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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
ROLL
The Orono City Council met on the above-mentioned, date with the following members present: Mayor
Barbara Peterson; Council Members Bob Sansevere, Jim Murphy, Jim White, and Lili McMillan; City
Attorney Rolfe Worden; Representing Staff were City Administrator Ron Moorse, Planning Director
Mike Gaffron, Planners Janice Gundlach and Melanie' Curtis; Engineer Tom Kellogg, Public Service
Director Greg Gappa, and Recorder Jackie Young.
Mayor Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m'., followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
CONSENT AGENDA
1. APPROVE /AMEND
Items 5, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 were added to the
Murphy moved, White seconded, to approve the
• VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
*2. REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF
Murphy moved, White seconded, to approve the z
meeting as submitted. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
PRESENTATION
3. HENNEPIN COUNTY REGIONAL
CORRIDOR) — RESOLUTION NO. 5386
Marcia Wilda and Jessica DeLatts, Hennepin C
Hennepin County Commissioner, were present.
Agenda.
Agenda as amended.
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Regional Railroad Authority, and Linda Koblick,
Marcia Wilda, Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority, addressed the City Council regarding
private encroachments onto the Dakota Rail Corridor right -of -way. Wilda indicated the HCRRA is in the
•process of updating their policy regarding private use of the corridor right -of -way and would like to gain
input from the public regarding the policy. ,I
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m. r
(Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority, Continued)
A brief video was shown illustrating portions of the Dakota Rail Corridor and the increasing number of
encroachments into the right -of -way. The Hennepin County Board formed the HCRRA in 1980 and its
mission is to acquire abandoned railroad corridors and preserve them for future transportation uses.
HCRRA is one of several agencies within Minnesota that was established to preserve rail corridors and its
policy must be updated to clearly identify what interim uses are or are not acceptable. An unauthorized
use means that an adjacent property owner is using the Railroad Authority's property without permission
and without a written agreement.
The HCRRA assists the state of Minnesota in transit planning, preliminary engineering, and community
participation, but its primary role is to continue to acquire railroad corridors for future transportation uses.
The HCRRA first purchased in 1981 a 15 -mile corridor from Hopkins to Victoria, and the Railroad
Authority has since acquired a number of other corridors. The Railroad Authority currently owns 57
miles of rail corridor, 11 park and ride sites, and three depot buildings. It was noted that many
recreational trails along the corridors have been constructed as interim uses. The Railroad Authority
cannot, by statute, construct or operate recreational trails. The trails that are currently in existence along
the corridors have been constructed by park agencies. The trail corridor is typically 100 feet wide, with
the actual trail being 16 feet wide. The park agency is responsible for maintaining the trail and the •
HCRRA is responsible for maintaining the remainder of the corridor.
Hennepin County Regional Authority's current policy states very clearly that unauthorized uses are not
allowed. These private uses must either be terminated or formalized through a written agreement with the
Railroad Authority. The lease agreements grant exclusive rights to the adjacent property owners to use
the corridor for specified purposes and for a specified time period. Depending on the terms of the
agreement, property owners have been permitted in the past to add structural improvements such as
fences and pavement. It was noted that rent is charged to the property owner for the exclusive use of the
land. Many of the agreements have been assumed from the railroads by the HCRRA and have been
allowed to continue.
Another way that the HCRRA allows approved uses is through a landscape permit. Current landscape
permits allow a property owner to beautify the area with plantings, but the property owner is not allowed
to erect fences, mow grass, install pavement or park cars, and the permitted area must be open to the
public. A one -time fee is charged for a landscape permit.
Wilda indicated unauthorized uses are increasing. In addition, new residential development has created
more properties along the corridors and more uses are being added. Signs have been erected delineating
the corridors. Unauthorized uses create issues with enforceability, liability, aesthetics, and other issues.
The Railroad Authority's policy regarding unauthorized uses is being reviewed. Written agreement for
approved uses designate who is responsible when problems occur.
The Authority's goal is to establish clear guidelines to eliminate unauthorized uses in a fair manner. The
Authority is also looking at whether a landscaping plan should be implemented along the various •
corridors.
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
(Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority,
Gabriel Jabbour, Orono, indicated he has been world
the Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority f(
of the HCCRA has been extremely helpful. Jabbour
HCRRA understand how vital the trail is.
