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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR ORONO COUNCIL MEETING HELD MAY 28, 1985. PAGE 1
ATTENDANCE 7:05 PM The Orono Council met on the above date with the following
members present: Acting Mayor Frahm, Councilmembers Lynn
, Adams and Tim Adams. Mayor Butler and Councilmember Grabek
were absent. The following represented the City staff :
City Administrator Bernhardson, Building & Zoning
Administrator Mabusth, Public Works Coordinator
Gerhardson, Police Chief Kilbo, Assistant Zoning
Administrator Gaffron, and Recorder Sutton. City Attorney
Radio and City Engineer Cook were also present.
CONSENT AGENDA* Councilmember L. Adams moved, Councilmember T. Adams
seconded, to approve the Consent Agenda* as submitted, with
all staff reports concerning these items to be attached to an
original copy of these minutes on file at the City Clerk' s
office. Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
CITIZEN COMMENDATIONS
RESOLiJTION #17 6 3
RESOLUTION #1764
RESOLUTION #1765
RESOLUTION #1766 Arthur Priez was present. Police Chief Kilbo was present.
City Administrator Bernhardson presented Resolution #1764 ,
to Arthur Priez commending his participation in the
apprehension of a burglar.
James Rick arrived later in the meeting at 7 : 25 p.m. City
Administrator Bernhardson presented Resolution #1763 , to
James Rick commending his participation in the apprehension
of a burglar.
City Administrator Bernhardson noted that Frank and Barb
Peterson will not be present tonight to receive their
resolutions of commendation and the City will mail their
resolutions to them.
Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember L. Adams seconded,
to approve Resolution #1763, A Resolution commending James
Rick in his participation in the apprehension of a burglar.
Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember L. Adams seconded,
to approve Resolution #1764 , A Resolution commending Arthur
Piresz, Jr. , in his participation in the apprehension of a
burglar. Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember L. Adams seconded,
to approve Resolution #1765 , A Resolution commending Frank
Peterson in his participation in the apprehension of a
burglar. Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember L. Adams seconded,
to approve Resolution #1766 , A Resolution commending Barb
Peterson in her participation in the apprehension of a
burglar. Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES* �
Councilmember L. Adams moved, Councilmember T. Adams
seconded, to approve the regular Council minutes of May 13 ,
1985 as submitted: Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
PARR COMMISSION COMMENTS
There were no Park Commission comments.
LARE MINNETONRA CONSERVATION _
DISTRICT REPORT Representative Jo Ellen Hurrwaspresent. Hurr informed the
Council that a lake inspection tour is scheduled for August
3, 1985 , at 11 a.m. Hurr stated that the LMCD is evaluating
deicing proceduresformarinas. Hurr reported that the LMCD
is evaluating the storage of boats on the lake. Hurr
explained that there are 3 full-time water patrol officers
and 20 volunteers. Hurr stated that the DWI law was adopted
by the LMCD but noted that the water patrol cannot require a
person to take the DWI test if the boat is not moving and that
the only time a DWI ticket can be issued is if the boat is
actually moving. Hurr noted that as requested by the
Council, she contacted Chaska Marina and has set up two
appointments with Chaska and that they have cancelled both
times.
Acting Mayor Frahm felt that there should be more water
patrol people patrolling the lake. Frahm asked for a
response from the LMCD regarding the lobbying against the DNR
if they propose more public accesses to the lake, Frahm felt
that the DNR should fund the extra water patrol people that
will be needed.
PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS
There were no Planning Commission comments .
PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no comments from the public present.
#911 TIMOTHY SCHOEN
41 WILLOW DRIVE NORTH
VARIANCE
RESOLUTION #1767
PUBLIC HEARING
7 :41 - 7 :50 PM
Acting Mayor Frahm called for the public hearing at 7 : 41 p.m.
concerning Tim Schoen' s variance application to construct a
new home. Building & Zoning Administrator Mabusth noted the
certificate of mailing and the affidavit of publication.
Tim Schoen was present. Bill Wear of 36 Hackberry Hill was
present for this public hearing.
