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Home My WebLink AboutRe: septic info . R Christine Mattson From: Christine Mattson Sent: Monday,August 15, 2016 4:50 PM To: Mike Johnsrud Cc: Jeremy Barnhart; Roger Peitso Subject: RE: 135 Luce Line Ridge Attachments: septic.pdf Mike I've responded to your questions below in red. Roger, I left you a voice message earlier. I am looking at purchasing 135 Luce Line Ridge in Orono. I would like to initially discuss putting up an accessory building. I have downloaded the application packet but I have some questions about your process. My initial questions are: 1. The lot is 2.68 acres. I wouldn't be building more than a 1200 sq. ft footprint. I believe the property is a PRD. Can you please tell me what the setbacks would be? The setbacks for an accessory structure vary depending upon the size of the structure proposed. Attached is the Accessory Structure information sheet. 135 Luce Line Ridge is located in the RR-1A zoning district. However, setbacks (building envelope) are determined by the PRD Resolution No. 1709 (attached). An accessory structure must not be located nearer the front/street lot line than the house. Also, in addition to the setbacks based on size, a proposed accessory structure must be a minimum of 10 feet from other buildings; 20 feet from the drainfield; and 10 feet from other parts of the septic system. 2. Would you have exact placement/specifications on the existing sepfic system? If yes, would these available to me? a. Initially I would like to place the structure on the north/northwest corner of the existing driveway. I have attached a copy of the as-built location of the septic system from 1987. As Roger has stated above, we cannot assure this location is accurately depicted. The location should be verified. 3. I've read that accessory buildings cannot be placed closer to the street than the house. This, along with whatever the side and rear setbacks are, may be difficult to do in that location. I want to hold to that; however, I do not know what the setbacks are. Would it possible/feasible to obtain a variance if it is necessary? a. I would be mirroring the aesthetics (cedar, brick, angles, etc.) of the house on this new structure b. I would be trying to retain the trees and vegetation of where I believe the septic drain field is currently According to the PRD Resolution No. 1709 the front setback is 50'. Any proposal of an accessory structure forward (streetward) of the principal structure would require a variance. Part of the variance request requires stating what the practical difficulty is for requesting a variance. You will need to describe why the accessory structure needs to be forward of the principal structure, i.e. is there no legal alternative location? 4. Would it be possible to meet someone from your office out at the property? a. We are having our inspection next Tuesday, August 16. b. If that day doesn't work, I can make it when it's convenient for you. i ; 4 It is not our policy to participate in private home inspections or other real estate transaction activities. We would be better equipped to discuss the projects with you in our office utifizing maps and information. Please don't hesitate to contact us with any additional questions you may have. Christine Mattson Planning Assistant City of Orono 2750 Kelley Parkway � Orono � MN � 55356(physical address) PO Box 66 I Crystal Bay I MN I 55323-0066 (mailing addressJ � '�' 952.249.4620 e 8 952.249.4616 � cmattson@ci.orono.mn.us 0 � www.ci.orono.mn.us Summer Office Hours: (Monday, May 23 through Friday,September 2,2016) Monday-Thursday: 7:30 am to 5 pm Friday: 7:30 am to 11:30 am OUR OFFICE W/LL BE CLOSED: Monday,September 5, 2016 From: Roger Peitso Sent:Thursday,August 11, 2016 3:57 PM To: Mike Johnsrud<mike@pcimidwest.org> Cc:Christine Mattson<CMattson@ci.orono.mn.us>;Jeremy Barnhart<jbarnhart@ci.orono.mn.us> Subject: RE: 135 Luce Line Ridge Mike, � I am the building Official for the City of Orono but I do not do zoning review so I will not be able to answer the zoning questions 1.,3.,and 4.. As far as the septic system I have some records of the location but I cannot guarantee their accuracy because the system was installed in 1987.There are other requirements for the septic system.There is a point of sale requirement in the City of Orono for the septic system, if found non-compliant it is