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Home My WebLink About03-26-1980 Public Information Meeting Minutes Sewers ~ l• CITY OF ORONO Public Information meeting of the Orono Council , 7: 00 P.M. - March 26 , 1980 The Orono Council met on the above date with the following members present: Mayor Van Nest and Councilmember Butler. Absent: Councilmembers Hurr, Massengale , and Paurus. Also present: City _ Administrator Benson, City Planner Olson, City Engineer Cook, and Public Works Coordinator Gerhardson. Mayor Van Nest entered the attached letters in ' NORTH SHORE DRIVE SEWER the Minutes: Letters - Pages 3-8 HEARING l. Edward J. Callahan, Jr. - March 11, 1980 2. Carol Callahan - March 25, 1980 3. Donald W. Gustafson - March 13 , 1980 4. C. Steven Wilson - March 20 , 1980 Mayor Van Nest discussed the proposed project commenting that it is up to you people to decide if you want municipal sewers in your area. We are here to document to you through our on-site disposal program, the condition of on-site systems in your area and the type of soils that are existing. The City will mail to each of you a questionnaire requesting your comments. We want to keep in mind that there are several factors that indicate to us through our investigations that tell us that on-site systems in your area are failing and again, there are poor soils, hi 'gh water tables, and lack of alternate sites to relocate existing septic systems. After receiving your questionnaire, the City will hold a public hearing, order the plans and specifications, hold an assessment hearing and award a contract, subject to a 30-day waiting period allowing ample time for individual appeal. If significant numbers appeal, the City will have the option to cancel the contract and not construct sewers in youur area. We have to keep in mind that the bonding market, at this time, is not functioning because of high interest rates and it might not be possible to fund the project. The City could attempt to fund the project and bond it later, but this would not be financially ' sound. Other state and federal funding programs are not available at this time. (Continued) � PUBLIC INFORMATION P�IEETING, MARCH 26 , 1980 Page 2 List of persons present: Cleyo Whalen - 2435 Scotch Pine Lane Albert Andrews, Jr. - 2625 North Shore Drive J. H. Eastman - 2565 North Shore Drive Ed Callahan - 2545 North Shore Drive Sam Marfield - 2455 Scotch Pine Lane G. F. Rovegno - 2010 Shoreline Drive Glenn Cook, City Engineer, discussed the project and with visual aid, explained layouts of the proposed municipal sewer extensions. Mr. Cook � explained that it appears that the average assessment would be $12 , 800 per home on the high side and $11, 000 per home on the low side, plus an average $1, 000 connection charge. These are � all estimates and are subject to change. Mayor Van Nest commented that the installation will create some inconvenience until restoration is complete. Our adopted MUSA line determines designated urban and rural areas. If this project is delayed, we will have to go back to the MWCC to request this area to be included in the 2�4USA. O�tions to installing municipal sweres are: l. Repair existing problem if possible 2. Reduce the project in size to include homes that only have sewer problems ' 3. Install holding tanks which are very expensive to maintain 4. Condemn properties if systems are a health hazard and cannot be repaired After all persons present had an opportunity to be heard, Mayor Van Nest closed the public information meeting at 8 : 10 P.M. William B, an Nest, ayor Attest: Z�../ Walter R Benson, City Administrator • . � C � �� C Page 3 GRAY, PLANT, MOOTY, MOOTY NNETT D . �,��R 12 �� +hAC1LD G.C/�NT�IBB7-If173) L.4W OFFICES PICHPqD /�.MOOAE,JP. n[np` K.