Bill Wear of 36 Hackberry Hill noted that he owns the property
west of this property. Wear noted that there is a fence
across the back of his property but that the fence does not
denote the exact property line. Wear explained there there
have been drainage problems in this area. Wear stated that
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years ago he came before the Council to get permission to
install a tile from Watertown Road to Hackberry Park. Wear
noted that he used to own the lots in this area and subdivided
� them. Wear stated that a drainage problem was created and
that the subject lot being discussed tonight used to be the
low lot in the subdivision and at one time had cattails in it.
Wear explained that he sold the lot that the home they used to
live in and built the home they live in now, he had to dig 2 1/2
feet of dirt to make his lot lower than the surrounding lots .
Wear noted that the sbil was a gray sandy loam and contained
water. Wear stated that he tiled from his home out around
the south, east, and north boundary lines and a couple of
years later the subject lot with cattails on it dried up and
became a likely spot for a vegetable garden. Wear stated
that it is the only way the water can flow across his lot.
Wear asked that the City assure him that the grade on 41 Willow
Drive be kept the same and not create any retaining ponds to
keep the drainage onto his property.� Wear stated that is has
been brought to his attention that the City of Orono held this
hearing to expedite things and that the City was only
interested in Schoen' s $150 fee for the variance
application. Wear asked that the City consider refunding
the applicant ' s money because the City issued the building
permit before the public hearing.
Building & Zoning Administrator Mabusth explained that the
Council was polled on this variance application and that in
order to allow the construction to be expedited the
application was brought before the Council.
Acting Mayor Frahm closed the public hearing at 7 : 50 p.m.
Councilmember L. Adams moved, Councilmember T. Adams
seconded, to adopt Resolution #1767 , A Resolution Approving
a Variance to allow construction of a new residence.
Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
#876 RANDY ASPLUND
3424-3444 EASTLARE STREET
VARIANCE
RESOLUTZON #1768 Randy Asplund was present. Assistant Zoning Administrator
Gaffron explained that staff drafted a resolution of denial
per Councildirective. Gaffronstated that the applicantis
now requesting a screened-in porch and that would probably
require tradeoffs in hardcover.
Acting Mayor Frahm felt that the applicant is requesting too
many significant changes that the application should be
referred back to the Planning Commission. Frahm noted that
the City has never approved detached floating slab decks
within the 0-75 ' setback zone before.
Randy Asplund explained that he has sold one of the homes and
that the owners would �ike an answer regarding the patios as
soon as possible. Asplund agreed to remove the patios but
would like to know what to do with it after the patios are
removed.
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Acting Mayor Frahm advised Asplund that after the patios are
removed, that the ground should be sodded.
Councilmember L. Adams noted that he has a problem approving
anything in the 0-75 ' setback area.
Councilmember L. Adams moved, Acting Mayor Frahm seconded,
to adopt Resolution #1768 , A Resolution denying variances
' for the fence and patio concrete request with a deadline date
for removal of patios for June 15 , 1985 , for 3424 Eastlake
Street and July 23 , 1985 , for 3444 Eastlake Street and the
request for deck platform and screened porch to be referred
to the Planning Commission for their review. Motion, Ayes
(2 ) , Nays (1 ) .
Councilmember T. Adams voted nay.
#897 CHUCR PETERSON
825 OLD LONG LARE ROAD
PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION
Chuck Peterson was present. Assistant Zoning Adminis-
trator Gaf fron stated that the surveyor reconf irmed the dry
buildable area that Council requested at the last meeting.
Gaffron confirmed that there is 2 . 0 acres of dry buildable
per lot in the area identified strictly as a seasonal
drainageway.
Councilmember T. Adams moved, Councilmember L. Adams
seconded, to approve the preliminary subdivision
application of Chuck Peterson. Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
#903 WARD FERRELL
3405 WATERTOWN ROAD
ZONING APPEAL Mr. and Mrs. Ward Ferrell were present. Assistant Zoning
Administrator Gaffron explained that the applicant was
brought in under a zoning appeal in order to save the
applicant some money. Gaffron explained that if the
applicant had applied for a variance that the application
would be more costly and with the Council ' s past precedents
the Council would probably have denied the application.
