HomeMy WebLinkAbout12-08-1997 Council MinutesORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 8, 1997
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The Council met on the above mentioned date with the following members present:
Mayor Gabriel Jabbour, Council Members J. Diann Goetten, Charles Kelley, Barbara
Peterson, and Richard Flint. Representing Staff were City Administrator Ron Moorse,
City Attorney Tom Barrett, Senior Planning Coordinator Michael Gaffron,
Planner /Zoning Administrator Elizabeth Van Zomeren, Public Services Director Greg
Gappa, City Engineer Tom Kellogg, Planning Intern Brad Bressler, and Recorder Sherry
Frost. Mayor Jabbour called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
( #1) LEVY ADOPTION HEARING -1998 TAX LEVY AND BUDGET
RESOLUTIONS NO. 4009, 4010.AND 4011
Moorse reported that the adoption of the levy and budget resolutions is the final action
required for the 1998 Budget and Tax Levy. The tax levy is proposed to increase 2.94 %.
Moorse said the budget reflects the City's efforts to maintain current service levels and
meet long term infrastructure needs.
Jabbour said the resolutions are the result of several meetings held regarding the budget.
Kelley moved, Goetten seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4009 adopting the final 1997
Tax Levy Collectible in 1998 in the amount of $2,225.130. Vote: Ayes 4, Nays 0.
Goetten moved, Kelley seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4010 adopting the 1998
General Fund Budget in the amount of $3,638.095. Vote: Ayes 4, Nays 0.
Jabbour moved, Peterson seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4011 adopting the 1998
Special Revenue Funds Budgets in the amounts of $90,000 for Parks, $126,400 for
Improvement and Equipment Outlay, and $623,675 for Building Cap Outlay. Vote:
Ayes 4, Nays 0.
(Flint arrived at this time.)
( * #2) CONSENT AGENDA
Items #8, 11, 13, 14, 19, 22, 25, and 28 were added to the Consent Agenda.
Item #4 was removed from the Consent Agenda.
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve the Consent Agenda as amended. Vote:
Ayes 5, Nays 0.
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES
( * #3) REGULAR MEETING OF NOVEMBER 24,1997
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve the Minutes of the Regular City Council
Meeting of November 24, 1997. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #4) TRUTH IN TAXATION MEETING OF DECEMBER 3, 1997
Moorse indicated that the minutes have been revised to include information regarding
the budget.
Kelley moved, Goetten seconded, to approve the Minutes of the Truth in Taxation
Meeting of December 3, 1997 as amended. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
PARK COMMISSION COMMENTS
Appreciation was extended to White on his work on the Park Commission and his
willingness to serve another term.
White reported on the issues before the Park Commission including long and short term
goal setting, long term funding, and park improvements. White said a report is
forthcoming on the Park Commission's mission statement, funding sources, parks, and
rinks. He indicated they are making progress in these endeavors.
Jabbour informed White that he has met with Hennepin Parks, and the meeting was very
productive.
PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS
No member of the Planning Commission was in attendance.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
There were no public comments.
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
( #5) #2264 JANET KIERNAN,1491 SHORELINE DRIVE - VARIANCE -
REQUEST FOR DIRECTION
The applicant was present, along with architect, Alan Christy, contractor, Joe Dzurik,
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S( #5 - #2264 Janet Kiernan - Continued)
Gaffron reported that the applicant was granted variances in August, 1997, for
remodeling of her residence with the findings that 40% of the existing house would
remain, resulting in 20% of final product being the existing house. Since that time, it
has been determined that only a few pieces of original foundation remain and none of the
superstructure. Work was stopped by Staff for Council direction regarding whether
reconsideration should occur of application since lakeshore and side setback variances
are typically not allowed for new construction. Gaffron said there is the opportunity at
this time to have the property become more conforming as it appears to be a total
reconstruction.
Gaffron reviewed the plan noting the location of the three remaining pieces of
foundation. Photographs were distributed showing the current property condition. He
noted that the problem created is that too little remains of the foundation to consider the
project a remodel. Gaffron asked Council for direction whether the applicant should be
allowed to continue under the building permit and variances granted, or whether the
house should be moved to meet side and lakeshore setbacks, or reviewed again by
Planning Commission. Gaffron said the Council's first step should be to formally
conclude whether the project is new construction or a remodel.
Jabbour asked if Staff feels the project has gone beyond the 40% threshold as noted in
the conditions of the resolution. Gaffron said he believes it has gone beyond that
threshold.
Christy said he understood that all are familiar with the history of the property. He
noted the applicant has tried to stay within the parameters of the resolution and building
permit dated 11/20/97. He said the building inspector was contacted throughout all
steps. There was no attempt to do anything that was not intended. Christy said the
building inspector requested the additional building demolition without considering
whether this was right or wrong under the conditions of the resolution. He said the last
direction given by the inspector was removal of the frost footings which were deemed
inadequate. Christy said conditions were found that were not originally anticipated, but
the plans are the same as far as location and structure and all facts presented. He said the
only variation is to site conditions and directions of the building inspector resulting in
less of original building remaining. Based on that, Christy would like to see the project
continue.
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( #5 - #2264 Janet Kiernan - Continued)
Jabbour said the Council is familiar with the site and that the applicant has diligently
worked with the City. He noted, when Council had previously discussed the application,
that Council Member Kelley had felt the footings should be inspected and certified prior
to consideration of the variance application to determine their condition. Jabbour had
thought it would be a burden to the applicant to have to determine the soundness of the
foundation. Based on that information, the resolution approving the variances was
adopted. Jabbour said that technically, the construction is now starting from scratch as a
vacant parcel and could not be allowed lower standards than required of new
construction.
Christy said he understood that what is remaining is as it is but it is due primarily
because of directives from the building inspector. He said it seems that this furthers the
hardship for the applicant as all of the plans to save portions of the existing building
proved futile.
Jabbour said the building inspector is responsible to adhere to universal building codes
and the two are not mutually exclusive.
Christy asked what alternatives could be explored.
Kelley said he agreed with Jabbour that with the finding of bad soils or bad foundation,
the applicant should be required to adhere to zoning code ordinance.
Kiernan said the occurrences happened over 5 -6 steps where the building inspector came
out to the site and contractor was told of the situation and had asked what should be
done. She questioned why it was allowed to get to this point where the framing and
footings are in and not determined in earlier steps.
Gaffron recharacterized what he thought took place. He said he understood the building
contractor asked the inspector to come out and look at questionable areas and was told
they should be removed. This occurred without zoning staff involvement. Gaffron said
he visited the site last month where he felt the structural removals were at the point
where he was barely comfortable that it conformed with the conditions of the resolution,
but the project got to the point of needing additional removals putting it out of zoning
conformity.
Jabbour asked if the building inspector was aware of the 40% structure remaining
criteria. Gaffron said he was. He said it was a question of wearing a zoning hat versus a
building inspector hat. He said he told the building official last Thursday, 12/4/97, that
the work had to be stopped as it was past the point of meeting the findings and
conditions of the resolution.
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• ( #5 - 42264 Janet Kiernan - Continued)
Kelley asked if the contractor knew of the situation. The contractor said he did. Dzurik
said when he spoke with the building inspector about the framing, noting he had to raise
the foundation two courses and suspend the structure in mid -air, he saw that only 5% of
existing foundation could be incorporated into the blueprint, the role of common sense
took over.
Kelley asked if the applicant was informed when the project got to the point where over
40% of the structure was removed. Dzurik said he assumed the building officials knew
of the 40% requirement and should have informed him that no more could be removed.
