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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 24,1997
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The Council met on the above mentioned date with the following members present:
Mayor Gabriel Jabbour, Council Members Barbara Peterson and Richard Flint. J. Diann
Goetten and Charles Kelley were absent. Representing Staff were City Administrator
Ron Moorse, City Attorney Tom Barrett, Senior Planning Coordinator Michael Gaffron,
Planner /Zoning Administrator Elizabeth Van Zomeren, Public Services Director Greg
Gappa, City Engineer Tom Kellogg, and Recorder Sherry Frost. Mayor Jabbour called
the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
( * #1) CONSENT AGENDA
Items #5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 13, and 14 were added to the Consent Agenda.
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to approve the Consent Agenda as amended. Vote:
Ayes 3, Nays 0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
( * #2) REGULAR MEETING OF NOVEMBER 10, 1997
• Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to approve the Minutes of the Regular City Council
Meeting of November 10, 1997. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
PARK COMMISSION COMMENTS
Van Erickson had no comments.
LAKE MINNETONKA CONSERVATION DISTRICT
Lili McMillan was not present.
PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS
Bill Stoddard had no comments.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
There were no public comments.
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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR ORONO CITY COUNCIL
MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 24, 1997
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT is
( #3) #2279 G. MARC AND TRACY WHITEHEAD,1220 LYMAN AVENUE -
RECONSIDER PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL
Mrs. Whitehead was present.
Gaffron reported that discussion was held at the last Council meeting regarding the park
dedication fee. Pursuant to Staff discussions, Staff recommends reopening the
preliminary plat resolution to enable Staff to draft for incorporation into the resolution
additional findings related to the nexus and proportionality issues related to the park fee.
Mrs. Whitehead had no comments. She verified Staff and Council reviewed her letter
faxed to the City Office. Gaffron indicated the fax was received on this date and
distributed for Council review.
Jabbour informed Whitehead that the Council plans on acting on the application in a
timely manner. Mrs. Whitehead said she appreciates that. Jabbour said the Council
must also protect the interests of the City.
Jabbour moved, Peterson seconded, to reconsider Resolution #3966 for purposes noted.
Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
Jabbour moved, Flint seconded, to direct Staff to draft findings of nexus and •
proportionality for inclusion in Resolution #3966.
Barrett verified that the findings will include the nexus and proportionality of the
subdivision's impact on parks.
Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
( #4) #2305 ROGER AND ELIZABETH OLSEN, 814 PARTENWOOD ROAD -
VARIANCES - RESOLUTION NO. 4003
The applicants and architect were present.
Van Zomeren reported that the 1.02 acre property is located in the LR -1B Residential
District and meets the minimum lot requirements. Pictures were presented of the
property. The existing house is located within 75' of the lakeshore. The lot is unusual as
the lot extends along the lake but is narrow in its depth. The application is a proposal for
a 4 -car garage and additions to the residence. A patio with pavers currently exists. The
Planning Commission unanimously recommended approval of the 41' variance for
lakeshore setback for the residence 34' from the lakeshore and 15.3% hardcover variance
in the 0 -75' setback where 20% exists and none is allowed.
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• ( #4 - #2305 Roger and Elizabeth Olsen - Continued)
The applicant had no additional comments.
Jabbour asked if any of the hardcover resulted from replacement of non - structural
hardcover with structural hardcover. Van Zomeren explained what currently exists and
is proposed. She indicated the plan is reduced from the original proposal by removal of
a dog run and balcony on the lake side. Van Zomeren said additional structure will
occur.
Jabbour explained the issue of concern. He noted that applications have been reviewed
where illegally non - conforming hardcover is approved as part of an application
becoming legally non - conforming hardcover and resulting in more permanent structure
on properties. Jabbour said when the non - conforming hardcover is reviewed, the
Planning Commission assumes it has been placed their legally through the permit
process but has been added since the original application for construction on the property
was made. The City has not verified if the property has changed since the last
application and the hardcover is used for trading for additional structure.
Kathryn Alexander, the architect, said the property is the same as existed when the
original permits were issued.
• Jabbour said his point referred to other situations.
Peterson expressed her surprise that the residence was able to be built originally.
Jabbour indicated that it was approved just prior to the current zoning ordinances.
