As you are probably aware, the shared driveway arrangement between the Blair residence you are
constructing at 3768 North Shore Drive and the Johnson residence at 3818 has disintegrated.
Ms. Johnson intends to close off the existing driveway and construct a new driveway. The east edge of
this driveway will be on the centerline of Oak Place. You will need to construct an adjacent driveway
on the east side of the centerline abutting her driveway to provide access to the Blair residence. This
driveway must be a minimum of 8 feet wide. A permit is required from Hennepin County as North
Share Drive is a County Road. The County may specify a wider minimum width and may specify a
maximum width. For information on the permit contact Dave Zetterstrom at Hennepin County
Transportation Department (612-596-0355). You must also obtain permission from Don DeBaere,
Street Supervisor for the City of Orono (952-249-4600) for the work within Oak Place.
In reviewing the Johnson proposal I realized that we failed to note on the permit that the driveway
must be paved from the edge of the roadway to the point that it no longer drains toward the roadway.
The Blairs were made aware of this requirement in a letter I sent them last January (copy enclosed).
If you should have any questions feel free to contact me at 952-249-4623 or eturner@ci.orono.mn.us.
Sincerely,
Evelyn Turner
City Planner
Cc: Dave Zetterstrom
Don DeBaere
Telephone(952)249-4600 • Fax(952)249-4616
www.ci.orono.mn.us
Page 1 of 1
Don Debaere
From: Johnson, Paula J (paula.johnson�nwa.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17,2008 12:23 PM
To: Don Debaere; Evelyn M.Turner; Lyle Oman
Subject: 3818 N Shore Dr Driveway dilemma
1 need clarification and direction on the development of my driveway. I have received conflicting information and
constantly changing requirements. Every time I think I have pertormed all of the stated requirements, I get shut
down and another hurdle tossed my way.The first time it was that I had to have a surveyor out to define the east
edge of my property-an extra$350.Then I was told I need an engineering quality drawing-an extra$500. Now
the driveway project has turned into a road-building project according to the latest requirement change. What was
a$3000-$5000 cost has increased to$15,000-$20,000. I have already invested over$1,000 and have absolutely
nothing but a survey stake and road plan on a piece of paper for the trouble. Not to mention many, many hours of
my time and the entire driveway building season gone.
1)Why has a driveway plan morphed into a new aiy street for Orono?If I buiki a street,will the public be able to
use it?Will Orono maintain it-and the snow removal and general maintenance?
2) How will the city ensure that both homeowners pay their fair share?When other streefis are buiR in Orono, are
the homeowners assessed for the entire cost? How is it divided and billed?This is now beyond my means to
finance the neighbot's portion and yet you require the excavation be done in one session.
3)Why was this requirement sprung on me at the last moment? I have followed all of Evelyn's letters and
requests and no where did it say the driveway had to be developed using street-building s�cs.Who added this
requirement and why?Under what authoriiy?
4) If 1 do nothing,what will you require from the Blairs?How will you enforce it?
I had another very close call last Fri trying to pull out of my driveway.All t am trying to accompGsh is a safe
driveway wide enough for two vehicles and with adequate sight lines.Why has�is turned into such a difficuft
battle?It would've been simplest if from the start you would have vacated the land and allowed us to each build
our own driveway under the rules of Hennepin County access.
11/18/2008
Page 1 of 1
Don Debaere
From: Evelyn M. Turner
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:32 PM
To: Soren Mattick
Cc: Lyle Oman; Don Debaere
Subject: FW: 3818 N Shore Dr Driveway dilemma
I think we have a duck problem. It will be in a dedicated right of way. It will look like a street. It wiil be constructed like a
street. It will work like a st�eet. i think it is a street.
I'm out of this.
ET
From:Johnson, Paula J [mailto:paula.johnson@nwa.com)
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:23 PM
To: Don Debaere; Evelyn M.Tumer; Lyle Oman
Subject: 3818 N Shore Dr Driveway dilemma
I need clarification and direction on the development of my driveway. I have received conflicting information and constanUy
changing requirements. Every time I think I have performed all of the stated requiremenis, I get shut down and another
hurdle tossed my way. The first time it was that I had to have a surveyor out to define the east edge of my properry-an extra
$350. Then I was told I need an engineering quality drawing-an extra$500. Now the driveway project has turned into a
road-building project according to the latest requirement change.What was a$3000-$5000 cost has increased to$15,000-
$20,000. I have already invested over$1,000 and have absolutely nothing but a survey stake and road plan on a piece of
paper for the trouble. Not to mention many, many hours of my time and the entire driveway building season gone.