to be replaced at that time of sale. I have copied the code section below. There is a requirement that no permits can be issued for any additions or additional structures constructed until there is a compliant septic system. I have also copied the code section for permits below.Our records show that your system is probably non-compliant and would require a Compliance Inspection at the point of sale to verify it's status. Until you have a Compliance Inspection completed you will not be able to know exactly where your system is. If the system is non- compliant you won't know the location of the new system until you have a designer find a buildable location for their design.Also,the system will need to be installed before you can do any additions to your house or additional buildings. I have coped this reply to Christine Mattson in Planning And Zoning to address your other questions. If you have any question for me please give me a call. Sincerely, z � City of Orono Roger Peitso Building Official City of Orono Phone:952-249-4600 Direct:952-249-4625 Email: rpeitso@ci.orono.mn.us Fax: 952-249-4616 �n�a �. � � �, �� ,�� Sec. 58-77.-Rrc��ri�t�nsa�st�nd�r+�s for;indi�ri��f�wage tt��tm�nt sy�t�r�ts. (a) No owner of a tract of land upon which a dwelling is located, or a tract of land upon which a structure which is required to have an individual sewage treatment system is located, shall sell or transfer to another party said tract of land, unless the following requirements are met: (1) The seller of any property having an individual sewage treatment system shall have a state licensed inspector or designer I complete the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency(MPCA)sewage system compliance inspection form for existing sewage systems in accordance with this article and Minnesota Rules chapter 7080. The exception would be a new septic system installed within the previous five years or a compliance inspection performed by a licensed inspector or designer I within the previous three years. (2) The seller must provide a copy of the completed sewage system disclosure form and the certificate of compliance or notice of non-compliance to any person who signs a purchase agreement. The disclosure form and certificate of compliance or notice of non-compliance inspection form must be provided to the buyer prior to signing the purchase agreement. (3) The licensed inspector or designer I must submit a copy of the certificate of compliance or notice of non- compliance to the city within 30 days of the date of inspection. (4) If the existing system is found to be out of compliance it must be brought into compliance prior to transfer of the proper#y. If the system is not brought into compliance prior to transfer, the seller shall provide the buyer sufficient security in the form of an escrow agreement to assure the installation of a complying ISTS. (5) If the seller fails to provide a certificate of compliance, the seller shall provide the buyer sufficient security in the form of an escrow agreement to assure the installation of a complying ISTS. (6) The security shall be placed in an escrow with a licensed real estate closer, licensed attorney-at-law or a federal or state chartered financial institution. The amount escrowed shall be equal to 150 percent of a written estimate to install a complying ISTS provided by a licensed and certified installer, or the amount shall be equal to 110 percent of the written contract price for the installation of a complying ISTS provided by a licensed and certified installer. After a complying ISTS has been installed and a certificate of compliance issued,the City of Orono shall provide the escrow agent a copy of the certificate of compliance. (Ord.No. 38 3rd series, § 3, 9-24-2007) Sec. 58-47.-�t�6i�l��p+�t"�ti��p�� ts. (a) New residence. No building permit shall be issued for any new building that will be connected to an ISTS until a site evaluation and design is approved by the on-site systems manager. The site evaluation must include the identification of both primary and alternate drainfield sites suitable for a minimum of a five-bedroom residence. If the building will be connected to an existing system, a site evaluation and design must be approved by the city, including the existing system specifications and a future site meeting the provisions of this article.A new residence must be connected to an ISTS meeting the definition of a code system. 