�+LyERSTOCK11B9�'�97]) JaMES F.IANDE �_ S�E�'MEN J. SNYDC�+ rppNnlING. GAO� jOC% �OLNOKE EU�LDING /1'� JE<<REYJ. hEYES FFGNM v.'.PLLNT,JR, V OF pRpNp 6FVCE nPUGER �o�+� w. ^+oOTv MINNEAPOLIS, M�NNESOTA 554G2 �+ILL�<M t. ni�uOti N,EL�/�N F.MOOTY JOHN �.JFMES Rl.'SSELI M, [iENNE7T EIIZOBETH W. NORTON CI.INT ON A.SC H POEDEA T E L E.'�HO W E f612) 3?9-S 5 O� JO�'N Q.M SHANE ED""ARD J. C/+LLAMPN„1R. SVS/�N L.LENTZ JAM E: 5. S�N ONSON C�V iD R,nElLl' PI`.t+PRG N, �L�NT JO�+I�' E. 6ROM'ER � FLw�E LP t�. MERMLE MiCHPEL P. SUILiVAN T H G M A� D P R L I N G CUR?IS G. �ORSIVNC S�+ELDOr+ �. ��E.CN FICHhRD h. EOWMAN TH'�Jr.�pS J� PATIN 6aUC E C. G��'�Si tiG �ti.-.es a.vose C.�T E V E N W 1 L S O N 'D�ntiE NOLLERN J O H N �. C R O U C H TNUM.AS A. WILHELMV DnviD l. 6ENNETT � ..<viG . MOOTY EO�+Ir+ C. C h��'C NT ER EL�Z/�EETH M,SCHMIDT �iND�EY S. B vA��SON R�CtiAFiG A.HAGMETT J O M N W,T M I E� GEORGE w. 50UlE naOEL F �+.ULLEF .__ JEF�REY F. ERpOKE pGh'IEl A. �"ULM/�N (]o MICHOEL Fi. CUn'M1�NGHAN. March 11 � �7C.7o OF CO�NSEL F!a G A F W G.5 F L L:E N F C 5 E R T L. N E l L A N D Mr. Michael P. Gaffron City of Orono P .O. Box 66 Crystal Bay, MN . 55323 Dear Mr. Gaffron : I have the form letter from you of March 3, 1980 concerning the sewering of the North Shore Drive area. I had been hopeful that following the meeting of the homeowners the City Council would have felt that the general lack of enthusiasm displayed made a feasibility study a waste of money. However, I presume that my hopefulness was based more on laziness on my part than on reality since I did not bother to convey my thoughts to the City in writing following the meeting. Do not, however, feel bound to continue the study one moment longer on my account. For a larger number of reasons , I am not in favor of the proposal the City is studying. One of the reasons, at least, is that in your discussion at the meeting earlier this year I understood your conclusions to be that none of the 12 homeowners involved had "sewage treatment needs" which were not being adequately met at the present time or which you had any reason to believe would not be met in the foreseeable future by the present arrangments. So, even at a possible "less expense" , the opportunity to spend money for an unneeded item is not welcome. I do note from the flags and stakes placed on my property what is apparently the current route of the proposed project. Although one purpose of this letter is to express my opposition to the entire idea, I believe that i� would be desirable to have information concerning the feasibility and effects of running the sewer line along the road rather than on the interior route which you currently staked. Perhaps you could contact me or Nrs . Callahan (473-8149) and stop by some day soon to discuss this or other modified and alternate routes . The location of the present stakes is objectionable in any event. , Page 4 Mr . Michael Gaffron • Page Two March 11 , 1980 In closing, I do wish to say I hope your letter of March 3, 1980 is correct that the City has made no decision to force a sewer on us. But, I confess a certain feeling of pressure from tne steady onward and undeterred movement toward getting the sewer in. Very truly yours , ��' �,�� _ , -/ ��;�� c�r �, Edward J. Ca'1lahan, Jr. � EJC/ssw cc: Mr. Brad Van Nest , Page 5 f1'irs. Ed��ard J. Caliaiian, Ir. 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GL'ST�FSON -� �' � �` March 3 , 1980 811° EAST FOGiNILL LRIYE � SCOTTSD;.LE, :•�.