Jabbour felt the project went one step beyond where it should have with the framing. He
said when the applicant made application, she was told the variances would be given but
should hire a structural engineer to certify soundness of the foundation. Jabbour said he
had thought this would result in undue hardship so the applicant was granted variances
provided 40% of the existing structure could be saved. Jabbour said the applicant chose
to go forward and found out that 40% of the structure could not be saved.
Dzurik said he was told to remove more of the structure by the building inspector. He
said the structure could have been underpinned. Dzurik said he asked the building
inspector if the removals would cause the project to be stopped and was told absolutely
not and told him to take additional structure down. Dzurik felt this did not make sense.
Flint said he agrees with Jabbour and Kelley that the project was new construction.
Peterson agreed.
Kiernan said she feels caught in the middle. She said she informed Dzurik not to do
anything without talking to the City. She noted the project has cost alot and this will
bear additional cost burdens.
Jabbour noted the possibility of having to go through the entire process again. He noted
that the applicant did not have a house that could be added onto. He cited another
example of a similar situation.
Kiernan felt there were ways to have worked with the materials, such as underpinning,
and it was the inspector's opinion to remove further structure. She noted there was a
structural engineer on the job.
Jabbour said the building inspector could come to the next meeting to answer questions
but feels the project has gone beyond the parameters of the resolution.
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( #5 - #2264 Janet Kiernan - Continued)
Gaffron said there is no question that the building inspector approved all of the steps
taken and approved them because from a building code standpoint, the substandard
portions could not be part of the new house. He said the project possibly could have
been stopped earlier.
Dzurik asked if it has any bearing that he had asked the inspector whether the removals
would cause any problems and was told it would not.
City Attorney Barrett said he is comfortable with telling the Council that they can
enforce the conditions of the resolution as far as the building code has to be protected.
As a question of law, the City has the right to enforce the findings.
Jabbour asked Council for direction.
Goetten noted the unfortunate situation. She said she is generally steadfast in such
situations. Goetten said the applicant was put on notice when she applied for the
variance that she had to comply with conditions of the resolution. She understood the
applicant has been above board with the City but does not believe there is a win -win
situation. Goetten felt the application should be reviewed again by the Planning
Commission and the structure pulled back behind the 75' setback line.
Jabbour asked Gaffron to show the site plan and the 75' setback Iine and house location.
Kelley clarified that there were two variances required plus hardcover. Gaffron said the
project is over the 25% hardcover allowed. Parts of the structure, terrace, and steps are
located in the 0 -75' setback. There is also need for an average lakeshore setback
variance but that is not an issue.
Jabbour asked if the structure could be moved to the north. Gaffron noted the location of
trees to the north. Tom Kellogg said the sewer line comes in from the driveway,
showing the location in the northwest corner, so this would not impact any construction.
Dzurik informed Kiernan that her sewer line was in place.
Gaffron asked if any construction under the current approval would be allowed in the 0-
75' setback. Goetten asked how far into the 0 -75' setback any construction occurs.
Gaffron said it was 6 -8'. Jabbour asked if Council would support the plan if the structure
was pulled out of the 0 -75' zone. Kelley suggested he would support the structure if
pulled back behind the 75' setback and to the north to meet the side setback requirement.
Goetten said she was concerned more with the 0 -75' setback.
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• ( #5 - #2264 Janet Kiernan - Continued)
Jabbour noted that it is not the Council's intent to design the home but were trying to
determine the issues of concern. He said the majority of the Council feels the resolution
could be amended if the structure was relocated out of the 75' setback or the portion
eliminated in the 0 -75' setback. Kiernan asked if this included the terrace and stairs.
Jabbour said the terrace would have to be located out of the 0 -75', but the stairs could
remain. He noted the house was only allowed to remain where it was located due to the
use of the existing foundation.
Peterson asked if the 6 -8' distance into the 0 -75' setback included the terrace. Gaffron
said it did not. He said the plan would have to be moved back 20' to allow the terrace to
be located out of the 0 -75' setback.
Kiernan noted that she had significantly reduced the hardcover in the 0 -75' setback.
Jabbour agreed but noted that the requirement is for zero hardcover in the 0 -75' setback
with none of the original house remaining.
Jabbour asked the applicant if she would like to take time to consider her options at this
time. He clarified that the resolution could be amended with the house as designed as
long as no portion of the house or terrace is located in the 0 -75' setback.
IKiernan noted the problem with getting closer to the garage with the elevations. Gaffron
showed the site plan and the difficulty in making use of the existing garage as planned if
the structure is pushed back on the property, with having to swing into the garage if it is
moved to the west. Jabbour suggested if the structure is moved to the north, there would
be more space in front of the old garage. Kiernan questioned whether this would affect
the drainfield. Gaffron said it would not create a problem as sewer will be ready to serve
the property. He said grading may be of question. Kiernan asked Council to consider
the busyness of CoRd 15 and her desire to keep as far away from that road as possible.
Jabbour moved, Kelley seconded, to continue the agenda item to the end of the Zoning
Administrator's Report. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #6) #2279 G. MARC AND TRACY WHITEHEAD,1220 LYMAN AVENUE -
PRELIMINARY PLAT - RESOLUTION NO. 3966
Tracy Whitehead and Attorney, John Winston, were present.
Jabbour ascertained from City Attorney Barrett that the applicant and he have reached a
conclusion regarding the park dedication fee. Gaffron acknowledged that the
preliminary plat was being reconsidered because of the park dedication fee.
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Gaffron said the Council voted to reconsider the preliminary plat at their November 24
meeting and direct Staff to draft language showing the nexus and proportionality of the
park fee in its relationship to this subdivision. Gaffron said he had been unaware until
this evening that a park fee agreement had been reached.
Jabbour asked that the record reflect that the Council and Staff have been developing
information to show the nexus so that the park fee could be determined by the City
Attorney and Staff.
Moorse reported that he contacted Council members regarding whether they would
support approving a park fee of $7,000. He received majority support for this fee and
authorized Barrett to resolve the issue at that amount.
Tracy Whitehead indicated her acceptance of the fee amount.
Barrett asked that the preliminary plat resolution be amended with respect to the park fee
by adding three additional sentences as follows: "After the approval of the preliminary
plat by the City Council, applicants, by their attorney, sent a letter objecting to the
requirement that the applicants pay the park dedication fee as required by ordinance.
Upon receiving the applicant's objection, the Council moved to reopen the preliminary
plat, and to instruct the staff to provide more detailed findings for the Council's 40
consideration with respect to the park deication fee. After consultation with their
attorney, and negotiations with the City Staff and City Attorney, applicants determined
that they would agree to settle this matter in the amount of $3,500 per lot." Whitehead
voiced her approval of that addition.
Goetten asked if the subdivision and park fee remained the same. Jabbour said it did.
Jabbour noted that Goetten was in favor of the application itself but not in how the park
fee issue was handled and would stand on that opinion as she does not want to see case
by case review.
Kelley moved, Peterson seconded, to approve the preliminary plat Resolution No. 3966
with the addition of the three sentences by City Attorney Barrett.
Jabbour asked that the record reflect that Barrett read the sentences into the record and
were approved by both the applicant and attorney.
Vote: Ayes 4, Nays 1, Goetten.
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( #7) #2279 G. MARC AND TRACY WHITEHEAD,1220 LYMAN AVENUE -
FINAL PLAT - RESOLUTION NO. 4012
Gaffron reported that the applicant has substantially completed the conditions required
in the final plat and Staff is in receipt of the mylars and documents listed as required for
the final approval. The park dedication fee issue has also been resolved. Staff
recommends approval of the resolution of the final plat.