City Attorney Radio asked how much the full variance
application would have cost. Radio noted that by allowing
this applicant the appeals procedure the City is saving the
applicant money, but by handling this matter the City is not
treating this application as a variance and not using the
same standards. Radio noted that the decision reached
tonight does not presume that the same decision would be
reached on a formal variance application.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that the
variance application would be $150 , plus the applicant ' s
, expense for additional surveying work, plus the extra
� , expensefor septic testing for each lot. Gaffron estimated
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#903 FERRELL that the application could have cost the applicant $1 , 000
just to get denied. Gaf f ron noted that staf f f elt that the
applicant could get some general direction from the City
under the zoning appeals application process .
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron explained that the
Alden Anderson application is very similar to this Ferrell
application. Gaffron explained that the applicant owns
four adjacent tax parcels totaling 2. 90 acres. Gaffron
noted that the applicant wishes to obtain a building permit
for the 1 . 04 acre lot.
Ward Ferrell stated that he has owned the land since 1948 and
built the existing home in 1958 . Ferrell stated that he
bought and has saved this land with the intent to build his
retirement home. Ferrell stated that Herb Ross (former
Orono Mayor ) had requested him t� divide his property.
Ferrell stated that as a favor to Ross and the City and to stop
trouble in the future, he divided the property into four
parcels. Ferrell stated that then the zoning changed in
1967 and at the time the hearing was held regarding this
zoning change, he asked whether it would affect existing lots
and he was told no by the City. Ferrell noted that he is
willing a parcel of land for his daughter to build on.
Ferrell stated that in 1980 the Stubbs Bay Marina was divided
and the City allowed very small lots. Ferrell felt that he
should receive the same treatment that Stubbs Bay Marina had
� received.
Acting Mayor Frahm explained that the City agreed to smaller
lots in the Stubbs Bay Marina because the City felt that it
would be a less intense use on the property with residential
units rather than the intense use of the commercial marina.
Frahm stated that there were very extenuating circumstances
with the Stubbs Bay Marina and shouldn' t be used to compare
with this application since the circumstances were
significantly different.
Ward Ferrell asked if the City was going to honor what Herb
Ross requested. Ferrell stated that Ross told him to
contact George Hanson (former assessor for Orono) to see what
the lot sizes should be when he was subdividing the property.
Ferrell stated that Hanson told him 140 ' width for each lot.
Acting Mayor asked staff what the typical lot size is in the
neighborhood.
Ward Ferrell stated that the average lot size is one acre and
only one parcel is two acres.
Councilmember T. Adams asked how many units the applicant is
requesting out of a total of 2. 9 acres .
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron answered that the
applicant is requesting a total of three building sites (one
existing, one for the retirement home, one for his daughter ) .
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#903 FERRELL Zoning Administrator Mabusth noted that in 1967 the
standards changed when the zoning code was revised effecting
the applicant.
Acting Mayor Frahm explained that it is hard for the City to
honor a verbal opinion that was made in 1967 . Frahm felt to
be fair to the applicant that he would consider two building
sites, but certainly not three building sites .
Councilmember T. Adams stated that before deciding the
Council should see all relevant background information.
Councilmember L. Adams symphathized with this type of
problem when the owner purchases property and keeps it with
the intent in the future to build on the property only to have
the zoning code standards change. Adams stated that he
cannot see installing three septic tank systems on three
small lots since the septic tanks will be the permanent
system installed there. Adams noted conceptually that he
would consider two building sites only because of the problem
that the applicant owned the property with the intent to
build in the future only to have the zoning code standards
change. Adams noted that if it weren't for that reason he
would not even consider two building sites. Adams stated
that when the septic systems are placed too close together on
small lots such as these, there are potential problems with
ground water con�amination when these systems fail.
Acting Mayor Frahm expressed his concern that if the City
approved three lots that the City would create a density
pocket similar to the Crystal Bay neighborhood in which the
City would have to go back in the future to correct the problem
by sewering the area.
Ward Ferrell stated that his septic system is 28 years old and
has never had a problem with leakage. Ferrell pointed out
that he has paid taxes on the property as if they were
buildable lots since 1948 and now he cannot use the property.
Ferrell stated that up until two years ago they paid taxes on
the two vacant lots as if there were separate building sites .
Ferrell noted that two years ago the taxes were lowered from
$11,000 to $5,500. Ferrell explained that he has already
told his daughter that she can have the lot and he is not going
back on his word. Ferrell asked if the City was going to
honor what Herb Ross told him years ago.