White stated he also has worked with Wilda on a real
the corridor in one section and complemented the HC]
;, along with the Orono City Administrator, with
the past several years. Jabbour indicated the staff
ated it is important that the City Council and the
: development project regarding the width of
staff for their efforts.
Sansevere inquired whether Marcia Wilda would be the contact person regarding questions or issues the
residents may have. 'I
Wilda stated she is the contact person. Wilda stated she can be reached at 612- 348 -8537.
Julie Lofrano, 3365 Crystal Bay Road, indicated they have a garden located ten feet from the corridor,
and inquired whether they could obtain a lease to continue to use that land.
Wilda stated the corridor typically is 100 feet but is a little narrower in the area of the Lafayette Club.
Is Wilda indicated it is possible that the HCRRA will write a temporary lease to continue to allow that use.
Ann O'Riley, 3349 Crystal Bay Road, inquired whether the setback and amount of land would change.
Wilda stated the policy is not updated enough to deal I ith what is currently happening along the trail and
that the HCRRA is interested in obtaining public comment regarding possible changes to their policy.
O'Riley inquired whether they would be able to lobby�for a change in the setback.
Wilda stated the HCRRA will not be selling any of the corridor but that there is the possibility of having
interim uses of the corridor through leases or landscape permits.
O'Riley inquired whether the policy would apply to
house by house.
Wilda stated they would not be going house to house
the entire length of corridor. Wilda stated the HCRR
acceptable. Wilda indicated leases are based on the r
may deal with sections of the corridor in categories, i
is looking for input at this time from the public.
entire corridor or whether it would be determined
ith the policy but that it would be consistent along
would be determining which uses would be
rket value of the property. Wilda stated the policy
idential versus commercial, and that the HCRRA
Wilda pointed out the property belongs to the Railroad Authority and the goal is that no one would be
allowed to do anything on the Railroad Authority's property without a written agreement.
• Jane Price, 3393 Crystal Bay Road, questioned w]
the Railroad Authority's property at the time they
existing structures or sheds that were located on
ased the property would need to be removed.
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m. •
(Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority, Continued)
Price stated she does not feel the shed is her responsibility since it was there prior to her purchase of the
property and the land belongs to the Railroad Authority.
Wilda stated if the property owner does not want to claim the structure, the Railroad Authority could have
it removed.
Joe LoFrano, 3365 Crystal Bay Road, stated he has a steel structure that he believes belonged to the
railroad at one time. LoFrano stated he has a concern with the walking trail. LoFrano noted he has 50
feet from the trail to his house and expressed concern regarding theft.
Wilda stated the Railroad Authority is not involved with construction or operation of the trail but that
Three Rivers does the construction of the actual trail. Wilda stated in some instances buffers are
considered when the residence is in close proximity to the trail. Wilda pointed out she deals with
unauthorized uses of the corridor and not construction of the trail. Wilda indicated the number for Three
Rivers 763 -559 -6761 and the contact person is Boe Carlson.
A resident inquired if a fence could be constructed at the 50 -foot mark.
Wilda stated a fence can be constructed on the private land, but that she cannot guarantee that the
railroad's property is exactly 50 feet along the entire corridor. Wilda noted signs denoting the corridor
have been erected on a large number of properties.
McMillan inquired whether the signs are located on both sides of the corridor.
Wilda stated they are attempting to install one on every other property on both sides of the corridor.
Mark Zagaria, 3295 Crystal Bay Road, inquired how road crossings would be handled.
Wilda stated the existing road crossings have been discussed with City Staff and that all the crossings will
remain to her understanding.
Kathleen Melin, 3309 Crystal Bay Road, inquired about a driveway easement.
Wilda explained that there is a stretch along Crystal Bay Road where property owners do not have access
to their garages except on a road that is located on the Railroad Authority's property and that they are
recommending a temporary easement or agreement be signed allowing access to those properties.
Tom Anderson, 3349 Crystal Bay Road, questioned the need for a 50 feet right -of -way, and suggested
that the property owners be given the ability to use the extra land until such time as light rail transit is
constructed.
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
(Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority,
Wilda stated sheds would be considered an exclusive use and would be encompassed under a lease and
that gardens would probably fall under a landscape permit. Wilda stated she does not at this time know if
those policies will be adopted.
Mayor Peterson inquired whether the residents along the trail would be given notice of the public hearing
to be scheduled later this year.
Wilda stated notice of the public meeting would be given to each of the individual cities with a request
that the residents be notified of the meeting.