The applicant had no additional comments.
Jabbour moved, Kelley seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4012. Vote: Ayes 4, Nays 1,
Goetten.
( * #8) #2306 DENNIS PLATTETER, 809 BROWN ROAD NORTH - FINAL PLAT
CLASS III SUBDIVISION - RESOLUTION NO. 4013
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4013. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays
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( #9) #2308 BROOK PARK REALTY, 3760 SHORELINE DRIVE - PRD AND
CLASS III PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION
iBill Gleason of Brook Park Realty was present.
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Van Zomeren referenced the plans for the Class III Subdivision and PRD. The property
is located on CoRd 15. Van Zomeren reviewed the discussions held on the application
at two Planning Commission meetings. The Planning Commission recommended
approval of the preliminary plat. Van Zomeren indicated that before final plat approval,
the issue of a water loop or sprinkler system needs to be decided. Van Zomeren
reviewed the concerns and resolution draft.
Van Zomeren said the property is heavily wooded. The applicant has attempted to
maximize tree preservation. Access will be from Livingston Avenue with a private
driveway to access the townhomes to the south. A hammerhead will be added for a
turnaround for cars and emergency vehicles. She noted that the individual townhomes
will be privately owned and the other areas will be left in common ownership.
Van Zomeren reviewed the conditions of the resolution. Under #16, Van Zomeren said
the landscape plan will be done prior to final plat approval and will need to be changed if
Council agrees.
Jabbour asked if there was any hazardous materials found on the property. Van
Zomeren said she is not sure what is there noting the property is a 10 acre site.
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( #9 - #2308 Brook Park Realty - Continued)
Van Zomeren noted the typical submittals being required. The park dedication fee is
$19,464. Sewer and water fees were noted. The Planning Commission recommended
approval of the preliminary plat and PRD.
The applicant, Bill Gleason, had no comments at this time.
Flint questioned the 7' easement of right -of -way dedication to Shoreline Drive. He noted
the Hennepin County bike trail plan and questioned whether this easement is the place
for a bike trail. It is currently noted for use by utilities only. He questioned whether
there is room for a bike trail on the southern edge of the property. Van Zomeren said it
can be reviewed by the City Engineer and resolution can -be amended for a trail if
requested. She indicated the Hennepin County right -of -way agent is requesting the same
amount of easement as utilities companies have.
Jabbour asked if the City wants a 7' or 10' trail. He noted the park dedication fee would
have to be adjusted if that was the case. He asked if Gleason understood. Gleason said
he was working through it. Flint noted the trail would have to be 10' or 12' questioning
whether the location was feasible for a trail without getting into wetlands. Gleason said
he did not believe there was adequate room for a trail in that location.
Flint questioned the determination of 30 units in the zoning district. Van Zomeren said 40
the property is in the LR -1 C1 District and the applicant is able to increase the density by
50% if items A -F are met on pages 1 and 2 of the resolution. Barrett suggested the
resolution be amended to note the addition of the proposed plat meeting those
requirements.
Kelley asked if the application meets those requirements, if the City has to allow the
50% increase in density. Barrett said he would review the matter but believed it is
mandatory. Kelley felt too much structure was being squeezed in but would comply if
required.
Kelley asked how many townhomes were located to the east of this subdivision. Van
Zomeren did not have that number. Kelley said he would like to know as the
subdivision would add traffic through a lower density neighborhood. He suspected the
property to the east has more dry buildable and has only 24 -26 duplex units. Jabbour
noted that a credit is received for the wetland. Kelley said he understood that, noting
that was the reason for asking Barrett the question on allowing an increased density.
Jabbour noted that sewered areas are reviewed differently from non - sewered areas.
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Kelley questioned the use of a hammerhead noting he has never seen this done in the
City. He asked if the City was taking the position that this is to be allowed. Jabbour
said he feels the use of a hammerhead instead of a cul -de -sac is in conflict with the
ordinance.
Barrett reported that the language provided within the LR -1C1, one family lakeshore,
Zoning District allows for a 50% density increase. The language says this "may" be
provided which appears to provide some discretion to the Council, but since there are no
standards by which this is to be judged, he feels the applicant would have the right to the
density increase.
Flint questioned whether there is the discretion to round up in calculating the number of
units allowed. Kelley asked if the number can be rounded down. Barrett said, by policy,
what has been done in the past should be applied in order to be consistent. Jabbour
noted that they were talking about one unit only. He sees the main issues as that of a
hammerhead versus a cul -de -sac, and the guideline of certain agencies to say whether a
sprinkler system is required. Van Zomeren reported that the resolution was not drafted
to require the sprinkler system.
• Gleason said if the water main could not be looped, the alternative would be to install a
sprinkler system, but he has not done an analysis of it as yet. Gleason said he is
attempting to save trees. Gleason said the system can be looped but tree loss is a
consideration. It was noted that water pressure could be affected if all townhome
residents were drawing water at the same time. Jabbour asked Gappa about the water
pressure. Gappa said he did not believe water pressure was a problem as there was
capacity to pull from two different directions. Gappa thought it would be nice to have a
loop. Jabbour asked if it was nice or if it was required. Gappa indicated it was not
required. Jabbour noted the code does not say the plan must be approved by a landscape
architect.
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Gleason said he was going to submit a landscape plan. If it is found there would be a
loss of more trees, a plan could be provided to show the addition of more trees. Jabbout
agreed noting the applicant should not be forced to have a landscape architect produce a
plan.
Gleason informed Kelley that tuck -under garages will be provided for the residents.
Kelley asked where the front door is for the dwellings located in the middle. Gleason
referred to page 5 of the plans noting the doors are on the walkways facing toward the
woods. Kelley clarified that the door is not on the same side of the building as the
garage. Kelley asked where guests park. Gleason said they could park in the driveway
but would have to walk all the way around to access the door.
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Jabbour asked if the project meets the Livable Community Act. Gleason said he was
unsure what that limit is but noted he was required to eliminate some units. The current
market price is $134,000. Moorse reported that under the act, the maximum limit is
$120,000 for 1997.
Flint voiced interest in knowing how traffic will be affected in the neighborhood and if
there were any requirements pertaining to this issue. Van Zomeren said there was not
but could be added as a condition. Flint questioned whether it is fair to add that much
traffic to a lower density housing area.
Gleason said a water tower is located in the area where the road comes out. The number
of units is low on that road and traffic would not affect many units. He said the goal is
to extend the road to the west if he can acquire the land. The owner is not interested at
this time, however.
Kelley said a point that the Council should be made aware of is the subdivision may
facilitate the need for a traffic light to be installed at Casco Point Road and Shoreline
Drive. He noted the difficulty that would result in making left turns to go east during the
morning rush hour. Kelley said the CoRd 19 and Livingston intersection will be used
more and is a bad intersection to begin with.
Moorse said the Council may want to ask the applicant to provide traffic information
since this is the only way out of the subdivision and is of major concern.
Jabbour said the majority of the application meets the code, though, he would like to
have seen the project meeting the affordable housing criteria. He indicated the cul -de-
sac requirement would not be met but noted the plan is for saving trees. Jabbour said the
applicant must demonstrate the hardship to deviate from the cul -de -sac requirement.
Gleason said the drive is meant to be a private drive, will be marked and made to appear
as such. The hammerhead was considered to provide room for a turnaround. Jabbour
noted that most of the roads in the City are private roads. Jabbour said he sees no
hardship demonstrated. Gleason asked if trees were considered a hardship. Jabbour said
the problem could be satisfied by eliminating two homes and installing a cul -de -sac
noting the requirement is law. Kelley said he had questioned whether the Council was
considering not requiring the applicant to adhere to the law.