Acting Mayor Frahm stated, in his opinion, no.
Mrs. Ferrell asked if the City was going to refund their taxes
that they have paid for buildable lots all these years.
City Administrator Bernhardsonstated thatshould a variance
be applied for that in the review it should be considered what
position the applicant would have been in if he had not
subdivided the property.
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#903 FERRELL Councilmember L. Adams gave his opinion should the applicant
apply for a variance, he would be willing to consider a total
of two lots. '
Councilmember L. Adams moved, Councilmember T. Adams
seconded, to af f irm the staf f '.s interpretation of the zoning
code. Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
�908 & #924 JON SCHERVEN '
2649 CASCO POINT RD
(�908 ) VARIANCE - RESOLUTION
(�924 ) CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT - RESOLUTION
Jon Scherven was present with his father A.W. Scherven.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that the
applicant proposes to build a two story addition over the
existing concrete slab and deck on the lake side of his
parents home. Gaffron noted that the applicant proposes
hardcover tradeoffs , and that the proposed deck does extend
into the 75 ' setback zone. Gaffron stated that the
conditional use permit is required because the applicant is
requesting to use the basement as a guest apartment for his
parentswho are retiring. Gaffron noted that applicant does
propose a kitchen in the basement but has agreed that the
second dwelling unit would never be rented out. Gaffron
noted the Planning Commission did approve the application
subject to the following regarding the guest apartment use:
1 ) apartment for use of family members only; 2 ) apartment use
may not be conveyed to a purchaser; 3 ) guest apartment may not
be rented out and such to be conf irmed by staf f yearly; 4 ) use
is subject to City review at end of four years .
Acting Mayor Frahm asked if a separate entrance is proposed
for the guest apartment use.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron noted that the main
entrance would be used, but that once inside the main
entrance, a door leading to the basement and a door leading to
the upstairs is proposed.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth explained that the Councildid
recently approve the Beck conditional use permit which is
similar to this application.
Councilmember L. Adams felt that the lot is really too small
to support another dwelling unit.
Jon Scherven explained that his parents have tried to sell
the home and have not been able to. Scherven stated that he
has offered to buy the home, remodel it, and then they would be
able to live in the basement. Scherven confirmed that he
will agree to any stipulations the Council wishes to place on
the guest apartment use.
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#908 & #924 SCHERVEN
Councilmember Frahm noted his concern for the future when the
Schervens move out and the future owner may try to rent out the
' apartment. Frahm noted it is hard for staff to police such a
use.
Jon Scherven responded that the neighborhood would probably
police itself.
Councilmember L. Adams suggested a compromise with one
kitchen.
Jon Scherven noted that one kitchen would be very
inconvenient for all living there.
City Attorney noted that the resolution could be written in a
manner in which the parents would have no vested rights.
Councilmember Frahm stated that the entrance to the home
should appear as any other single family residence. Frahm
stated that the two doors inside the main entrance should be
eliminated so that it does not seem that there are two
dwelling units . Frahm noted that he has a problem with the
deck extending into the 0-75 ' lakeshore setback zone.
Councilmember L. Adams suggested an alternate plan to give
the entrance a more open view and appear as one single family
residence.
Jon Scherven noted that with this plan it would not be very
energy efficient with one door in the winter time.
Councilmember L. Adams noted that the current proposal is a
potential duplex plan.
Council suggested tabling the application to allow the
applicant time to redesign his plan.
Jon Scherven explained that he is trying to sell his home in
Mound and has a purchaser ready to buy if this application is
approved. Scherven stated that he isn' t sure if the
purchaser will wait for two weeks for an answer.
Councilmember Frahm moved, Councilmember L. Adams seconded,
to conceptually approve the conditional use permit and
variance application but to table application until June 10 ,
1985, and further directs staff to redraft resolution and
applicant to redesign and submit his plan reflecting the
following:
1. Deck and steps to remain outside of the 0-75 ' setback
zone and not to extend beyond the side boundaries of the
home.
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2. Council will grant Conditional Use Permit for a guest
apartment use if applicant redesigns proposal to
eliminate doors and walls separating the basement and
upstairs to give the entrance an open appearance.
Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
#921 CHUCR VAN EECRHOUT
2135 SALEM COURT
VARIANCE
RESOLUTION Chuck Van Eeckhout was present. Assistant Zoning
Administrator Gaffron noted that Van Eeckhout seeks a
setback variance as a result of the new home being
incorrectly placed too close to the lot line. Gaffron noted
that either a lot line rearrangement or variance application
was needed.
Van Eeckhout noted that the proposed home next door wi 11 be
placed further from the lot line so as not to create crowding.
Van Eeckhout stated that he will retain an easement over Lot 3
in favor of Lot 4 .
Council suggested that staff incorporate this easement
requirement into the resolution.
Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember T. Adams seconded,
to conceptually approve variance application subject to
staff redrafting resolution to reflect the easement
condition as discussed. Notion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
Van Eeckhout asked if he could continue with the home until
the resolution is adopted.
Council agreed to let the builder continue on the home.
STATUS REPORT
3399 CRYSTAL BAY ROAD*
ON CONSENT AGENDA BUT
DISCUSSION WAS HELD
Jerry Wheeler and Sandra George of 3399 Crystal Bay Road were
present. City Administrator Bernhardson noted that this
item was on the consent agenda for Council ' s information but
noted that Jerry Wheeler was in the audience and asked
Wheeler if he would like to address the Council.
Jerry Wheeler stated that he would like to address the
Councilabout the complaint against him. Wheeler explained
that when he moved on the property he agreed to the variance
conditions in good faith with every intent on following
through with the condition to removing the hardcover.
Wheeler noted that he did remove half of the hardcover.
Wheeler noted that when they were installing the basement
problems began with flooding in the basement. Wheeler
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3399 CRYSTAL BAY claimed that the gravel hardcover helps alleviate the water
ROAD STATUS draining into his basement. Wheeler explained that he and
Sandra have spent more money than intended on the basement
and therefore haven' t been able to finish the project as soon
as they would have liked. Wheeler noted that at the time
they agreed to the variance conditions, they did not fully
understand exactly what hardcover was. Wheeler noted that
they did sod the entire yard when they moved in and eliminated
much of the runoff . Wheeler stated that they would like a
flat parking pad on his property where the remaining ,
' hardcover is because of the steepness of the grade. Wheeler
explained that the complaint against him defeats his
neighbors own complaint since Dick Carl was just requesting a
parking pad for him because of the steepness of the grade.
Wheeler noted that he has the same hardship with the
steepness of the grade and should be allowed to keep the
gravel hardcover for his parking pad. Wheeler stated that ,
both of his neighbors have put hardcover in between their
homes to keep the water out of their basements. Wheeler
stated that they willcomply with Council ' swishes. Wheeler
asked the Council what he should do.
Acting Mayor Frahm stated that Wheeler would have to apply
for a variance if he wishes to keep the parking pad. Frahm
noted Wheeler ' s other choice is to remove the hardcover and
comply with the previous variance conditions .
Jerry Wheeler stated that the City does have the option of
choosing which items that the City will request to apply for a
variance. Wheeler noted that for two years he asked the City
to respond to his complaint against his neighbor and the City
was very slow in responding, but his neighbor makes a
complaint against him and in two weeks the City is ready to
take action against him. Wheeler asked if his complaint
against his neighbor has been issued through the proper
channels.
Acting Mayor Frahm stated that the City will play by the book
and require the applicant to comply with the conditions of
the resolution or file for a variance.
Jerry Wheeler suggested that the Council not play by the book
and if Dick Carl feels he has a legitimate complaint against
him, then let Carl take him to civil court.
Councilmember L. Adams explained that regardless of Dick
Carl' s complaint this issue would have come before the City
Council because Wheeler and George are in violation of the
resolution they signed. Adams stated that he was on the
Planning Commission at the time this variance was granted and
that the Commission did a great deal of sole searching in
order to grant the 25 ' variance. Adams stated that
condition #3 in the resolution that was approved states
"seeding of gravel drive prior to final inspection by
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building inspector" and condition #4 states "the City will
3399 CRYSTAL BAY approve nofurther variancesfor thisproperty" . Adamsfelt
ROAD STATUS that the gravel drive on the west side of the house should be
removed prior tofinalinspection by the building inspector.