Jabbour moved, Flint seconded, to approve Resolution No. 4003. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
( * #5) #2311 LOREN FRITZ, 3845 NORTH SHORE DRIVE - VARIANCE -
RESOLUTION NO. 4004
Mr. Fritz was present.
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4004. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
( * #6) #2313 TOM AND KARI STEINKE, 910 DAKOTA AVENUE - VARIANCE -
RESOLUTION NO. 4005
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4005. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
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( #7) HARDCOVER POLICY RESOLUTION NO. 4006 •
Gaffron reported that the City has had a hardcover ordinance since 1975 but has never
formally adopted policies for its administration. He indicated that informal policies have
evolved through the years and are analyzed in Exhibit B. Gaffron noted that, in his
opinion, the City has placed too much emphasis on micro - managing hardcover on
individual lots, he has drafted a resolution at the Council's request that begins to
formalize a few of the hardcover policies that have been established. The resolution
includes a number of background statements and findings, defines a list of items that are
hardcover, establishes that some are "structural" and some are "non - structural ", defines
any plastic or fabric in the 0 -75' zone as non - conforming, declares that any plastic or
fabric contributing to a hardcover excess in other zones is non - conforming, and requires
the removal of non - conforming plastic or fabric prior to acceptance of an application for
hardcover variance.
Gaffron acknowledged that the resolution formalizes a few of the policies that have been
established, but is not comprehensive. Gaffron reviewed the findings established in the
resolution on pages 2 and 3. The goal of #6 addresses the issue that has occurred where
the City receives applications where hardcover calculations include rock and plastic
placed without needing a permit but resulting in a violation of the code. It results in a
perceived reduction in hardcover when the rock and plastic is eliminated by the applicant
who proposes adding structure to the property. Gaffron said this is not a reasonable way
to show a trade -off in hardcover by applicants. Variances are only to be allowed when •
hardships are shown requiring the necessity.
Gaffron said the ordinance was drafted to help the public understand the hardcover
policy and for the Council to formally accept the policies. The ordinance will make any
plastic or fabric found in the 0 -75' setback nonconforming, regardless of how it got
there. Plastic or fabric in other zones will be non - conforming if the hardcover limit is
exceeded. Gaffron noted that the requirement of removing the plastic or fabric prior to
making application will be problematic during the winter months. The hardcover
calculations stated at time of application will reflect the hardcover after removal of any
plastic or fabric.
Jabbour suggested the removals be required prior to receiving a building permit, which
would eliminate the problem with requiring the plastic or fabric to be removed during
the winter months prior to application being made. Jabbour thought this would be a
reasonable remedy to the problem. Jabbour cited the reasoning behind the policy as it
was originally drafted. He noted the vision of those people whose goal was to eliminate
any hardcover in the 0 -75' setback except for stairs and erosion control.
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• ( #7 - Hardcover Policy Resolution- Continued)
Flint expressed his appreciation of the background work provided by staff. Flint said he
has concluded, however, that the whole issue should be restated rather than in a piece-
meal fashion as has occurred in the past. Flint said he appreciated the discussion of
other issues as well, citing leaving the natural vegetation buffer adjacent to the
lakeshore. Flint said he is concerned with focusing on hardcover and becoming blind to
the big picture. He asked that the rules be restated.
Jabbour indicated having attended recent Planning Commission meetings, and he
believes the Commission is doing an excellent job of reviewing the issues. He believes
the increasing hardcover percentages and eliminating variances would not be a good
solution. Jabbour felt if hardcover limits were increased, it would not eliminate
variances but people will want to keep adding more and pushing the limit. He indicated
problems with hardcover percentages found in other communities, and he remains
satisfied with the 25% hardcover allowed in Orono.
Jabbour indicated the importance of determining the reasoning and findings behind
resolutions that have been adopted in the past. He suggested this policy be adopted for
use as a guideline and amended in the future to reflect changes that become necessary.
Jabbour said he is attempting that this be resolved at the Council level since the final
decisions are made by Council.
Peterson expressed appreciation of the work performed by Gaffron on this issue. She
asked how the public will be informed of the policies.
Gaffron said he would include the resolution in all application packets. He said the
resolution will formalize and clarify what has been the policy and what has been
administered over the last 22 years. Gaffron said the information can also be passed on
through a newsletter or newspaper article.