Peterson said she also was concerned with the issue of the cul -de -sac. She asked Barrett
to look into the use of the word, "may ". Barrett said he would do so. He feels there is
reason for plausible discretion by the applicant with the language, "may obtain ".
Jabbour asked for Council direction.
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( #9 - #2308 Brook Park Realty - Continued)
Goetten asked Barrett if it was fairly conclusive that approval should be granted as
meeting conditions. Barrett said that was true as far as density is concerned.
Gleason noted that the goal was for affordability and cost would increase if two
buildings were eliminated and a cul -de -sac added. He felt the private driveway aids
affordability. He noted the encumbrance of trees as well noting he was trying to meet a
lot of criteria with the plan.
Jabbour said the code is specific in its regard to cul -de -sacs. He noted the market price
is already over the limit of affordable housing. Jabbour indicated no hardship was
shown. Jabbour said either the code should be adhered to or the code changed. Jabbour
concluded that because of the density allowed by code and with the cul -de -sac, it would
result in a loss of trees.
Kelley noted the cul -de -sac would be located at the end of the private driveway. If unit
#7 was eliminated, there would be room for a cul -de -sac. Gleason said he understood
that but was trying to accommodate several trees but would support the cul -de -sac.
Flint asked how the traffic flow worked. The road and paved walkways were noted.
Gleason said if the units were staggered, a service door could be provided. He said he
normally builds courtyards into the project. Gleason said two separated walkways are
being provided where one would normally be shown. This is being done in order to save
trees.
Kelley was informed that there would be a homeowners association. He asked about
outdoor storage. Gleason said no outdoor storage would be allowed. No boats could be
placed in the driveway and cars would be allowed in the driveways only temporarily.
Van Zomeren referenced the restrictive covenant document noted under #7 on page 6 of
the resolution. Kelley questioned whether the Council should review that document.
Gleason said the homeowners association document would be submitted with the final
plat. Kelley said he would not want to wait until that point and have the Council deny it.
Jabbour said it would be more appropriate to give direction now on what is expected.
Jabbour informed Goetten that the Council can make conditions on a homeowners
association. Gleason said he would submit the document to staff. It was questioned
how that would assist enforcement since the document can be modified. Jabbour said
modifications would have to be part of the resolution. Gleason said a modification
would also require 100% approval, one denial would totally deny it, and would require
Council approval. While there is a time limit to the document, it is for 30 years.
Jabbour noted the document can be renewed for an additional six years.
Jabbour noted that there was a very limited street side to the units. He would like to
ensure that there is adequate parking.
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( #9 - #2308 Brook Park Realty - Continued)
Kelley asked if this was a PRD. Barrett said the increase is pursuant to the zoning
district and not a PRD.
Kelley asked if there was no parking on the street. Gleason said no parking would be
allowed on the 22' wide street. Kelley asked what occurs when there is a party. Gleason
said residents can ask their neighbors for permission to park in their driveways.
Flint said he was not prepared to vote on the preliminary plat at this time as he would
like an answer on traffic flow. He is less concerned with the issue of the cul -de -sac.
Flint thought the use of a hammerhead made sense. Flint would like to see the impact of
the density and is bothered by the use of the word "may ". Van Zomeren said it is listed
under additional permitted uses.
Barrett suggested the Council under Subdivision III ask the applicant to be required to
meet these provisions, A through F in the resolution but others as well that give Council
discretion. Under E, for building size and location, and F, vehicle egress and ingress,
Council approval could be required. This may need further discussion.
Jabbour said he was not concerned with the cul -de -sac itself but with randomly ignoring
the need for demonstrating hardship. He noted the Planning Commission unanimously •
rejected the need for the cul -de -sac and should not continue to make decisions in this
manner. He said if the Council wants to make changes on egress and ingress it should
do so or the application should be moved forward.
The application would be discussed at the January 12 Council Meeting and January 19
Planning Commission Meeting. Jabbour said once the preliminary plat is passed, the
City is committing to the project but some members of the Council are not comfortable
with the plan as currently proposed.
Gleason said he can ascertain the traffic impacts. He noted the subdivision is not
designed for families but for singles and couples. He is unsure what can be done as far
as CoRd 15 is concerned.
Flint said he would like the applicant to present the information and have staff review it.
He feels staff needs to be more proactive and look at development of the property to the
west.
Kelley said he would not like to see only one way out of the subdivision.
Jabbour asked that guidelines be given to the applicant.
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Kelley asked the applicant to determine how this subdivision would correspond to the
neighborhood to the east as far as density; what is proposed to the west, and roadway to
CoRd 15. He suggested the use of a cul -de -sac. He wants to see the 22' private road
meet the standards for private roads and review the homeowners agreement. Gappa
noted the standard width for private roads is 28'. Van Zomeren said the reduction in
width is to save trees. Kelley said if the issue is trees or safety, safety is more important
as additional trees can be planted. As far as traffic impact, Kelley suggested that
Livingston and Lyric could possibly be one way streets. Goetten said she had
considered that as well noting residents will find other alternatives when they see a
problem using CoRd 15.
Goetten moved, Flint seconded, to table Application #2308 to the January 12 Council
Meeting. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #10) #2314 JOHN BESSESEN, HOYT DEVELOPMENT, 2505 -2507 KELLY
AVENUE - ZONING AMENDMENT, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND
VARIANCE - RESOLUTIONS NO. 4014
Van Zomeren explained how the existing duplex credit works. She noted it is a moving
target as it is tied to the commercial and industrial zones. The properties within 200' of
the industrial zone are not eligible as they are not adjacent but separated by roadways
and the railroad. In the commercial zoning district along Highway 12 areas within 200'
and adjacent were shown. Van Zomeren said in practice, the duplex credit would not be
used in this area. She showed the Navarre area where eligibility for duplex credit could
occur noting its haphazard application based on "adjacent ".
Van Zomeren indicated that the purpose of locating higher density residential next to
commercial uses is to buffer low density housing. It is her opinion that the duplex credit
is not an appropriate technique or method to attain buffering. The proposed property
could become eligible by using the B3 District and establishing additional eligibility
within 250'. This would add the property in question only.
Van Zomeren reviewed the application. She reported there is an existing structure on the
property that is a legal non - conforming use. In the LR -1B Zoning District one acre per
dwelling unit is the minimum. A PRD is not allowed as the property does not meet the
density requirement. The applicant is proposing removal of the existing structure and
building a twinhome on the property. There is an Outlot A along the lakeshore and
created and recommended by the City to provide docks for the nearby townhomes. The
one acre property with the outlot grants rights to the neighbors next door.
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( #10 - 92314 Hoyt Development - Continued) •
Van Zomeren reviewed the options as laid out in the packet. She reported that the
Planning Commission recommended approval on a 3/2 vote to amend the zoning code
by changing the eligible area within the B3 Zoning District. One alternative was to table
the application to allow the Council to review where townhomes should be allowed and
amend the Comprehensive Plan. A variance would be required to locate the duplex
further away than the duplex credit currently allows.
Bradley Hoyt and John Bessesen were present.
Kelley indicated another option would be to combine the property with the adjacent
townhomes into a PRD, eliminating individual lots, and working together to have a
common dock. Van Zomeren said the problem would be that the property would not
meet the requirements of the PRD. She indicated the wetlands also need to be
delineated.