Councilmember T. Adams noted that the condition to remove the
gravel was a primary condition and reason for the Council ' s
approval.
Jerry Wheeler noted that the final inspection has not been
made yet because he has not quite finished the project.
Wheeler asked the Council if he feels that he has a legitimate
drainage problem and the gravel helps the problem can he not
apply for a variance.
City Attorney Radio noted that if an application was filed it
would be a variance application to the original variance that
was granted. -
Jerry Wheeler stated that if the City wants to stipulate that
the City will take the legal liability if his truck rolls down
the hill and kills someone or the liability for the water
damage done to his basement he would feel differently.
City Attorney Radio noted that these claims should have been
brought up at the hearing of the original variance
application.
Building & Zoning Administrator Mabusthstated that if there
are drainage problems, then we should find out what is
creating those problems. Mabusth advised that the burdenis
on the applicant to hire an engineer or whatever to determine
the problem and a solution to the drainage problem.
Council suggested Wheeler hire an engineer to make a
recommendation for the drainage problem. Council noted
that if Wheeler wishes the parking pad to stay that he must
apply for a variance or else comply with the original
condition of the resolution.
Councilmember L. Adams noted his feelings on the water
problem in the basement is that it is not going to be adversely
affected if Wheeler removes the gravel area and sods the
area. Adams stated that even with an engineer' s report
that claims the gravel area must stay to prevent water
damage, it will be very hard to allow the gravel area to stay.
Adams noted that the parking problem is dif f erent f rom the
others neighbors . Adams noted that Wheeler has a three or
four car garage and owns a bigger lot than most of his
surrounding neighbors. Adamsfound it difficult to believe
that the gravel slab is essential.
Jerry Wheeler stated that even with a triple car garage, he
has trouble in the winter time getting into the garage
because of the steep incline. Wheeler stated that he did add
gravel next to the house and it alleviated the water problem
in his basement.
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STATUS REPORT ON
2695 CASCO POINT ROAD*
Councilmember L. Adams moved, Councilmember T. Adams
seconded, to accept staff ' s status report on 2695 Casco Point
Road. Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
CITY ENGINEER'S REPORT
PLANS - OVERLAY ON
WILLOW DRZVE & OLD
CRYSTAL BAY ROAD City Engineer Cook reviewed with the Council the plans and '
specs for the Willow Drive and Old Crystal Bay Road overlay
project.
Acting Mayor Frahm reminded staff that the culverts on Willow
and Watertown Road should be fixed to solve one citizens
problem with traffic shaking the home.
Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember T. Adams seconded,
to approve the plans and specs for the Willow Drive and Old
Crystal Bay Road overlay project. Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays
(0 ) .
RELEASE FOR BIDS Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember T. Adams seconded, to
direct staff to release the project for bids . Motion, Ayes
(3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
CABLE TV REPORT There was no cable TV report.
TRANSPORTATION REPORT
There was no transportation report.
LIVINGSTON AVENUE
DRAINAGE PROBLEM* Councilmember L. Adams moved, Councilmember T. Adams
seconded, to accept the Livingston Avenue drainage problem
complaint and asked that staff investigate the matter.
Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
RESOLUTION #1769
RELEASE OF TAX FORFEIT
LAND FOR SALE City Administrator Bernhardson noted six parcels of land that
Koehnen wishes to repurchase together with his agreement to
combine those parcels.
Councilmember T. Adamsmoved, Councilmember Frahm seconded,
to approve Resolution #1769 , A Resolution Approving the
release of tax forfeit land for sale. Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays
(0 ) .
PETITION FOR STOP
SIGN AT CASCO POINT
ROAD & DUNWOODY Gail Nafus of 2580 Dunwoody Avenue was present. Nafus stated
that she circulated the petition already submitted to the
City and received many signatures of people in favor of a stop
sign at Casco Point Road and Dunwoody Avenue. Nafus
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, emphasized the dangerous condition at this intersection and
asked Council to consider ordering a stop sign to be located
there. Nafus also requested a "slow children" sign because
, of the dangerous situation with speeding cars and the
children in the neighborhood.