Flint asked about holding a series of work sessions to discuss the broader issues.
Jabbour agreed with the idea of holding work sessions and using a committee as part of
the update of the Comprehensive Plan. He felt a sub - committee should be established to
begin the discussions. Flint suggested this policy be adopted and work begun on the
Comprehensive Plan.
Jabbour indicated that changes in staff have resulted in less background being known by
staff. This policy will be a good instrument to assist in facilitating applications.
There were no public comments.
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( #7 - Hardcover Policy Resolution- Continued) •
Flint cited the Olsen application and suggested an additional way to address hardcover in
the 0 -75' setback be through Best Management Practices. The problem arises if the
absolute is removed and circumstances are taken into account. Flint said he is trying to
address the broader issue. Moorse indicated that the policy here is only addressing
plastic.
Jabbour said he feels there is no need for plastic or fabric but if a house addition is
desired and a hardship can be demonstrated, the applicants can be asked to offset the
additional structure through use of the Best Management Practices. Jabbour expressed
his frustration with rock and plastic being added before an application is made and then
used as a trade to offset the proposed structure. Jabbour said costs can also be saved in
surveying work by not having to calculate rock and plastic in the 0 -75' setback. The
applicants can then offset additional structure by other means.
Flint said his concern is that the ordinance is not doing what it is meant to do. Flint cited
the example of his own property where nothing is allowed in the 0 -75' setback of a
peninsula area where the entire peninsula is in the 0 -75' setback. Flint said he will
support this policy but would still like to review the broader issues.
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4006 with the change as noted
to reflect removal of rock and plastic from the 0 -75' setback to be conducted prior to •
issuance of the building permit.
Planning Commissioner Stoddard was asked for any comment. Stoddard thought it
would be helpful to receive information and demonstration by landscapers regarding a
permeable weed barrier that could be used to keep weeds under control. While
understanding the importance of the 0 -75' setback, Stoddard feels the use of a geo -tech
fabric should be allowed for maintaining slopes when a house is located far back on the
property. He suggested a joint work session be held to discuss this. Jabbour noted that
geo -tech fabric is controversial in its benefit and feels the best solution is to leave the
natural vegetation.
Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
Staff was informed that the Council would like to further discuss the issues.
(Mayor /Council Report follows item #9.)
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MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 24,1997
. ENGINEER REPORT
( * #8) CHANGE ORDER NO.3 - NORTH BROWN ROAD
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to approve Change Order No. 3, Brown Road North
MSA Project to substitute at no change in cost concrete valley curb and gutter for B618
concrete curb and gutter. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
( #9) SPRING HILL GOLF CLUB - TUNNEL AGREEMENT
Spring Hill Golf Club Attorney, Tom Crosby, and Project Manager, Tim Johnson, were
present.
Gaffron reported that Spring Hill representatives have initiated contact with Hennepin
County regarding the possibility of a direct agreement between Spring Hill and the
County for the County Road 6 tunnel as opposed to the'City entering into a cooperative
agreement with the County regarding responsibility for the tunnel, and applicants
agreeing to accept all reassigned responsibilities via a similar agreement between Orono
and Spring Hill. This would eliminate the City acting as the "middleman" between
Spring Hill and the County as is stipulated in the conditional use permit. The County
• Attorney has reviewed the request and feels the culvert should be in public ownership
but is open to hearing from the City as to what they desire.
Jabbour said Council Member Peterson had expressed a concern regarding whether the
issue should be reviewed by the full Council.
Crosby explained the reasoning behind this request. He indicated that it had been
understood that the manner in which the tunnel could be built and operated had to be as
agreed on. When discussing other issues, it was found that the same responsibilities
would be required whether the contract was with the City or the County. It was
determined that there were other circumstances in the County where underpasses have
been constructed and maintained without city involvement but done directly with the
County. Crosby said he contacted the County, who said they did not want to get into a
political maelstrom with the City. Crosby told them he would speak with the City
regarding this possibility.
Crosby said from Spring Hill's standpoint, it was a legal concern whether the County has
the ability to assess if Spring Hill does not perform what was set out to be accomplished.
It was found that there is a policy in place that allows this to occur. The agreement will
remain the same. Crosby said he does not feel strongly about the ownership of the
tunnel viewing it as a technical issue.