Hoyt said he only has an option on the ownership of the subject property. His goal is to
remove an unsightly structure and improve the property. Hoyt felt the Planning
Commission recommendation is commendable as it only affects this property. He noted
that Outlot A inhibits the lot from being a single family development.
Hoyt said he is contractually closing on the property at the end of the week. He noted
the history behind the common dock. He said he was willing to work with the neighbors
to find a solution.
Jabbour indicated that everyone is motivated to improve this property, but he wants to
ensure that the right decision is made and not one of spot zoning. Jabbour said he asked
Staff to review why the dock was planned as it is and whether the reason still applies
today. He noted the removal of the dock would change the values of the property.
Goetten said she was not in favor of spot zoning and would like to know the reasoning
behind the docks.
Hoyt said his understanding was one of clustering noting a past Council member lived
nearby and did not wish to view the docks. Hoyt indicated that the townhome owners
next door do not own the property underneath their homes but is owned by the
association. Van Zomeren said the outlot is owned in common with all homeowners
having an interest in it. Bessesen noted there were two homeowner associations.
Hoyt suggested the docks straddling the property line by both properties and Outlot A
being eliminated. Bessesen said Outlot A requires annual licensing.
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Jabbour said he feels there is a density issue in why the outlot was developed initially.
He thought the purpose was to ensure that the homeowners association does not have
riparian rights to the property in front of them and to ensure that the lagoon would not
have a large number of docks on it. Hoyt noted that there was about 135' of lakeshore
for the subject property and about 220' for the adjacent property.
Kelley asked what prevents the applicant from combining the property with the Kelly
Cove Townhouse Development and maintaining a building envelope. Jabbour said 6
acres would be required. Kelley questioned whether the northern property received
variances. He noted the need to determine the dry buildable.
Jabbour noted that Council Member Kelley has not wanted to see a PRD around the
lake. He questioned how 1/2 acre zoning was not allowed here and done elsewhere,
citing property located between two marinas. It was determined that the zoning was
different.
Bessesen asked if the existing structure could be added onto and then removed
afterwards. Van Zomeren said the property could not be expanded due to its non-
conforming status.
Bessesen said the Planning Commission was not sure of the distance from the zoning for
duplex credit and recalculated it. The distance determined was found to only affect this
parcel and would be considered adjacent property. The distance is 200' to the property
and 250' to the middle point of the property. He indicated this would clean up the
zoning and achieve improving this property without adversely affecting any other
property.
Jabbour indicated that the application triggered the thought process that staff thought
would benefit the zoning without doing spot zoning but achieving more for the city in
correcting issues of zoning.
Kelley asked about combining with the lots to the north without doing a PRD and being
within 200'. Van Zomeren indicated that the duplex itself would not be within the 200'.
Kelley noted that the common area would include property both in and out of the duplex
area. Hoyt said he was not in favor of any combinations.
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(#10 - #2314 Hoyt Development - Continued) •
Van Zomeren clarified the original recommendation which would eliminate the duplex
credit and just restrict the duplex credit to the B3 Zoning District only. She does not
believe the duplex credit is the best method for buffering single family residences from
commercial zoning. Kelley disagreed noting the Highway 12 Corridor has commercial
property with multi- housing behind it and then single family homes. He reconfirmed the
need for such buffering but noted that the subject property was not on Highway 12. Van
Zomeren restated that buffering is appropriate but this method is not appropriate. She
indicated what is done in the commercial district affects the duplex credit which should
not occur. She feels a determination should be made where the duplex credit should be
located.
Jabbour said he is against spot zoning and indicated a 4 /5th majority vote is required.
There were no public comments. The public hearing was closed.
Jabbour suggested eliminating the loop in the ordinance noting he was against
eliminating the outlot. Hoyt noted that he would have preferred to build a single family
home but could not do so because of the outlot. He questioned whether the outlot could
be rearranged but said he needed the option to build the twinhome. Hoyt said the
existing building is only 5' from the right -of -way which creates problems. He noted that
elimination of the outlot was not part of this proposal.
Jabbour asked about eliminating the duplex credit. Van Zomeren said the Planning
Commission recommended keeping the duplex credit with a 133 add -on. This was not
recommended by Staff. She indicated that action would be required on the amendment
before a CUP could occur for this proposal.
Kelley said he had a problem with the B3 Zoning noting the reasoning behind it was for
existing use, Rick's Super Valu. Kelley said the B3 is just like commercial property with
a larger building. He is concerned that another concept could end up in that building.
He would not like to see the duplex credit tied to the B3.
Jabbour asked if the duplex credit extends around the B3 in the rest of the zoning.
Kelley asked the reason for applying it only to the B3 district, where the existing use is a
grocery store. Van Zomeren said it is not the current use but the zoning classification
which is the link that supports the higher density. Kelley indicated the whole area is the
shopping area noting a hardware store across the street. He questioned what would
occur if Hoyt Development comes in and the only B3 in the City is because it is a
grocery store and attaching this use to one place. He noted that Kelly Avenue is eligible
across from where he lives. Hoyt felt the focus is where the city wants it to occur. He
thought the contemplation of a duplex was a good idea.
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0 (#10 - #2314 Hoyt Development - Continued)
Jabbour suggested this property and other duplex between the two marinas and Sandy
Beach be cleaned up. He said he did not visualize the need to go through a
Comprehensive Plan Amendment. Gaffron said any changes to zoning would require
amendment of the Comprehensive Plan.
Flint said he favored option #4 (Comprehensive Plan Amendment and Zoning Study)
but noted it does not solve the applicant's problem. Hoyt said he was unable to extend
their option agreement. Bessesen noted that the proposal was to maintain the same
elevation as the other townhomes.
Jabbour suggested expanding the district to 250' and adding the B3 and then creating a
special district for this property and the other areas noted. Barrett said that would be
satisfactory. He questioned what was published for this application. It was noted that
the zoning was not changing but amending the district, while not eliminating other
districts, which results in the proper notification made.
Flint said he would support that asking if the other areas would be considered. Jabbour
said it would be done immediately.
Gaffron said he would like to have a separate discussion on the goals of the other
properties.
Jabbour moved, Goetten seconded, to approve the Planning Commission
recommendation instructing Staff to review the three areas noted to determine what
zoning could be used for those locations.
Peterson asked for clarification on what is being accomplished. Jabbour said this would
extend the duplex credit to 250', adding the B3 zoning, and allowing the project to move
forward.
Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
Jabbour moved, Flint seconded, to approve Application #2314 for CUP and variance per
the Planning Commission recommendation.
Kelley asked about the variance. Van Zomeren clarified that the duplex credit has two
criteria. The first is that a lot must have public sanitary sewer and be adjacent to the
commercial /industrial district. The second is that the duplex must be constructed within
200'. The amendment would not change the 200' limit for construction. The footprint is
further than 250' though the property is within 250'. The variance would be for distance
and not for use. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
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( * 411) CITY OF ORONO - ZONING AMENDMENT - LAND ALTERATION
REGULATIONS AND PERMIT CRITERIA #102, 2ND SERIES
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to adopt Ordinance No. 102, Second Series, an
Ordinance Amending the City of Orono Zoning Code Section 10.03, Subdivisions 19
and 21, and Section 10.56 Subdivision 16 (J) to Revise and Clarify Requirements and
Limitations on Land Alteration and Land Alteration Permits. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #5) #2264 JANET KIERNAN - CONTINUED
Jabbour asked if the Council would be within their jurisdiction to amend the resolution.
Barrett said this could occur as long as there were less variances required.