3 • (b) Required upgrade or replacement A sewage treatment system not meeting the requirements of Minnesota Rules ' Chapter 7080, as amended, or the requirements of this article, whichever is more restrictive, must be upgraded, at a minimum, at any time a building permit is required for any improvements on, or use of, the property, subject to the following: (1) Any such system for which the city has previously issued orders requiring upgrade or replacement of the system by December 31, 2007, shall not be subject to this requirement until January 1, 2008. (2) Any such system for which the city has previously issued orders requiring upgrade or replacement of the system by December 31, 2010, shall not be subject to this requirement until January 1, 2011. (3) Regardless whether previous upgrade or replacement orders have been issued, this upgrade or replacement requirement shall not apply when said building permit is for regular maintenance or upkeep including but not limited to replacement of inechanical equipment such as air conditioning, furnaces, water heaters, or water softeners, or for re-roofing, re-siding or window replacement. (c) Construction of additional bedrooms or construction including water-using appliances that will increase the sewage flow into an ISTS. A building permit shall not be issued until the city confirms that the existing ISTS is compliant and of adequate size to treat the sewage flow from the building and that a future drainfield site is designed and preserved. If the existing ISTS must be repaired or replaced, an ISTS design for both the existing ISTS and a future drainfield site must be approved before issuing a building permit. If expansion or replacement of the ISTS is required, the ISTS must be installed and inspected before a certificate of occupancy shatl be issued for the construction. Failure to identify satisfactory drainfield sites for the proposed sewage flow for use now as well as a future site shall result in the denial of the building permit application. (d) Expansion of an existing building, including decks and patios; construction of an accessory building, driveway or land alteration. A future drainfield site must be designed and presenred prior to the issuance of a building permit for any expansion of an existing building, construction to an accessory building or driveway or land alteration on a property using an ISTS. A building permit will not be issued when the proposed work would preclude the use of the only future drainfield site approved by the city. (Code 1984, § 12.30(4)(F); Ord.No. 100 2nd series, § 4, 2-10-1992; Ord. No. 147 2nd series, § 8, 5-13-1996; Ord. No. 199 2nd series, § 1(12.30(4)(F)), 5-8-2000; Ord.No. 38 3rd series, § l, 9-24-2007) From: Mike Johnsrud [mailto:mike@pcimidwest.or�] Sent:Thursday,August 11,2016 12:41 PM To: Roger Peitso<rpeitso@ci.orono.mn.us> Subject: 135 Luce Line Ridge Roger, I left you a voice message earlier. I am looking at purchasing 135 Luce Line Ridge in Orono. I would like to initially discuss putting up an accessory building. I have downloaded the application packet but I have some questions about your process. My initial questions are: 1. The lot is 2.68 acres. I wouldn't be building more than a 1200 sq. f�footprint. I believe the properly is a PRD. Can you please tell me what the setbacks would be? 2. Would you have exact placement/specifications on the existing septic system? If yes, would these available to me? a. Initially I would like to place the structure on the north/northwest corner of the existing driveway. 3. I've read that accessory buildings cannot be placed closer to the street than the house. This, along with whatever the side and rear setbacks are, may be difficult to do in that location. I want to hold to that; however, I do not know what the setbacks are. Would it possible/feasible to obtain a variance if it is necessary? 4 • a. I would be mirroring the aesthetics (cedar, brick, angles, etc.) of the house on this new � � structure b. I would be trying to retain the trees and vegetation of where I believe the septic drain field is currently 4. Would it be possible to meet someone from your office out at the properly? a. We are having our inspection next Tuesday, August 16. b. If that day doesn't work, I can make it when it's convenient for you. If you'd prefer to call, please call my cell 612-760-6101 Regards, J�� Mike 7ohnsrud Ph.D.,P.E. President/ CEO/ Executive Director PCI Midwest mike pcimidwest.org 952.806.9997 phone 952.806.9998 fax 612.760.6101 cell ��r%�i �c��. �.