City Administrator Bernhardson noted that this was an issue
with the City in 1979 and the outcome was a reduction in the
speed limit of 30 to 25 in that area. Bernhardson stated
that the City needs to review the area and then come back to
Council with a recommendation. Bernhardson suggested that
Council just accept the petition tonight and staff will
submit a recommendation at the June 24 , 1985 , Council
meeting.
Gail Nafus asked that the City expedite their review of the
area and felt that one month was too long to wait. Nafus felt
that monitoring the traffic will n�t reveal anything new.
Councilmember L. Adams suggested holding a public hearing
regarding the issue.
City Administrator Bernhardson stated that staff will
schedule a public hearing for June 24 , 1985 regarding the
request from the petition.
PETITION NORTH SHORE
DRIVE - PARKING PROBLEM
Joe Bau of 3444 North Shore Drive, James Erler of 3448 North
Shore Drive, W.C. Odden of 3450 North Shore Drive, R. S.
Prochnon of 3440 North Shore Drive, and Dan Regan of 3410
North Shore Drive were present from the audience regarding
this petition.
City Administrator Bernhardsonstated thatthispetition was
received at the last Council meeting. Bernhardson stated
that the petition addressespedestrian and bicyclistsafety,
trespassing, and disturbing the peace. Bernhardson noted
that the City received a petition in 1982 to post no parking
signs but the request was denied by the City. Bernhardson
noted that the City is concerned with the elimination of 25
parking slots along the lake for vehicular and trailer
parking since the DNR requires 700 public parking spaces
around the lake and elimination of the 25 parking spaces
would require the City to allocate those 25 slots elsewhere.
The five gentlemen from North Shore Drive expressed their
concerns regarding .the pedestriansand bicyclist on the bike
path. They noted that they have constant problems with
trespassers onto their private propertiesand alsofisherman
who even f ish of f their docks . They stated that emergency
vehicles have had trouble getting through this area when the
parking lot and road slots are full as there was no area to
pull. off the travelled portions of road. The neighbors
noted that there have been many serious accidents in the area
and the area has a safety p�'oblem.
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City Administrator Bernhardson suggested delaying action on
the petition until staff can work with the DNR and Hennepin
County regarding the no parking signs. Bernhardson noted
that Hennepin County will not take any action unless the City
recommends something.
Acting Mayor Frahm explained to the neighbors that the DNR
. requires all cities to provide public access to the lake.
� Frahm stated that if the City fails to provide these public
accesses the DNR could condemn property for the access.
Frahm explained that staff needs to work with the DNR before
the City can take any action on this petition.
Councilmember L. Adams suggested that staff look into the
possibility of placing a public dock onto the North Arm
landing to eliminate the problem of the fishermen seeking out
private docks to do their fishing.
SENIOR CITIZEN SPECIAI,
ASSESSMENT DEFERMENT
City Administrator Bernhardson explained thatfive yearsago
the City of Orono adopted a resolution giving special
assessment deferment options to senior citizens.
Bernhardson stated that this is the fifth year of that
agreement and the Council must decide whether to make such a
program renewable. Bernhardson noted present county
guidelines and since those guildelines were last acted on in
1979 it should be appropriate .at this time to update those
guidelines.
Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember L. Adams seconded,
to make the special assessment deferment option renewable
for senior citizens for a five year period and to adopt
Hennepin County' s guidelines. Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
REQUEST FOR EXECUTIVE
SESSION City Administrator Bernhardson requested the Council enter
into executive session after the regular Council meeting has
adjourned. �
BOARD OF REVIEW
MAY 30, 1985 City Administrator Bernhardson reminded the Councilthat the
Board of Review meeting will be held on May 30 , 1985 , at 7 : 00
p.m. in the Art Center.
FENCE ON SHORELINE
DRIVE City Administrator Bernhardson stated that Hennepin County
is exploring the right of way issue with the fence.
Bernhardson noted a letter that Building & Zoning
Administrator Mabusth had written to George Rovegno at 2010
Shoreline Drive.
Art Tourangeau of 2060 Spates Avenue and Terry Morse of 2080
�' Spates Avenue were present. Tourangeau expressed his
concern with the fence location and his view of the lake.