Linda Koblick, Hennepin County Commissioner, stated Hennepin County is interested in preserving these
corridors for future transportation and that HCRRA's policies need to be updated. Koblick stated they do
work with the cities to enforce violations and that they are interested in adopting policies that will work
for most properties. Koblick stated the public hearing` will likely be held at the end of the year and a vote
will be taken on the policy once it is developed. Koblick stated they would like to get the input of the
public on what the policy should be relating to acceptable uses.
•Murphy noted the City Council has a resolution supporting the Railroad Authority and the HCRRA
maintaining authority over the corridor. Murphy stated to his experience right -of -way is a legal term that
is bound in law and that leases and easements need to be entered into if there is any encroachment with
that right -of -way. Murphy noted the Luce Line is located on Excel's land, which does give the city
precedence. ,I -
Murphy stated it is important for the Railroad Authority to be able to control this right -of -way, noting that
if this corridor is not preserved, it will not be available in the future. Murphy stated the City has to guard
against that corridor disappearing and that in his opinion the Railroad Authority is being prudent in its
planning. '1
Mayor Peterson read the proposed Resolution. I
White moved, McMillan seconded, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 5386, a Resolution regarding the
use of the Dakota Rail Corridor. VOTE: Ayes 5, .i Nays 0.
Peterson stated the residents would be notified of the public hearing.
Sansevere inquired what the average width of lots are along this corridor.
A resident indicated they range between 50 to 75
Gabriel Jabbour requested the residents be told an average price that they could be charged for an
agreement.
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
(Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authority, Continued)
Wilda stated she is guessing the property in Orono would be valued at approximately $7.00 per square
foot as the market rate and that they are looking at charging seventy cents per square foot to lease the
property per year.
(Recess taken from 8:11 p.m. to 8:19 p.m.)
PARK COMMISSION COMMENTS — PAUL PESEK, REPRESENTATIVE
Pesek stated the Park Commission is compiling a tree ordinance, looking at the possibility of creating a
dog park in Navarre or at the Zero Gravity Skate Park, and training for every commissioner. Pesek
commented that the Planning Commission does not seem to have a clue of what is going on in Orono.
Pesek indicated the Park Commission is also in the process of reviewing their maintenance budget and
will be submitting it to the Council for their review in the near future.
Murphy inquired how the Park Commission is going to determine the demand for a dog park. •
Pesek stated the dog park would cost approximately $12,000 and that in his opinion the City should just
go ahead and build it and see if it gets utilized.
PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS — TRAVIS WINKEY, REPRESENTATIVE
Winkey had nothing to report but indicated he would be available for questions.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
Adam LaFavre, 1535 Bohns Point Road, stated they have some issues dealing with a gate they would like
to install on their property and that they would like to get this situation resolved.
Gundlach noted this issue was discussed at the last City Council work session and that the City's
ordinance currently does not specifically address the height of the gate between monuments. Gundlach
indicated the Council discussed changing the code to read six feet as the maximum height of a gate.
Gundlach stated there is a middle piece on the LaFavre's gate that does not meet the six feet restriction
and that the party's contractor has been notified of the six -foot height restriction.
Gundlach stated currently the city's ordinance allows a gate that is 42 inches in height and that the
Council has agreed to increase it to six feet. The ordinance cannot be changed until a public hearing is
held, which probably will not be until November. Gundlach noted the gates have been installed.
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p.m.
LaFavre stated the gates have been custom made and that they have pictures of approximately 20
residences that have gates in Orono. LaFavre stated he would like the gates for protection, and inquired
what he needs to do in order to comply with the City's regulations.
Gaffron stated this issue probably would not be resolved until January or February.
Sansevere stated the safety factor was probably the
gate height to six feet.
Peterson stated a public hearing would be scheduled
regarding the height of gates, but that the City is not
Gaffron stated the earliest a variance application
ordinance has been formally adopted.
LaFavre inquired whether the other gate could be
would like to have the gates installed for safety re
Sansevere suggested the property owner speak with
be reduced down to six feet.
Peterson inquired whether the other gate could be
fact.
factor for increasing the maximum allowed
the Planning Commission in November
:ing the gates be removed at this time.
d be made would be the end of January after the
it
and made operational. LaFavre indicated they
manufacturer of the gate to see if the gate could
and whether it would be considered after -the-
Gaffron stated it sounds like there are two entrances with two sets of gates, which Staff was not aware of,
but would reference the submitted plans. i
LaFavre stated there are two driveways into the
second gate is a little over seven feet tall.