1)Why has a driveway plan morphed into a new city street for Orono?If I build a street,will the public be able to use it?Will
Orono maintain it-and the snow removal and general maintenance?
2) How will the city ensure that both homeowners pay their fair share?When other streets are built in Orono, are the
homeowners assessed for the entire cost? How is it divided and bitled?This is now beyond my means to finance the
neighbor's portion and yet you require the excavation be done in one session.
3)Why was this requirement sprung on me at the last moment? I have followed all of Evelyn's letters and requests and no
where did it say the driveway had to be developed using street-building specs.Who added this requirement and why? Under
what authority?
4)If I do nothing,what will you require from the Blairs? How will you enforce it?
I had another very close call last Fri trying to pull out of my driveway. All I am trying to accomplish is a safe driveway wide
enough for two vehicles and with adequate sight lines.Why has this turned into such a difficult battle?It would've been
simplest if from the start you would have vacated the land and allowed us to each build our own driveway under the rules of
Hennepin County access.
11/18/2008
Page 1 of 1
Don Debaere
From: Johnson, Paula J [paula.johnson(�nwa.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17,2008 12:23 PM
To: Don Debaere; Evelyn M.Turner; Lyle Oman
Subject: 3818 N Shore Dr Driveway dilemma
I need clarification and direction on the development of my driveway. I have received conflicting information and
constantly changing requirements. Every time I think I have pertormed all of the stated requirements, I get shut
down and another hurdie tossed my way.The first time it was that I had to have a surveyar out to define the east
edge of my property-an extra $350.Then I was told I need an engineering quality drawing -an extra $500. Now
the driveway project has tumed into a road-building project according to the latest requirement change. What was
a$3000-$5000 cost has increased to$15,000-$20,000. I have already invested over$1,000 and have absolutely
nothing but a survey stake and road plan on a �ece of paper for the trouble. Not to mention many, many hours of
my time and the entire driveway building season gone.
1}Why has a driveway plan morphed into a new aiy street for Orono?If I build a street,will the public be able to
use it?Will Orono maintain it-and the snow removal and general maintenance?
2)How will the city ensure that both homeowners pay their fair share?When other streets are built in Orono, are
the homeowners assessed for the entire cost?How is it divided and billed?This is now beyond my means to
finance the neighbot's porton and yet you require the excavation be done in one session. �
3)Why was this requirement sprung on me at the last moment? I have followed all of Evelyn's lette�s and
requests and no where did it say the driveway had to be developed using street-building specs.Who added this
requirement and why?Under what authority?
4) If 1 do nothing,what will you require from the Blairs?How will you enforce it?
I had another very close call last Fri trying to pull out of my driveway.All I am trying to accompGsh is a safe
driveway wide enough for two vehides and with adequate sight lines.Why has this turned into such a difficult
battle? It would've been simplest if from the start you would have vacated the land and allowed us to each build
our own driveway. under the rules of Hennepin County access.
11/18/2008
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CALL P�R11lIIIT OFFICE (612) 596-0355 PRIOR TO �
STARTING CONSTf4UCTION AND F�R INSPECTION.
HC533G(6/00) .
HENNEPIN COUNTY
Transportation Department
1600 Prairie Drive—Medina, MN 55340-5421
Permit No. 4�55
DR/VEWAY OR STREET ENTRANCE PERMIT AND SPEC/AL PROV/S/ONS
Field Inspected By: David Zetterstrom Date: 09/19/08
Location: #19 3768/3818 North Shore Drive Speed Zone: n/a ADT: 6900
Nearest Cross Street:
(If Rural)
Sight Distance: Actual - Left Right
Minimum: Minimum - Left Right
Curb to be removed to: � Construction Joint � Sawed Joint
Recommended
Drainage: X Surface ❑ Culvert Culvert Length Culvert diameter
1. CONSTRUCTION SPEC{FICATIONS (Within Right of Way)
BASE SURFACE CURB SIDEWALK SHOULDER BLVD/DITCH
Type CL5 Equi Type 2341 BIT Type none Type Type Topsoil
Depth 4" Min Depth 3" Min Design Depth Depth Depth
2. TRAFFIC CONTROL REQUIREMENTS Plate#2
3. SPECIAL PROVISIONS One 20' minimum, 30' maximum width shared private driveway entrance permitted per sketch.
Approach to be common within County Road 19 right of way to ease turns into and from site.