Christy said the applicant proposes to rotate the structure clockwise 15 degrees and
move it back behind the 75' setback line in its entirety including the terrace. This would
allow access to the garage without jamming the structure into it, minimize economical
waste, eliminating further excavation, and minimize tree loss. The same variances
would be required for side setback and 75 -250' hardcover. Christy said the hardcover
would increase in the 75 -250' setback due to the amount that would have been in the 0-
75' would now be pushed into the 75 -250' setback. The other variance would be the
same for average lakeshore setback.
Christy said he would like to see the permit amended, submit site plans, and redesign the 0
interior. If elevation is changing to meet the grade, there may need to be a slight design
change making some of the current design of the old home awkward and could be
eliminated. This could be accomplished without further increasing the bulk of the
structure and resulting in less of the bulk encroaching the side setback. He speculated
that there would be no additional fees necessary for the new construction.
Jabbour asked about time schedule. Christy said if the footings and concrete work could
be done within the next two weeks, there would be no problem with continuing.
Jabbour said he would like to reconsider the application with eliminating hardcover in
the 0 -75' setback (excluding stairs), and allowing this amount of square footage to be in
the 75 -250' setback, maintaining same side setback of 15' with no further encroachment,
and eliminating existing footings. Kelley noted that there is 3.9% of hardcover in the 0-
75' setback and the 75 -250' setback is currently at 27.6 %. Jabbour noted that the
calculations will have to be by square footage. Barrett said the recommendation by
Jabbour would be satisfactory.
Gaffron indicated there would be no additional fees. The only change might be the
valuation for the building permit. Jabbour asked that Staff diligently work with the
applicant.
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• ( #5 - #2264 Janet Kiernan - Continued)
Jabbour moved, Goetten seconded, to reopen Application #2264. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
Jabbour moved, Goetten seconded, to amend Resolution #3946 to reflect that any
previous variances given to the structure in the 0 -75' setback would be totally eliminated
and the amount of square footage would be credited to the 75 -250' setback. All
remaining variances would remain as in the original resolution. The side setback is not
to exceed amount stated.
The applicant supported this motion.
Dzurik asked if structure changes are made on the blueprint, if the applicant has to pay a
fee. Gaffron said the building inspector would likely have to charge another plan review
which is typically a percentage and would be for probably a couple of hours time.
Jabbour asked if this fee could be waived. Barrett said it could. This was not added to
the motion but with Council agreement and understanding by staff.
Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
(Agenda order continues after review of Item #17)
• ( #17) BURNING PERMIT REGULATIONS
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Gappa reported that the Council has reviewed the burning permit regulations in the past.
The recent changes for consideration include changes to the length of the permit and an
allowance for burning of brush depending'on the lot size. The burning regulations in
Independence and Minnetrista were researched, where they allow brush to be burned
without permit up to a 25' pile, 10' high. Gappa said development in Orono was then
reviewed and burning was considered for three categories: recreational, small brush, and
large brush. Gappa reviewed the requirements for each type of burning as outlined in
the packet.
Gappa said he spoke with West Hennepin Public Safety, who requires a water supply
consisting of a single hose for a small brush fire that includes log disposal. He thought
their requirements were reasonable. The large brush fires would be for properties of 5+
acres. In that case, the West Hennepin Public Safety requires two hoses.
Jabbour asked for public comments.
Allan Engleman, 315 Old Crystal Bay Road, asked if the Council was now considering
burning of brush. He was informed that this was being considered.
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( #17 - Burning Permit Regulations - Continued) •
Jabbour noted there were several ways these issues could be addressed. Gappa noted
that it is the City's intention to provide a site for disposal as well.
Kelley asked for several additions. He would like to see an adult (property owner
supervision) be required to be in attendance for any small and large brush fires and fires
be extinguished before leaving the site. Kelley said no commercial or imported material
burning should be allowed for small and large brush fires; materials burned should come
from subject property. He also feels there should be a time limit, noting no burning
should occur during the night time hours. He supported the length of the permits as
noted in the information.
Jabbour suggested the burning permits be for a 90 day period. Gappa said the time
limitation is to maintain control. Goetten asked what occurs if a fire cannot happen due
to conditions such as high wind. Gappa said the permits allow for an extension. Jabbour
said a fine and inability to obtain another permit penalty needs to be attached for
violations.
Peterson suggested the burning permits be for a 45 day period.
Engleman asked if water has to be provided if the burning occurs during the winter.
Goetten said that should be left to the discretion of the fire department. Engleman felt
fires should be attended.
Bob Gehrman agreed with Gappa regarding the concept of chipping wood where feasible
but believes there is a place for limited large brush fires. He would like to see the issue
addressed about availability of water. He thought if there was substantial snowcover, no
water would be necessary. Jabbour asked Gappa to review the issue of snowcover in
regard to brush fires. Gappa suggested a water hose be available if necessary at the
building site. Kelley said a fire extinguisher could be available too.
Gappa referenced the list of conditions. He asked if burning regulations should be an
ordinance or policy. Gappa noted that an ordinance revision should not require a public
hearing.
Flint supported a new ordinance with inclusion of comments made by Kelley regarding
safety. Flint noted that fires during the winter months may have to be done at night due
to the limited daylight hours.
Goetten supported the regulations. She noted the need to eliminate the first bullet noted
on the top of the second page of the permit (not to burn brush or other prohibited
materials), which would no longer apply.
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• ( #17 - Burning Permit Regulations - Continued)
Kelley asked that the ordinance be submitted to Council in its final form and instructed
Staff to present it at the next Council meeting.
Gappa asked for Council's recommendation on time frame of the burning permit.
Jabbour suggested 60 days with an annual permit for recreational fires. He asked that a
penalty clause be included that does not relate to a fine but to a time limit of 6 months.
Goetten asked that Kelley's concern be added that only property owner's materials can be
burned and no additional materials be brought onto the property.
Peterson asked what the fine was for illegal burning. Barrett said it would be a
misdemeanor requiring a fine of $900.
( #12) NAVARRE HOUSING STUDY
Jabbour asked the reason behind the study. Bressler said the main purpose of the study
was to evaluate the housing conditions in the Navarre area, check to see if there was a
need for grant funding for rehabilitation, and to gather information for use in the
Comprehensive Plan update.
• A picture board displayed the housing found in Navarre. The study itself was broken
into three parts: 1) mail out survey regarding conditions, ability to make repairs, and if
there was interest in receiving grant funding; 2) field review of the properties; and 3)
determination of percentages of affordable housing in Navarre and the percentage
affordable housing constitutes in Orono.
There were four sub areas within the City. The residents were asked whether they rented
or owned; majority were homeowners. It was found that half of the residents fell within
the affordable housing guidelines for income. The majority of the homeowners said they
were able to afford repairs. There was a strong interest shown towards application for
grant funding. While nearly 50% of the homes were in good condition, 30% were not.
The field findings noted housing type, the majority of which are single family homes.
The majority of the homes were found to be in good to excellent condition, but concern
is shown for the remaining that are not in good repair. As far as garages go, the most
concern was for detached garages which tend to be less maintained. It was found that
20% of the yards were in poor appearance. Bressler said the assessed value of housing
for 1997 in Navarre is considered affordable. This correlates with the market values for
1996 -97.
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(# 12 - Navarre Housing Study - Continued) •
Kelley was informed that the number of affordable homes were 183. It was unknown
what percentage is being mandated by the Met Council for affordability. Van Zomeren
said the Navarre area homes meeting the affordability criteria is 6% of the total homes in
the City. Van Zomeren said Staff feels there is 24% of the housing that will be found to
meet the affordability criteria. The average property value in Navarre is $107,000 with
$220,000 overall in the City of Orono. The information will be used for exploring grant
possibilities and updating the Comprehensive Plan. Other cities are assisting in
reviewing affordable housing in the area.