�� <�.� ��p�� __ __ _ ____- Discover H��h Perfarrm�nce Pre�ast Versatile ! Ef�ient [ Resilient 5 , • . � O� O O CI'TY OF ORONO � � Municipal Offices v� �, Street Address Ma�liag Address: �� G'�' 2750 Kelley Parkway P.O.Box 66 �i Orono,MN 55356 Crystal Bay,MN 55323-0066 �ESH�4 To: The Current Owner of Address 135 LUCE LINE RIDGE City Ordinance requires that onsite sewage treatment systems in Orono be inspected on a periodic basis. The onsite sewage treatment system at the above address has been inspected and the following is known about the system. A sketch of the known components of the system is available for most properties at the Orono City Hall. Imminent Public Heal •Threat Yes No If yes, please contact the Onsite Systems Manager at 954-249-4626 within 10 days of receipt of this notice. The septic system must be brought into compliance within 90 days. Failure to do so will result in referral to the City Attorney for legal action. System Identified as n-Compliant Yes No If yes, system must be brought into compliance by: December 31, 2007 December 31, 2010 Other Septic Tank(s) Pump out Needed Yes �No The city recommends the septic tank(s) and/or lift tank be serviced and pumped out every three (3) years. City records indicate the tank(s)were last pumped out on �nD� The tank(s) should be cleaned through the manhole and not through the inspection pipes, this allows for proper cleaning. Comments: Inspecto��[��_� 'r' Date of Inspection: � �� w �i.s�.Jf�,. Telephone (952) 249-4600 • Fax�952) 249-4616 ararw.ci.orono.mn.us � . . .;;;' i`o�•.`+. ,�% � � �\\. ij � / o ,.. O,`\\i ( �=�� _. 1�, CITY of UltUNO II i�3)�� •.:f. /„' ; � )y S � !;f...,Z-- ;� .l � �'' tir ; ` � �C,, Municipal Offices ''`,`�,�,',� �- l ��,�',,: i`, , �` � ,' Street Address: Mailing Address: '�'l�E s�p'4�� ; , 2750 Keliey Parkway P.O. Box 66 .._____ Orono, M N 5 5 3 5 6 C ry st al B a y, M N 5 5 3 2 3•0 0 6 6 To: The Current Owner of Address �3� L� �� •r�� City Ordinance requires that onsite sewage treatment systems in Orono be inspected on a periodic basis. The onsite sewage treatment system at the above address has been inspected and the following is known about the system. A sketch of the known components of the system is available for most properties at the Orono City Hall. Imminent Public Health Threat Yes No If yes, please contact the Onsite Systems Manager at 952-249-4626 within 10 days of receipt of this notice. The septic system must be brought into compliance within 90 days. Failure to do so will result in referral to the City Attorney for legal action. System Identified as Non-Cornpliant Yes �No If yes, system must be brought into compliance by: December 31,2007 December 31,2010 Other ' Septic Tank�ump out Needed Yes � No The City recommends the septic tank(s) and/or lift tank be serviced and pumped out every three years. City records indicate the tank(s) were last pumped out on t,� .( �r�q . The tank(s) should be cleaned through the manhole and not through the inspection pipes,this allows for proper cleaning. Comments: � Inspect . Date of Inspection � rd S Telephone(952)249-46Q0 � FaY(952)249-461fi www.ci.orono.mn.us � �� ,.�L.�L �l� r L� /`I dQ�j �J � � � T r+�+ sa'c. 2�, . c� SS'�0 24�' TZm� 60' 30' � o�-- �S'� 3�'(p ��°`�'i�� P3 � �:�'�, 3q' � 2 7S' ya� i , �°9�, 3 $3' S-�, � t � �' Y ��'G c�c�' � ` � . � �� c� \ + ' ' +�y C � :�� el( as'� 26�0 C _ ` r \ � L .� � � v.,�'� } � I ► - i � � _---� �� - �� R I1�C� -� � - �ec, 6, 2007 10;25AM MESA HOLDINGS 952 941 8690 No. 1755 P, 1 December 5,2007 Willie Cribbs R.S. SSTS Manager Ci�y of�rono Fax Number(952)249-4616 Mr. Gibbs, 'QVe phoned you last�veel��with some questions about the letter we received from you dated November 19,2007 addresscd.t� Onsite Septic System O�tmers.Howerrer,our phone call has not been returned so�ve are sending this fax in hopes of securing some answers. Our questions are as follows: 1.Ho�r do we lcno�ev'�w'hether our system is compliant . least tell us whEre we need to go to get this ansr�v . Our address is 135 Luce Line�idge,Maple Plain, MN 55359 2.Tf our system is in the non-compliant category,�ve b,ave the following questions: a. Do you ha�re any idea of�hat it typicall�'costs to bring a system into compliance?