Sansevere inquired whether the gate would be seven
LaFavre's contractor stated the panels of the gate are
Sansevere suggested in the-future the contractor
starting any work in Orono.
Peterson stated Staff was not aware that there were
LaFavre's contractor indicated he did submit plans
Peterson recommended the contractor contact Staff
, but indicated the other gate is smaller and the
high from ground level.
feet tall.
the City regarding height restrictions prior to
separate entrances with two separate gates.
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the two entrances and the two gates.
to try to resolve some of the issues.
MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
4. #05 -3080 INTERSPACE WEST, 2060 WAYZATA BOULEVARD WEST —
PUD/DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL — DOCUMENTS AND RESOLUTION NO. 5387
Phillip and Gina Carlson, and Jeff Tropsik, Engineer, were present.
Gundlach stated the City Council reviewed this application at their last meeting, with the application
being tabled to allow the City Engineer and appropriate city staff to review the revised StormTech
stormwater plan. The applicants are requesting final PUD approval to construct ten units of office
condomiums on ten lots.
After a comprehensive review of the StormTech plan, Staff and the City Engineer have determined that
due to the continued maintenance required and the existence of an alternate, more efficient plan, it was
not in the best interest of the City to allow the StormTech system and the applicants instead will be using
the MN/DOT pond located at the northwest corner of Brown Road and Highway 12.
Murphy moved, Sansevere seconded, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 5387, a Resolution granting
general development plan approval for planned unit development NO. 2C for Interspace -West,
Inc., including approving the Preliminary and Final Plat of Amber Woods Office Centre, Vacating
Existing Drainage & Utility Easements and adoption of the PUD No. 2C Ordinance and
Development Contract. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
*5. #05 -3115 WJM PROPERTIES, LLC, 2605 WAYZATA BOULEVARD WEST —
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT — RESOLUTION NO. 5388
Murphy moved, White seconded, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 5388, a Resolution Granting a
Conditional Use Permit and an Amendment to the Existing Industrial Site Plan Approval for the
property located at 2605 West Wayzata Boulevard. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
6. #05 -3121 NARROWS SALOON, 3382 SHORELINE DRIVE — CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT
Cindy Sudheimer, Applicant; Sylvia Frank, Architect; and Jim Benshoof, Parking Consultant, were
present.
Gaffron stated the applicants are requesting city approval for an expansion of the Narrows Saloon in
Navarre and a conditional use permit. They are currently operating a conditional use permit granted in
2000. The applicants are requesting an amendment of the existing conditional use permit to allow a 50'
by 44' interior expansion of the bar /restaurant into the spaces previously occupied by a dry cleaner and
Jul Ann Hair Fashions. In addition, the applicants are requesting an amendment of the existing
conditional use permit to allow outdoor seating at the rear of the building, adjacent to the City owned
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
parking lot but within the applicant's property, measuring 837 square feet in area or approximately 32
additional seats.
The Planning Commission initially reviewed this application and held a public hearing on June 20, 2005,
at which time the application was tabled and the applicants were advised to revise plans. The Planning
Commission subsequently reviewed a revised plan and held a second hearing on July 18, 2005, at which
time the application was again tabled with the applicant given additional direction to provide further
revisions and to provide a study of the parking situation.
A third hearing before the Planning Commission on the application was held on September 19, 2005, at
which time the Planning Commission voted 7 -0 to recommend approval of a conditional use permit for
expansion of the saloon subject to the following:
1. The outside seating area at the rear of buildin ; be limited to 837 square feet and no more than
32 seats.
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2. Hours of operation for outside seating: No seating or alcohol to be allowed in outside area after
40 10:00 p.m. Sunday through Thursday evenings, 11:00 p.m. on Friday and Saturday evenings.
This area would be open to smoking only after those hours.
3. There shall be no amplication or speakers outside the building, nor in the outdoor seating area, to
limit any outdoor noise impacts.
4. The easterly access door to the outside seating area from the restaurant, shall not be bifold but
shall be a self - closing door to eliminate direct noise /music impacts to the outside area.
5. Conditional use permit approval shall be subject to a specific written condition that the use be
reviewed after one year of operation.
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Gaffron stated the property is zoned B -1 Retail Sales Business District, with the proposed expansion of
the existing Class H Restaurant use requiring an amendment of the existing CUP. Gaffron noted the
expansion would not go outside the structure of the building except for the outdoor seating area.