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( #9 - Spring Hill Golf Club Tunnel Agreement - Continued) •
Jabbour informed Crosby that he feels it is advantageous for the City not to be involved
with the tunnel. He believes that Kelley and Goetten most likely feel the same way.
Crosby felt the agreement answers the procedural position of Jabbour but not Flint's
substantive position.
Jabbour said he questioned why the City should be involved in the tunnel if the public is
unable to use it.
Flint agreed that the ability for Spring Hill to work directly with the County solves the
problem. Flint said he could not see the City being on the chain of title if no benefit is
received by the City. He said work on the trail can be conducted separately.
Crosby indicated that he is not yet in the position to say whether this agreement can be
made but needed to determine whether the City would approve Spring Hill making a
direct agreement with the County. Crosby said he does not know at this time whether
the County will approve a direct agreement.
Moorse said the County seems to be receptive to reviewing the matter but thought there
should be some public ownership involved.
Peterson concurred that she would prefer that the City not be involved in the tunnel and
supports Hennepin County pursuing a direct agreement.
Flint moved, Peterson seconded, to give support to a direct tunnel agreement between
Spring Hill and Hennepin County, eliminating City involvement. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
Tim Johnson reported that more trees have been planted, the irrigation and drainage is
60% completed, resulting in being substantially ahead of schedule. The maintenance
building is currently under construction.
Crosby said a split rail fence has been constructed along County Road 6 on the eastern
end for winter security to eliminate snowmobilers from entering the property.
Flint asked when the trail construction would begin. Johnson said it depends on the
weather. If there is a cold spring and other work is held up, Johnson said the trail
construction may begin then or otherwise be started and completed next fall.
Johnson informed Peterson that the same target date for opening is being held.
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0 MAYORICOUNCIL REPORT
Jabbour reported a resident was questioning maintenance of the Brown Road trail during
the winter months. The resident said he was informed during construction that this
would occur. Moorse said trails have never been maintained during the winter. Flint
noted the City lacks the equipment for doing so.
Flint noted that residents on Ferndale road were interested in the trail being maintained
along that road. Plymouth representative had said that they maintain a large percentage
of trails during the winter and prioritize what trails remain open. No comments had been
made regarding the Orono trails at that time.
Jabbour said residents should receive answers to questions that are asked. Gappa said he
received one call from Thomas Lane regarding trail maintenance. Jabbour indicated that
Mr. Lane was the person he had spoken with and asked Gappa to inform Lane of the
policy and the reason behind Lane's request for maintenance. Council agreed that Lane
should be informed of the policy regarding no winter maintenance of trails.
Flint said he would prefer to keep the trails open in the long run but noted the City does
not have the personnel or equipment to maintain it on a day -to -day basis.
Jabbour reported he attended a meeting with a representative of the MCWD, a Mn/DOT
• representative, Orono City Administrator Moorse, City Administrator of Long Lake, and
past Mayor, Ed Callahan, regarding agreements between Mn/DOT and the Watershed
District. Jabbour felt the meeting was positive. Discussion was held regarding density
levels, impacts on the Watershed, and changes to the water elevation on Lake
Minnetonka, and the increase projected for the lake and flood plain. Jabbour felt the
Watershed District and City had alot of common ground.
Jabbour said Gaffron had indicated the Met Council felt the City should have a 2 unit per
acre density by the year 2020. Gaffron said the Met Council would apparently like to
see development between now and 2020 average 2 units per acre in Orono.
Jabbour feels the Watershed District will concur with the City regarding density.
Jabbour expressed the importance of the work by Mayor Callahan on issues facing the
City noting his insight and ability, and the continuity he provides.
Jabbour reported that he has been speaking with Park Chair Wilson and Moorse
regarding park plans.
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Gaffron distributed a document relating information from the Met Council. Flint asked
for an explanation. Gaffron indicated the report deals with growth strategy policies, land
use data, and transportation within the city as the basis of updating the Comprehensive
Plan. Gaffron said he is attempting to determine how the conclusions regarding growth
assumptions were made. He does not feel it is reflective of what has occurred in the city,
not what is currently planned.
Jabbour said past density has been based on availability of sewer and is well founded.