Jabbour said the Planning Commission was asking what grants are available. It was
noted that the City has received CDBG funding in the past, though not for 1997.
Jabbour commented regarding the Planning Department analyzing variance applications
and cataloging them. He feels it is fruitless to amend zoning requirements as applicants
will adjust their needs accordingly and will increase the number of variance requests
accordingly. Van Zomeren responded that she feels this will result in obtaining a
recommendation from the Planning Commission for elimination of some variances. She
noted according to the oversize accessory chart, no variances are allowed and could be
more restrictive. Van Zomeren said this information has allowed her to have a better
understanding of what has been approved in the past.
Jabbour noted the concern over drifting from our main objectives. Peterson said she has
been told that the Council was more objective in the past and believes the Planning
Commission could be more restrictive. Jabbour urged that Staff checks with Council
before fully developing an idea.
Goetten said she would like to see the Planning Commission more restrictive in their
approvals. She noted that this results in it being more difficult to change an application
at the Council level.
Van Zomeren said new application forms are being developed which will require more
information to be supplied by the applicant.
Flint noted that the analysis should not be tied into statistics from the Met Council. He
indicated the City is trying to develop a community of different income levels.
Jabbour noted that there should be no leeway given from the zoning code regardless of
the cost of the residence.
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• MAYOR/COUNCIL REPORT
Jabbour indicated that the City has received information from the Met Council which
appears to indicate the density level of future development in Orono should be 2.3
houses per acre.
He also reported he had a very positive meeting with representatives of Mn/DOT and the
MCWD regarding ponding for new Highway 12 and the impact of development density
on Lake Minnetonka.
Jabbour said he met with representatives of Hennepin Parks to work on completion of
the trail, cooperative agreement, assistance with parks, trails, and recreation in the area,
and cooperative efforts regarding Highway 12 and the Hwy 12 and CoRd 6 intersection.
Jabbour said he drove the City with Hennepin Park representatives, who were impressed
with what they saw.
Goetten asked who Gaffron spoke to from the Met Council. Gaffron said he did not
speak to anyone but was sent a table of expected household numbers projected out into
the future. The number did not match Orono's zoning requirements. He has not yet
contacted the Met Council for clarification.
• Goetten noted that she is a member of the Metropolitan Council's Land Use Advisory
Committee and has been informing the committee about the City's development
philosophy. She had thought they had a good understanding of the realities that were
appropriate to the City. She asked Gaffron for a copy of the information so she can
research it further.
Jabbour said he is concerned that the density level in Orono is driven by the sewer units.
He noted that low density is good for the eco- system. He would like to see the two acre
density separated from its direct tie with sewering. Kelley agreed that it should be tied
to water elevation and water quality of Lake Minnetonka. Jabbour indicated that 35% of
the lakeshore of Lake Minnetonka is in Orono and over 40% of the surface water
drainage to Lake Minnetonka comes through wetlands in Orono. Tom Maple has
informed Jabbour that the 929.4' normal lake elevation is unrealistic and should be at
930'. Jabbour said Maple was in favor of the 5 acre dry buildable and would like to
receive a copy of the City's philosophy from the Comprehensive Plan. Kelley noted that
any assistance from other agencies will aid the City in their dealings with the Met
Council.
Flint referenced the urban sprawl effect citing examples in other cities.
Jabbour said he was meeting with the Orono School Board and Minnetonka Beach
• representatives to work on a community effort regarding a school facilities referendum.
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(Mayor /Council Report - Continued) •
Flint reported that a master plan is being developed for the Luce Line Trail. He does not
believe there are any plans to pave the portion which is in Orono. Kelley asked about
snowmobiling. Flint said snowmobiling will not be extended. Flint noted that the Lake
Minnetonka Regional Park being developed by Hennepin Parks could be used as an
access to the Luce Line for snowmobilers. Jabbour noted access to the Luce Line can be
obtained through Waconia as well.
Goetten asked the status of the Ferndale Road project questioning when the public
hearing will be held. Moorse said preliminary information has been received from
Bonestroo regarding the feasibility study. Plymouth will be holding a public
information meeting. Moorse asked that a decision be made whether a joint meeting
should be held. Goetten said she thought the Orono Council was going to meet with the
Plymouth Council in a joint work session. Moorse said that would be an option.
Jabbour suggested the Council determine the opinion of the citizens first before any
meeting with Plymouth. Moorse said he would get the information out to Council
members prior to that time. Jabbour reiterated that a hearing will be held for the citizens
before the meeting with the Plymouth Council.
Jabbour extended congratulations to the Police Chief regarding the receipt of 'Best Jail
Class 4" designation as noted in a letter from the Department of Corrections.
ENGINEER REPORT
( * #13) REQUEST FOR PAYMENT #6 NORTH LONG LAKE/LONG LAKE
COUNTRY CLUB ADDITION SEWER IMPROVEMENT
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve Request for Payment #6, North Long
Lake Sanitary Sewer Project to Barbarossa & Sons in the amount of $16,945.72. Vote:
Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( * #14) REQUEST FOR PAYMENT #5 BAY RIDGE AND BRACKETTS POINT
SEWER IMPROVEMENT
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve Request for Payment #5, Bracketts
Point/Bay Ridge Sanitary Sewer Project to Barbarossa & Sons in the amount of
$28,075.35. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #15) REQUEST FOR PAYMENT #3 OLD CRYSTAL BAY ROAD BIKE TRAIL
Kelley noted that he was not in favor of the fence on Old Crystal Bay Road and the cost
of $5,000.
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• ( #15 - Engineer's Report - Continued)
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Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve Request for Payment #3, Old Crystal
Bay Road Trail project to Buffalo Bituminous in the amount of $42,964.31. Vote: Ayes
4, Nays 1, Kelley.
Flint asked that the record show that the Council was not happy with the fence.
CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
( #16) TOBACCO - ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NO. 164, 2ND SERIES
Moorse reported that there are new regulations regarding the sale of tobacco as adopted
in State legislation. The requirements can either be enforced by the City or deferred to
the County.
Goetten asked if the City did the enforcement for a year and found that they would
prefer County enforcement, if that could be done. Moorse said he believed so.
Goetten said she is appalled that the prohibition does not apply to cigars. It was noted
that tobacco products includes cigars but the legislation does not prohibit self - service
displays of cigars.
Jabbour noted that these are found at Rick's Super Valu and O'Sullivan's.
Moorse said he could check to see if the requirement could be made more restrictive.
Moorse was asked if the State could be assessed for the time and energy to enforce the
requirement. Moorse noted that the City could defer to the County for the enforcement,
but the same taxpayers would pay for it.
Peterson moved, Goetten seconded, to adopt City Tobacco Ordinance and the changes
required by State and Federal Law, with the understanding that Staff will review the
issue of cigars. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( 918) FIRE, BURGLARY AND SAFETY ALARM REGULATIONS AND
REQUIREMENTS - ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NO. 165, 2ND SERIES
Moorse reported that the amendment is a change in the ordinance as it relates to fire,
burglary, and safety alarms. The ordinance currently states that a fee would be charged
only after the third false alarm. This amendment allows for a fee to be charged for the
second false alarm and is reflected in the fee schedule. The fee schedule is progressive.