Gaffron stated the existing restaurant use in this area appears to be consistent with the intent of the
Comprehensive Plan, which is to provide for commercial businesses that serve area residents. Gaffron
stated an issue has been raised during the public hearings whether the use after the proposed expansion
will be consistent with the City's policies and goals. Gaffron read the pertinent policy statements for
consideration by the Council.
Gaffron indicated the Planning Commission did discuss the possible regional draw of the entertainment
aspects of the expanded use. Council should consider! whether the expansion may push the size or
•magnitude of the use beyond the scale that is compatible with the surrounding neighborhood. The
Planning Commission concluded that it would. I
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
Gaffron stated the hardcover for this site is at nearly 100 percent. The proposed bermed planting area
abutting the outdoor seating has the potential to reduce hardcover by approximately 150 square feet or
down to 98.9 percent. No new hardcover is being added, but the vestibule converts 88 square feet of
pavement to structure.
Gaffron pointed out Orono ordinances require that parking be provided at a rate of one stall per 80 square
feet of public floor area for a restaurant, cafe, bar, tavern, etc. Because the Narrows' property is relatively
small, only a small number of parking stalls currently are available on site, and this will be reduced to no
more than three to four stalls when the outdoor seating area is developed. The majority of the current and
future parking needs for the Narrows must be met offsite, primarily in the municipal lot behind the
property.
Gaffron stated the Navarre municipal parking lot was acquired and improved in 1964 -1965. The
businesses that back up to the parking lot were originally assessed for the improvements to it based on
their amount of frontage on a traveled street. The Narrows' site was assessed for 104.5 feet of frontage or
eight percent of the total frontage assessed. At the time of assessment, no commitments were made that
Staff can find that would apportion specific numbers of parking stalls to specific properties. We do know
that in 1983 the Council adopted Resolution No. 1594 that resulted from settlement of a claim by the
former owners of 2385 Shadywood Road and granted variances that would allow an office building
requiring credit of 26 parking stalls in the municipal lot. These variances were granted with a waiver of
the one -year expiration, so the potential may still exist for that property to lay claim to as many as 26
stalls.
As a result of concerns about whether the municipal lot has the capacity to serve the increased Narrows'
parking demand, Planning Commission directed the applicant to complete a parking analysis. The
applicant retained Benshoof & Associates, Inc., to conduct a parking study. The parking study aided in
addressing two key parking questions: one, is the existing number of parking stalls in the public parking
lot sufficient to accommodate the increased demand associated with the proposed saloon expansion; and
two, will sufficient spaces remain available in the public parking lot to serve users of other properties that
rely upon this parking lot.
The study reviewed the existing available parking and notes that 129 spaces are available in the municipal
lot with 30 additional spaces available on private properties that abut the lot. More importantly, the study
reviewed existing peak parking demand as well as future parking demand during the same peak times.
The peak times reviewed were the Friday noon period, Saturday noon period, and Saturday evening.
The existing peak demands at these noted time periods are 65 vehicles during the Friday noon period, 59
vehicles during the Saturday noon period, and 67 vehicles during the Saturday evening period.
The future demand, taking into consideration the Caribou Coffee use and the proposed Narrows
expansion as well as the other existing uses, was projected at 115 parking stalls during the Friday noon
period, 93 stalls during the Saturday noon period, and 122 stalls during the Saturday evening period.
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7:00 o'clock p.m.
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The conclusions of the study indicate there is adequate parking available and that there are 30 parking
stalls available on private property that were not included in the study but remain available for users of
the businesses, now and in the future; and the peak parking demand for the Narrows will be Saturday
evenings, when a very low parking demand is experienced for the other businesses.
The City's traffic consultant reviewed this parking sti
conclusions. One, the study did not address the parki .
municipal lot based on the square footages of particul
of parking lot usage at certain peak times. Two, the s
the other businesses might generate should they re -de
demand of the proposed expanded Narrows' operatioi
Gaffron stated the Council should consider the
1. How or whether use of the municipal lot
establish a fair apportionment;
• 2. Whether the fact that the striping is substan
many stalls would be lost by restriping it to
3. Whether the demands of an expanded
businesses and entities using the lot;
and provided a number of findings and
required by City code for the various users of the
uses. Rather, the study focused on actual counts
ly did not address the potential parking demand
lop, and how that correlates to the parking
ild be apportioned to the various users and how to
and is a factor in the functionality of the lot; how
t code;
will cause parking issues for the existing
4. Whether approval of an expanded Narrows' operation will ultimately limit the future expansion
or redevelopment of businesses that rely on the lot, or have negative impacts on the level of non -
business uses of the lot.