('aV'e are not looking for any specific answer but cuaently have no idea of�rhat this'vv'ould cost.) b.Ys there any fum locall�that does thi.s iype of upgrade?Is so,who are they? c.We are cuirendy getting estimates from contractors to fiaish uur basem.ent this'winter,r�vhich will obviousl�require a building pemiit. Do we ne�d to have our septic system upgraded before , this perm�t will bo issued?Yf so, can these systems be up�aded in�crinter? 'You can respond to this fa�c by sending a�to Mickey Anderson at 952-941-8690 or by e-mail at dande�so�fro,�t�emet.net, or by lettcr to the address listed above. Thank you in advance for�our help. barre an�.Mickey Anderson � ' ' Page 1 of 1 Willie Gibbs �J tJ�� C� From: Willie Gibbs Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:07 PM To: 'danderso7@frontiemet.neY Dear Mr. & Mrs. Anderson: The city does not show your current system as being non-compliant. There is currently no need for you to do anything. You mention a possible building permit to finish the basement? If this will involve the addition or creation of bedrooms or adding to the water use capacity then the existing system may need to be certifled and or expanded to accommodate the new house configuration. The main point of the letter was to introduce the residents to the fact that a new ordinance has been passed that requires all properly owners with a septic system to have a compliance inspection done at the time of sale and if the existing system is not up to code then is needs to be brought up to code. If you have any further questions please email. Sincerely, Wiltie Gibbs 12/6/2007 Mike Gaffron From: Mike Gaffron Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:04 AM To: 'Andy Johnsrud' Cc: Roger Peitso Subject: RE: 135 Luce Line ridge Attachments: 135 Luce Line Ridge -Original Septic Design Excerpts 1986.pdf Andy— The existing trench drainfield system is very likely not compliant with current requirements for separation from the seasonally saturated soils. This would have to be verified by soil borings on site by a certified ISTS designer. You should probably plan on not being able to re-use the existing drainfield, and we would expect new testing and design work to confirm that primary and alternate sites are available in order for a building permit to be issued. The attached information from 30 years ago suggests the system was designed for a 3-bedroom house,today we require designs for 5 bedrooms. It's not apparent from our records whether an alternate site still exists. For additional discussion on this topic I would encourage you to contact Orono Building Official Roger Peitso (copied on this email)at 952-249-4625. Mike Michael P.Gaffron Senior Planner City of Orono (Street Address)2750 Kelley Parkway (Mailing Address)P.O. Box 66,Crystal Bay,MN 55323 Phone:(952)249-4622 Fax: (952)249-4616 From:Andy Johnsrud [mailto:andyjohnsrud@lecybros.com] Sent:Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:34 PM To: Mike Gaffron<MGaffron@ci.orono.mn.us>; Paul Weld <paulweld@lecybros.com> Subject: Re: 135 Luce Line ridge Mike Thanks for the information! If we build a new home on the this property what are our options for the septic system. Is there an alternate site you have on record? Would we ever be able to reuse the existing drainage field? I just want to make sure the site is build able. Thanks! Andy Sent from Outlook From: Paul Weld <paulweld@lecybros.com> Sent:Tuesday, November 17, 2015 3:10 PM Subject: 135 Luce Line ridge To: <m�affron@ci.orono.mn.us> Cc: Andy Johnsrud <andviohnsrud@lecvbros.com> i Mike,you and I talked this morning about the property at 135 Luce Line Ridge Lot 5 Is there a plan that shows where the septic service is located and how far from the house? The same example for where the well might be Let me know if it something I should come in for, someone I could call, or if it is possible; e-mail back to me Thank-you very much for all of your help! ��f''C'� �/.JXC�;i. < l lumcs F It�muclelici� Paul Weld Lecy Bros. Homes& Remodeling 15012 Hi�hwav 7 Minnetonka, MN 55345 612-300-1250 paulweld@lecvbros.com z �. , . �sp . C� �y � � .� I CITY 02' OROiJO SEPTIC SYSTE'S APPROV�IL LOCATION I �� (/r'r � r I l t- ��Y�/,F` — � GENERAL CONTRACTOR ��P�U��L- ,�-�^rr r = __ y7G." ��1 SEPTIC CONTRACTOR . OS4NER A'::,P; t�� ,t;,, . 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