DO NOT PLACE CONCRETE ON COUNTY RIGHT OF-WAY WITHOUT WRITTEN
PERMISSION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CALL (612) 596-0355
I Diagram A ` Diagram B .
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IMPOitTANT: TYPE"a"CONSTRUC?ROUNDED BERM TO IMPORTANT: CONSTRlfC7 SWALE TO DtVERT WATER FROM
R� PREVENT WATSR FRCA7 RURlNIIdG DQWN C�� SHOULDER. ��
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Final Inspection Date: APPROVEDf�EB:
❑ Satisfactory HENNEPIN COUNTY
Driveway was found to be: o Unsatisfactory Transportaf
Inspected By: By: �--
Date: 9— 2 Z -C,J c�
HC 5329 9/00
ENTRANCE HENNEPIN COUNTY R.�' CE+ �`j� "�""B��j�„
PERMIT FEES Transportation Department
�A� Planning Division SEP 1 S 2008 6B ""'
SINGLE 1600 Prairie Drive
RESIDENTIAL $so.00 Medina,Minnesota 55340 ��,:
TEMPORARY $100.00 "'--
coMn��cv,u APPLICAT/ON FOR DR/VEWAY OR STREET ENTRANCE PE MIT
s�er $Zoo.00 (READ:"General Requirements"on the Reverse Side)
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2' MAPN AANION IS HEREBY MADE FOR PERMISSION T0.CONSTRUCT AND THEREAFTER � DRIVEWAY(S) PUBLIC
❑ STREETS
3. BUILQING TO BE CO�STF?UCTED: NO � YES � RESIDENCE ❑ SPECIr1'TYPE
4. DRIVEWAY OR STREET WILL BE: � TEMPORARY � PERMANENT DATE PROPOSED
ENTRANCE WILL BE NEEDED
5. IS THE PROPERTY: � PLATTED � UNPLATTED NUMBER OF PRESENT DRIVEWAYS �
OR OTHER ENTRANCES TO PROPERTY
� PHtMIT NUMB63
6. BUILDING PERMIT ACQUIRED: ' NO � YES
7. NPE OF PROPOSED ENTRANCE SURFACE: � BITUMINOUS � CONCRETE ROCK � OTHER
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DATE PRINTED NAME SI(�JA RE
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TO HELP THE/NSPECTOR,PLACE STAKE WITH A CLOTH ATTACHED, IN THE ER OF THE PROPOSED
ENTRANCE RNL?H/GHER THAN ANY SURROUND/NG VEGETAT/ON.
APPLICANT'S DIAGRAM(IF SITE/CONSTRUCTION PLAN IS NOT SUBMITTED)
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Hennepin County Property Map - Tax Year: 2008
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Parcel ID:08-117-23-34-0060 Current Parcel Date: 10/3/2008
Owner Name: PAULA]JOHNSON
Parcel Address: 3818 NORTH SHORE DR,ORONO,MN 55391
Property Type: RESIDENTIAL LAK Sale Price: ;0.00
Homestead: FIOMESTEAD Sale Date: /
Area(sqft):43336 Sale Code:
Area(acres): 0.99
A-T-B:TORRENS
Market Total: ;488,000.00
Tax Total: ;3,800.92
http:1/gis.co.hennepin.mn.us/HCPropertyMap/Locator.aspx?PID=0811723340060 10/3/2008
December 2, 2008
Paula Johnson
3818 North Shore Drive
Wayzata, MN 55391
Mazvin and Nancy Blair
5501 Village Drive, #205 ��
Edina, MN 55439
Deaz Ms. Johnson and Mr. and Ms. Blair:
Please be advised that this law firm represents the City of Orono. I am writing
this letter in the hopes that I will be able to clarify the City's position regarding the
proposed work within the City's ri�ht-of-way(Oak Place)that provides each of your
homes access to North Shore Drive. The City has received a proposed plan prepared
by Gronberg& Associates, Inc., dated November 5, 2008. It is my understanding that
this plan was prepared for Ms. 7ohnson. The City has reviewed the plan and the City
Engineer has provided comments. Provided that the plan dated November 5, 2008, as
well as the Engineer's comments are followed,the City has approved the proposed
plan. The current design, as approved by the City, is necessary to satisfy Hennepin
County, the City Code and the Fire Marshal.