Gaffron stated the applicants have not proposed any additional signage. With the proposed expansion, the
applicant would now be permitted 112 square feet of total signage with a single sign not to exceed 50
square feet. . I
Gaffron indicated a number of concerns were raised during the public hearings and include the following:
liquor accessibility to outdoor patrons; control of patron overflow to parking lot or surrounding
neighborhood; noise impacts to neighborhoods to thejnorth and south from open doors, exterior speaker
systems, late night motorcycle traffic; overnight parking, and litter in the municipal lot. While a few of
these issues have been addressed by building design and site planning, other issues cannot be addressed
by building design and could potentially be addressed through conditions attached to the CUP or the
liquor license.
Gaffron stated the issue of whether the Narrows Saloon was in compliance with the 2000 Conditional Use
Permit was also discussed. The current CUP contains six specific conditions of approval:
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The applicant shall install a two -door system at the rear entrance to meet all State Building and
Fire Code standards. The purpose of the doors would be to allow customers to enter and exit the
building without allowing noise to leave the building. They should be spaced so one door would
close before the second door is opened. All doors shall remain closed at all times, except when
entering or existing the building.
2. Live entertainment will end at 12:30 a.m. each night and the Saloon shall close at 1:00 a.m. each
night.
3. The front door shall not be used as an entrance during the period of time the building is used for
live entertainment. A one -year time period is required for the applicant to monitor the use of the
building and the front entrance. After one year, the City of Orono will review the use of the
building in relation to the live entertainment and noise levels generated by the live entertainment
use.
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Gaffron noted there have been complaints received that the doors have been propped open and noise goes
out into the neighborhood. Gaffron stated this concern could be addressed by a different door design and
by the Narrows' management. •
4. The property is subject to the sign ordinance for temporary and permanent signs. No signs can be
located on or outside the building without receiving a permit from the City of Orono.
5. Noise shall be held to a level as to not be in violation of the Noise Ordinance.
6. The sale of intoxicating liquor requires the business have a valid liquor license with the City of
Orono.
Gaffron noted a history of the liquor license applications has been provided to Council. Gaffron indicated
the applicant would be required to apply for revisions to the current liquor license in conjunction with any
approved expansion.
Gaffron noted a moratorium was adopted by the City Council in July with respect to development in the
Navarre area. The Council indicated at the time the moratorium was adopted that the Narrows application
was not intended to be subject to the moratorium; however, the language of the moratorium ordinance
erroneously does not specifically exclude the Narrows, or any other properties, for which a zoning
application was made prior to the moratorium effective date.
Staff recommends the following issues be considered by the Council:
1. Is the proposed location of the use in accord with the objectives of the Zoning Code and the
purposes of the B -1 District and the Comprehensive Plan? 0
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2. Will the location of the proposed use and the proposed conditions under which it will be
operated or maintained be detrimental to the public health, safety welfare, or be materially
injurious to properties or improvements in the' vicinity?
3. Is the proposed use compatible with the surrounding business district and residential
neighborhoods? If not, what aspects of the use make it incompatible? What methods are
available to mitigate those aspects?
4. Is the proposed use supported by adequate infrastructure, primarily access and parking
availability? How will other users of the municipal lot be affected by the expansion? How might
the expansion affect future development or reinvestment in Navarre?
Mayor Peterson inquired whether the applicant had ai
Sudheimer stated she had nothing to add at this time 1
reflect the changes that were recommended.
to add at this time.
indicated they have revised their plans slightly to
Frank stated they have incorporated the requested changes, noting they have reoriented the trash area and
•converted the folding door from the restaurant out to the patio door to a swinging door. In addition, the
height of the wood fence was increased to six feet on !the plan. Frank displayed a revised plan depicting
the patio area and exterior of the rear of the building ;and the front of the building showing the plantings
along the street.
Sansevere stated he has a concern regarding the pai
Police Department back in March of 2004. Sansev,
in the Orono municipal lot at 1:15 a.m., which is in
Sansevere noted the plans identify a private party a.
area during the day.