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HENNEPIN COUNTY
VOTECH PROPERTY City Administrator Bernhardson explained that the VoTech
proposes a horse training facility in the City of Medina with
access onto Homestead Trail a Hennepin County Road.
Bernhardson stated that the VoTech might request hookups to
thesewer and water lines to Orono. Bernhardson stated that
it is his- understanding that if VoTech cannot get the
hookups, that they propose an on-site septic system.
Bernhardson stated that the proposalhas passed the Planning
Commission level in Medina and will be presented to the
Medina Councilnext Monday. Bernhardsonstated thatsome of
the surrounding residents are concerned with traffic and
potential pollution. Bernhardson askedfor direction from
Council about allocating potential sewer units for this use.
Councilmember T. Adams stated that it is hard to argue
against this type of land use since it seems logical to locate
a horse training facility there. Adams stated that the
residents are concerned with the ultimate level of the VoTech
facility and potential location of the whole VoTech
� facility.
Acting Mayor Frahm advised staff to allocate no units until
the study of Highway 12 is completed. Frahm noted that the
City will probably not allocate its own units for a Medina
project since Orono is limited in its own number of units .
City Engineer Cook stated that he had heard that VoTech
wanted to hookup to Orono' s lines but actually get the units
from the City of Long Lake.
City Administrator Bernhardson stated that Long Lake has
also asked Orono if they can hookup to the Orono section of the
lines for the Robb Motel project but allocate the units from
Long Lake. Bernhardson noted that he will bring this back
June 10, 1985 when he gets more information regarding this
project.
LOGIS OPEN HOUSE City Administrator Bernhardson reminded the Council of the
LOGIS open house to be held May 29 & 30 from 1-5 : 30 p.m.
RESOLUTION FOR DEFERRED
COMPENSATION City Administrator Bernhardson noted that at the last
Council meeting, Council passed a resolution for deferred
compensation and the agency came back and asked that another
form of the same resolution be adopted.
Acting Mayor Frahm moved, Councilmember T. Adams seconded,
to approve the changed form for the deferred compensation.
Motion, Ayes ( 3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
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BIG ISLAND UPDATE City Administrator Bernhardson stated that the leaislation
has passed and anticipatesthat the title will not pass until
August 15 . Bernhardson noted that staff has posted all the
buildings and sent notices to the State Commissioner of
Veterans Affairs that the buildings must be boarded up and
absent that, the City can do the work and can assess it against
the Department of VeteransAffairs. Bernhardson noted that
a meeting will be held Thursdaywith the Board of Governors to
show them exactly what must be done with each cabin.
Bernhardson stated that the Board of Governors will have to
tnen make a decision whether to correct the violations , tear
the buildings down, or sell. Bernhardson stated that they
must make public notice to any interested public agencies
that may be interested in buying. Bernhardson explained
that in order to expedite the corrections , the City will
start hazardous building procedures .
COUNCIL POLLS Councilmember L. Adams felt that nc more telephone Council
polls should be done by staff and felt that it was an improper
procedure and should not be used. Adams stated that this
procedure should be avoided.
City Attorney Radio agreed noting that at times it may be a
violation of the open meeting law.
CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
STATUS REPORT AT
130 CYGNET PLACE City Attorney Radio updated the Council that the property
still has not been cleaned up at 130 Cygnet Place and he is
proceeding with a criminal complaint.
LICENSES* Councilmember L. Adams moved, Councilmember T. Adams
seconded, to approve the following licenses :
Jimmies Lounge - Liquor License Renewal (on-sale )
Long Lake Chamber of Commerce - Special Events permit
Arnold Carlson - trapping permit
Westonka Sewer & Water - Septic System Installer License
Westonka Sanitation - Garbage Haulers License
Alan Penke - Solicitors Permit
Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
BILLS* Councilmember L. Adams moved, Councilmember T. Adams
seconded, that the All Funds Accounts and Liquor Store
Accounts be paid. Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays ( 0 ) .
ADJOURNMENT 10:30 PM
Councilmember L. Adamsmoved, Councilmember Frahm seconded,
/ to adjourn the regular Council meeting at 10 : 30 p.m. and
( enter into executive session. Motion, Ayes (3 ) , Nays (0 ) .
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D othy M. llin, ity Clerk Thoma M. Fr m, Acting Mayor