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Jabbour felt charging for the second false alarm was too low in his opinion. He asked
how much is charged for the first and subsequent false alarms. The second false alarm
for police is $50, third is $100, fourth is $150, and fifth is $250; the fee for false fire
alarms increases at a greater pace.
Jabbour moved, Peterson seconded, to adopt Ordinance No. 165, 2nd Series, amending
Ordinance No. 9.35, entitled "Fire, Burglary and Safety Alarm Regulations and
Requirements ", to enable a false alarm fee to be charged when a public safety alarm
system reports more than one false alarm to the City in a single calendar year.
Kelley asked what percentage of fire calls to the City is false calls. Moorse said the
percentage of alarm calls is 42 %, the majority of which are false.
Kelley asked when the allocation costs with Long lake are reviewed, if the allocation is
larger due to the number of alarm calls. He questioned if half are false calls, what the
increment would be if these false calls were not included. It was noted that about
$90,000 a year is spent for fire protection, and one -third are probably false in nature.
Moorse noted that this cost is based on the market value of homes and hours of service
calls. He thought savings would be in the thousands of dollars. Kelley said the
percentage is likely higher due to more alarm calls, and results in higher costs to the
taxpayers.
Kelley said the City needs to get a handle on this issue. Jabbour noted that the charge is
per hour and not per call. Kelley questioned if the cost of false alarms is passed on to
the taxpayer. Moorse agreed that is basically what occurs. Kelley asked that the number
of hours for false alarms be calculated.
Moorse confirmed for Goetten that there is no charge to homeowners when fires actually
occur.
( * 919) 1998 FEE SCHEDULE - ORDINANCE AND SUMMARY ORDINANCE
FOR PUBLICATION NO. 166, 2ND SERIES
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to adopt Ordinance No. 166, 2nd Series, amending
the City's fee schedule and summary ordinance for publication. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #20) RETIREMENT OF DOROTHY HALLIN, CITY CLERK - RESOLUTION
NO. 4015
Jabbour indicated his great sadness in the resignation of Dorothy Hallin, who has served
the City for 27 years. Moorse indicated a retirement party will be held in January.
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• ( #20 - Retirement of Dorothy Hallin - Continued)
Peterson moved, Goetten seconded, to accept Dorothy Hallin's resignation and adopt
Resolution No. 4015 in appreciation for Dorothy's 27 years of dedicated service to the
City. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #21) RESIGNATION OF CHRIS MILLER, ASSISTANT FINANCE
DIRECTOR/MIS COORDINATOR
Moorse noted accomplishments made by Miller during his tenure, specifically in the
technology and MIS area.
Council expressed regret in the resignation of Miller.
Flint moved, Peterson seconded, to accept the resignation of Chris Miller from his
position as Assistant Finance Director/MIS Coordinator effective December 18, 1997.
Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( * #22) COUNCIL LIAISON TO PARK COMMISSION AND PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETINGS IN 1998
. Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve the schedule for Council attendance at
the Park Commission and Planning Commission meetings during 1998. Vote: Ayes 5,
Nays 0.
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( #23) 1997 INTERFUND TRANSFERS AND LOAN PAYMENTS
Moorse reported that the approval would authorize transfers that were previously
approved as part of the 1997 budget.
Kelley moved, Flint seconded, to approve the interfund operating transfers, loan
payments, and special assessment payments on City owned property as presented,
effective December 31, 1997. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #24) AUTHORIZATION TO DISBURSE CITY FUNDS FOR CLAIMS
RECEIVED
Moorse noted that advance Council approval is required in order to continue bi- weekly
disbursement of City funds for payment of claims since the meeting is the last Council
meeting of the year.
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( #24 Authorization To Disburse City Funds For Claims Received - Continued)
Kelley moved, Peterson seconded, to authorize the City Treasurer to disburse City funds
in payment of claims received for the December 22nd Council Meeting, which has been
canceled, and that such claims be presented for formal approval at the January 12, 1998
Council Meeting. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( * #25) APPOINT AUDITOR FOR FISCAL YEAR 1997
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve the appointment of the audit firm of
Malloy, Montague, Karnowski, Radosevich & Co., P.A. to perform the required audits
for the 1997 fiscal year records at an estimated cost of $18,650, plus direct expenses.
Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #26) CANOPY FOR PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING
Moorse said the canopy has been re- engineered. The original concept was shown.
Jabbour was informed that the original architectural drawing was done by Bonestroo.
Gappa reviewed the changes to the structure.
Goetten asked why the cost was so high. Gappa said it was due to the roof structure. •
Moorse said the low bid was from Flag Builders for $19,480.
Jabbour asked if the construction would be done this year. Gappa said the majority of
the structure would be erected this year, namely the roof structure and columns. The
finishing work would occur in the spring.
Jabbour inquired of the foundation. Gappa said the type of footings was changed to a
drilled type, which reduced the cost. Goetten said the cost is still expensive. Gappa said
the original low bid was over $30,000. Changes included footings and removal of brick.
Jabbour noted that the door was located on the wrong side of the building for snow and
ice accumulation. Gappa said that fact was reviewed but change in door location was
not practical with the layout of the interior.
Kelley moved, Peterson seconded, to award the Public Works Building entrance canopy
project to the low bidder, Flag Builders, in the amount of $19,480; that the project
contract costs are to be paid from the Building Outlay Fund; and that the 1997 budget
appropriation is amended in the ainount of $19,480.
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0 ( #26 Canopy For Public Works Building Continued)
Goetten asked if there were other options that could be pursued. Gappa indicated that
changing the door location would cost as much.
Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( #27) 1998 POLICE SERVICES CONTRACT WITH THE CITIES OF
MINNETONKA BEACH AND SPRING PARK
Moorse reported of the need to renew the contract for police services.
( #27 - 1998 Police Services Contract - Continued)
Flint moved, Peterson seconded, to approve the renewal of the Police Service Contracts
with the cities of Minnetonka Beach and Spring Park for 1998 and to authorize the
Mayor to sign the contract documents. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
Jabbour asked Moorse about the meeting held with the Wright County Humane Society.
Moorse said the society is open to considering a joint effort.
Jabbour informed Council that Moorse was talking with other cities regarding building a
facility which would be run by the Wright County Humane Society. He feels the society
is in tune with the City's beliefs in handling of animals. Jabbour said he fears getting
into a situation with another agency where their philosophy in handling animals is
contrary to that of the City.
Jabbour asked that the Council be part of the solution for determining a location and
facility. Moorse indicated that the facility would be operated by the Wright County
Humane Society and would replace the existing facility in operation in Delano. The
society is also looking for another facility in the western portion of Wright County. The
easterly facility would serve Orono and other lake area cities.
( * #28) REAPPOINTMENT OF JAMES WHITE TO PARK COMMISSION
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve the appointment of James White to a
three year term on the Parks, Open Space, and Trails Commission. The term will begin
on January 1, 1998 and will end on December 31, 2000. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
( * #29) DONATION TO ORONO POLICE DEPARTMENT
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to accept the donation of bullet resistant vest from —
Mr. Reed. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
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CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
City Attorney Barrett had no report.
( * #30) LICENSES
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve the following license: Vote: Ayes 5,
Nays 0.
Special Event Permit Jyland Development
Spring Parade of Homes
March 1998
at 425 Hunter Pass
( * #31) BILLS
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to approve payment of the All Funds Account.
Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
ADJOURNMENT
Goetten moved, Peterson seconded, to adjourn at 11:35 p.m. Vote: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
ATTEST:
orothy M. a in, City Clerk
Gabrie Jabbour, Mayor
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