Sudheimer stated that area was created to allow
the bar and the music.
g in the area, referencing a report from the Orono
stated the report mentions 60 to 70 vehicles parked
;ess of what the parking study indicates.
and inquired whether that is a normal restaurant
s to enjoy the restaurant without being exposed to
Sansevere stated it was his understanding that the restaurant area was going to be expanded but it appears
there is a larger area for music being created.
Sudheimer stated the area of the bar will still have that wall separating it from the restaurant area and that
the pool table might be eliminated. Sudheimer stated that area is separated from the bar.
Sansevere stated it was his impression the area from the pool table was open.
Sudheimer stated a doorway is being added and that the full wall is remaining. Sudheimer stated
wherever the tile ends is where the wall will remain and a portion will be open to serve as a doorway to
the bar.
McMillan commented it appears the wall would be partially removed.
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m. i
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
Frank stated she was asked to remove the wall on the plans to allow access by the waitresses. Frank
stated she could revise the plans to show that wall.
Sudheimer stated it is her intention to leave the majority of that wall.
Sansevere stated he still has a concern with the parking and future uses of the other occupants of the
buildings in that area.
Sudheimer stated all the neighboring business owners except one did sign a petition indicating they are in
support of the expansion.
Murphy stated he also has a concern with the adequacy of the parking in the area, noting that the new
Caribou Coffee will be creating a bigger demand for parking. Murphy stated the municipal parking lot is
being maxed out under this proposal and that the main entrance will continue to be the entrance off of the
parking lot, which exacerbates a whole series of issues detailed in the police chief's report received today.
Murphy stated there appears to be a considerable amount of activity that occurs in this area which
requires police department involvement.. •
Gaffron requested the report of the police chief be provided to the applicant and to staff.
Sudheimer indicated she has not seen the report.
Sansevere inquired whether this is normal amount of activity for this type of establishment.
Police Chief Good indicated she is not able to answer that.
Murphy stated parking is an important consideration in this application, but that the City's
Comprehensive Plan is a guide for this area and how the Navarre area should develop in the future.
Murphy stated he does not feel'this expansion will help create a pedestrian friendly environment.
Murphy stated another concern is the added draw of people to this establishment once the expansion is
completed. Murphy stated given the bands that are lined up to play at this establishment, there may be an
issue that people from outside the Navarre area will be drawn to this area and that it does not fit with what
the comprehensive plan calls for this area.
Frank stated in her view the parking lot is not as efficiently laid out as it could have been, noting that
there are a number of areas that could be more efficiently used, which would increase the number of
parking stalls.
Murphy pointed out the stalls are substandard in that lot. Murphy indicated he visited the hardware store .
this past weekend and had difficulty finding a place to park. Murphy stated there are a lot of four -wheel
drive vehicles with trailers that are taking up two spots.
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
Frank stated parking appears to be a big issue for the businesses in this area, and recommended that the
City review the layout of the parking lot.
Peterson indicated the number of stalls might decrease; if they are striped according to code.
Peterson stated she also concurs with Council Members Sansevere and Murphy regarding the parking in
this area, but that her biggest concern is the atmosphere of the community and how the Narrows Saloon
started as a neighborhood bar but is now turning into an establishment that is drawing from a wider
region. Peterson stated it might be time to consider relocating the Narrows Saloon where more parking is
available on site.
i
Sudheimer stated in her opinion this establishment willl continue to improve and attract more people.
Sudheimer stated any successful business is going to attract people whether the Narrows Saloon or
another business is located on this site and that the panting lot is going to be full.
Peterson stated noise from motorcycles is also a
•Sudheimer stated in the summertime motorcyclists drive out to the lake and that more motorcyclists
frequent Lord Fletchers than their establishment.
Murphy stated the type of clientele would change if the kind of music being played changed.
Sansevere stated he was under the impression that the expansion was being driven by the restaurant side
of the business.
Sudheimer stated it is difficult to tell from this print,
restaurant area.
McMillan inquired what the numbers would be for
is 145.
that there is a wall separating the bar from the
restaurant. McMillan noted the current occupancy
Frank stated for the restaurant 15 square feet per occupant is being taken into consideration. The building
consists of 698 square feet, for a total of 247 occupants for the entire building, which also includes the
outside seating area. Frank stated the storage and kitchen areas also have occupants that are included in
the calculation, which brings the total up to 265.