There have been questions regarding who is responsible for the installation,
payment, and ultimate maintenance of the access being placed within the City's right-
of-way. The City will not be contributing any money towazd the construction that is
being proposed within the Oak Place right-of-way. Furthermore,the City will not
maintain or plow this area. It is up to each of you to decide how the e�enses for this
project will be split between the two of you.
If you have any questions regarding this correspondence please feel free to
contact me at(651)2346217.
Very truly yours,
CAMPBELL KNUTSON
Professional Association
By:
Soren M. Mattick
SMM/jmo
Cc: William Wells, Orono City Administrator
Tom Kellogg, Orono City Engineer
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Dear Bob:
As you are probably aware, the shared driveway arrangement between the Blair residence you are
constructing at 3768 North Shore Drive and the Johnson residence at 3818 has disintegrated.
Ms. Johnson intends to close off the existing driveway and construct a new driveway. The east edge of
this driveway will be on the centerline of Oak Place. You will need to construct an adjacent driveway
on the east side of the centerline abutting her driveway to provide access to the Blair residence. This
driveway must be a minimum of 8 feet wide. A permit is required from Hennepin County as North
Shore Drive is a County Road. The County may specify a wider minimum width and may specify a
maximum width. For information on the permit contact Dave Zetterstrom at Hennepin County
Transportation De�artment (612-596-0355). You must also obtain permission from Don DeBaere,
Street Supervisor for the City of Orono (9�2-249-4600) for the work within Oak Place.
In reviewing the Johnson proposal I realized that we failed to note on the permit that the driveway
must be paved from the edge of the roadway to the point that it no longer drains toward the roadway.
The Blairs were made aware of this requirement in a letter I sent them last January(copy enclosed).
If you should have any questions feel free to contact me at 952-249-4623 or eturner@ci.orono.mn.us.
Sincerely, ��,,.� , ��rj � q j�/ 1
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Ev�lyn Turner
City Planner �� � �° ��- � � 3 -�� y �
Ce: Dave Zetterstrom
Don DeBaere
Telephone(952)249-4600 • Fax(952)249-4616
www.ci.orono.mn.us
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Don Debaere
From: Johnson, Paula J [paula.johnson�nwa.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17,2008 12:23 PM
To: Don Debaere; Evelyn M.Turner; Lyle Oman
Subject: 3818 N Shore Dr Driveway dilemma
I need clarification and direction on the development of my driveway. l have received conflicting information and
constantly changing requirements. Every time I think I have performed all of the stated requirements, I get shut
down and another hurdle tossed my way.The first time it was that I had to have a surveyor out to define the east
edge of my property-an extra $350.Then I was told i need an engineering quality drawing-an extra $500. Now
the driveway project has turned into a road-building project according to the latest requirement change. What was
a$3000-$5000 cost has increased to$15,000-$20,000. I have already invested over$1,000 and have absofutely
nothing but a survey stake and road plan on a piece of paper for the trouble. Not to mention many, many hours of
my time and the entire driveway building season gone. �
1)Why has a driveway plan morphed into a new aty street for Orono?If I build a street,will the public be able to
use it?Will Orono maintain it-and the snow removal and general maintenance?
2) How will the city ensure that both homeowners pay their fair share?When other streets are built in Orono, are
the homeowners assessed for the entire cost? How is it divided and billed?This is now beyond my means to
finance the neighbor's portion and yet you require the excavation be done in one session.
3)Why was this requirement sprung on me at the last moment? I have followed all of Evelyn's lette�s and
requests and no where did it say the driveway had to be developed using street-building specs.Who added this
requirement and why?Under what authority?
4) If I do nothing,what will you require from the Blairs? How will you enforce it?
I had another very close call last Fri trying to pull out of my driveway.All I am trying to accompGsh is a safe
driveway wide enough for finro vehicles and with adequate sight lines.Why has this turned into such a difficult
battle?It would've been simplest if from the start you would have vacated the land and allowed us to each build
our own driveway under the rules of Hennepin County access.
11/18/2008
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