��':�, �525� Dear Homeowner: Re: 2683 North Shore Drive In order to more effectively answer your questions and concerns regarding the costs , routing, and general feasibility of sewering the North Shore Drive-Scotch Pine Lane Area, the City Council has ordered the City Engineer to conduct a feasibility study of tne area. This step was taken now to coincide with the time schedule for a proposed sewer project in the Shoreline Drive-West Ferndale Area which, if approved, will be constructed in the Fall of 1980 . While the City certainly has made no decision to force sewer on you, if you were to opt for a sewer project it could likely be completed at less expense if bid as part of the Shoreline Drive-West Ferndale package. As part of the study, the City Engineer and his staff will be surveying and staking a possible route through your properties in the next few weeks . They will be open to your comments and suggestions as to the least disruptive practical routing. Please feel free to call me at any time if you have questions . Again realize that we are conducting this study as a fact-finding measure only. When the study is complete, we will meet with you and your neighbors to discuss the estimated costs, routing, assessment alternatives, hookup costs, etc. This study should give you a better handle on deciding how to best handle your sewage treatment needs. Sincerely, " �,� .�- f, o C � � D � � �� .�:�,,� _ D Michael P. Gaffron MAR 18 198Q On-Site Systems Manager 3� 3/ gc MPG:kh CITY OF ORONO � �a � O r t v.-- , n y /� r/- �e ,�� < < � ��O M �/I'C Li O ✓ S \ O �/v S I �-iC S ,!V v .1 o w � �/ 5� e� _ J�� .,.-� .fj��y a S 't �ro� -�+ J�_ v 5 � n^ y � / �- / / l /---i-� w � � � r G �'� c` Gr^.F C� �-± c .,. c c Q r� �� . � v /Y+ �M < � / il�S�i / 5 y�-�..-. 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P R T 1 N C.STEVEN WI�SON i11�� i � � JPMESR_VOSE JONN S.GRCIUCM rvJv` � DIANE ��OLLERN ..�V i D T. B E N N E T T T H O M q�P_W I L H E l M Y EON'�N C. C<.RPENiEA Dl+�/ID w_1+OOTY L�NDLEY 5. BRPNSON EL12GEfTH M.SCNMtOT JONN W,THIEL j.� (] f"� RiCHAR.".I..MACRETT NOEL P. rnULLEF MQrCll �O � �J HO C�� OF ORVNO GEORGE'�, SOULE JE�FPEV A. BRpOKE - DANIEL R. SMU�MAN �nICNAELR. CUNI:INi�HAM , O�Cev��[� nHDREw C.SELDErv �OBER� _.NELLeND Mayor Brad Van Ness City of Orono Post Office Box 66 Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323 Re: North Shore Drive Sewer Study Dear Brad: Our family will be out of town on Wednesday, r�arch 26, 1980 when a Public Information Meeting is scheduled with respect to the North Shore Drive Sewer Study, and I wanted to at least share with you and members of the council our position on the proposed project at this time. We would like to be on record as leaning against the project. Our objections at this point are the following: l. Cost - although we don ' t have actual figures, it a�pears that on a relative basis redoing our septic system would be far cheaper than sewer, and we do have adequate land for a septic system. 2. Tree protection - we understand that the preferable route would be through our woods and close to our house. i�e can see that an effort has been made in the staked route to avoid most of our trees, but we still have a number of questions. 3 . Inconvenience - we have lived through two sewer projects in Orono, one on Chevy Chase Drive in 1969-70 , and one on North Shore Drive last swtuner, and we have developed a def�nite aversion to sewer projects. • , Page 8 riayor Brad Van Ness March 20 , 1980 Paqe two 4 . Need - it is our unstibstantiated feeling that t�e � primary problem of the low-lying properties has been caused by the high water table created by the blocking or narrowing of tne French Lake culvert. The flooding seems to be much worse in the last several years . And it would ccrtainly be ct�eaper to provide adequate drainage than to sewer . I am sorry we cannot be at the hearing and would -apareciate it if minutes of the meeting could be sent to us with route alter- natives, cost estimates , timetables, etc . Thank you. Sincerely, -- - - �, C. Steven Wilson CSW/s . cc : lr. Michael P . Gaffron