Jabbour feels this argument should be continued. Jabbour feels consideration should be
given to sewering 2 acre zoning without requiring the zoning to change. He indicated
the impact on the Watershed must be used as reasoning to maintain density levels.
Jabbour cited example of the changes in water levels on Lake Minnetonka. The
proposed rejuvenation of the lake from the drought years was anticipated to be 20 years
but was only 2 years.
( * #10) FUNDING FOR PLANNING INTERN THROUGH DECEMBER
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to approve additional hours for the planning intern
through the month of December at a cost of $1,000 to be funded from the Contingency
Account. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
( * #11) PROPOSED 1998 FEE SCHEDULE - ORDINANCE AMENDMENT
(INFORMATION ONLY)
No action requested at this time.
( * #12) 1998 MEETING SCHEDULE
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to approve the 1998 Meeting Schedule. Vote: Ayes 3,
Nays 0.
( * #13) CERTIFICATION OF DELINQUENT UTILITIES AND GENERAL
SERVICE FEE - RESOLUTION NO. 4007
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to adopt Resolution No. 4007, providing for the
collection of delinquent 1997 charges for sewer and water utility services, fees for the
annual septic inspection and recycling programs, and general service fees for false
alarms and developers improvement fees. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
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( * #14) REQUEST TO ESTABLISH DRUG FORFEITURE FUND
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to authorize the City to establish the Drug/Felony
Forfeiture Fund, a Special Revenue Fund, as of January 1, 1997, by an operating transfer
of $8,347.18 from the General Fund to the Drug/Felony Forfeiture Fund; to amend the
operating transfer in or out budget of each fund by a like amount; and to reallocate the
related year to date revenues, and expenditures from the General Fund to the
Drug/Felony Forfeiture Fund, with appropriate budget amendments. Vote: Ayes 3,
Nays 0.
( 915) PARK COMMISSION VACANCY
Moorse updated the Council on Park Commission positions. The term for James White
will expire December 31, 1997, and authorization was requested from Council to contact
White regarding his interest in continuing to serve.
Peterson felt it would be appropriate to contact White. Flint agreed noting Park
Commissioners gain expertise that benefit extending their service time. The excellent
performance of White was noted.
Moorse said he would contact White regarding renewing his term on the Commission.
is Moorse reported that a position on the Park Commission is open due to David Beal
moving out of the City. Moorse asked the Council for direction on how to proceed with
filling the vacancy and what time line should be followed. Council directed Staff to
provide applications from the most recent selection process for Council review.
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( #16) QUOTATIONS ON CANOPY FOR PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING
Moorse reported that quotations were being sought to construct a canopy over the
entrance to the Public Works Building. The initial quotes were higher than expected.
Gappa said redesign work has been done and quotations have not yet been received.
Jabbour asked that the Council review the design before bids are sent out. Gappa said
the plan and costs will be presented to Council at the December 8 meeting.
CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
City Attorney Barrett suggested discussion be held due to threatened litigation on park
dedication fees. Mayor Jabbour adjourned the meeting to Executive Session.
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( * #17) LICENSES
1998 LIQUOR AND BEER
ONE DAY RAFFLE - RESOLUTION NO. 4008
Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to approve the following licenses and Resolution No.
Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
On Sale Liquor & Sunday Jimmies Lounge
3380 Shoreline Drive
Off Sale Liquor 12 Hi Liquor
2160 West Wayzata Boulevard
Navarre Liquors Inc.
3421 Shoreline Drive
Club & Sunday Wayzata Country Club
200 Wayzata Boulevard
Club Woodhill Country Club
200 Woodhill Road
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On Sale 3.2 Beer Orono Golf Course
265 Orono Orchard Road
Lakeview Golf of Orono, Inc.
405 North Arm Drive
Off Sale 3.2 Beer O'Sullivans
2420 Shadywood Road and
3340 Shoreline Drive
Orono Self Service
2160 West Wayzata Boulevard
On & Off Sale 3.2 Beer Navarre Bowling Lanes
3435 Shoreline Drive
One Day Gambling Orono Hockey Boosters, Inc.
January 18, 1998
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Peterson moved, Flint seconded, to approve payment of the All Funds Account. Vote:
Ayes 3, Nays 0.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned to Executive Session at 8:17 p.m.
Gabri Jabbour, Mayor
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