White stated parking management is one of the
City needs to do a better job of managing the p�
fairly with the parking even if it is a municipal
tant ways to help support businesses and that the
in this area. White stated everyone has to be treated
a lot.
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
White stated the Navarre area is undergoing some rapid changes and that the City is looking at future
development in this area. White stated the City has to plan carefully for the future of this area and that the
City at the present time has no alternative area designated for parking. White noted the Metropolitan
Council is requesting that the city increase the amount of transit parking spaces in their municipal lot and
that they are also considering other changes with the transit system for this area. White stated it is
difficult to allow one business to use up the majority of the parking when many issues are undetermined
at this point in time.
White commented the City has to deal with the Metropolitan Transit and the neighbors and that the bigger
picture needs to be taken into consideration. White noted that the report indicates that one business has
26 designated parking spaces, which needs to be dealt with.
Gaffron noted there is not a termination date listed in the resolution for those parking spaces.
White recommended the person be given 12 months to apply for a permit, and if no permit is applied for
during that time, that the right to use the parking spaces will terminate.
•
White reiterated the whole picture should be taken into account and that in his opinion it is too early in •
that process to approve this application.
McMillan inquired whether the type of music would change with the expansion.
Sudheimer stated at this time she does not plan to change the type of bookings, but noted that during the
week only two piece musicians are allowed and that the full bands are only booked on the weekends.
Sudheimer indicated she is trying to keep it more low key during the week as well as increase the food
sales.
McMillan stated the Council does have a concern with the music drawing people from outside the
Navarre area, which would change the Narrows Saloon from being a neighborhood bar into more of a
regional entertainment spot.
Sudheimer stated her focus is not the entertainment aspect.
McMillan inquired what the motivation is for the outdoor seating area.
Sudheimer stated with the smoking ban, people now stand or walk around the building smoking, and that
she is trying to confine them into one area. Sudheimer stated their business also decreases in the summer
because people like to sit outside. Sudheimer indicated since she purchased this property she has wanted
to have an outdoor seating area.
L.J
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ORONO CITY COX
Monday, Octo
7:00 o'cla
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
McMillan stated she has some concerns regarding:
will probably keep the people outside more than if
appreciates the efforts the applicants have gone thr
White inquired how the expansion would change the
Sudheimer stated it would depend on the day of the
she has approximately six employees and that she is
with the expansion.
McMillan inquired whether the exterior of the
Sudheimer stated she wanted to add some trees along
it more aesthetically appealing.
THE
�IL MEETING
-10,2005
p.m.
se from the outdoor area and that the seating area
:y just went outside to smoke. McMillan stated she
h to revise their application.
situation at this establishment.
Sudheimer indicated currently during the day
how many employees would need to be added
would be improved.
street and redo the front of the building to make
Sansevere inquired what the focus of this expansion is if it is not the music.
• Sudheimer stated they would like a bigger kitchen,
events like birthday parties and anniversaries.
•
Sansevere inquired whether there is any plan to scale
is rather loud at times, which is not always restaurant
Sudheimer stated she has been working with the
outdoor patio area, and additional room for special
the music aspect. Sansevere stated the music
technicians to try to decrease the noise level.
McMillan noted Staff has had to expend extra effort ii order to get the Narrows' liquor license renewed
each year.
Sudheimer stated she would be handling the liquor
past applications.
Murphy inquired why Mr. Anderst could not be
Sudheimer indicated he had to take care of other
in the future but that she could not speak to the
tonight.
Murphy commented he would have preferred that Anderst be present tonight. Murphy stated in his
opinion this expansion is trying to put too much on this site. Murphy stated the City has heard from a
large number of people from the neighborhood and t at they have a number of concerns regarding the
expansion.
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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
Sansevere stated the parking issue is a difficult item to overcome even if the music was diminished or
eliminated.
Sudheimer stated she understands the parking situation and that all the business owners rely on the public
lot for parking. Sudheimer stated any type of growth or development in that area is going to require
parking. Sudheimer commented any type of business that is successful at that location is going to require
parking.
White stated the City has to take into account the impact this expansion will have on the neighborhood
and that he would like to look at the entire area.
McMillan stated it is difficult to look favorably on expanding this business when there is no parking
available on site and that the majority of the parking is located within the municipal parking lot.
Sudheimer commented all the business owners in that area rely on the public parking lot and that the
previous businesses in that building also utilized that lot.
•
Evonne Paige, 3493 Crystal Place, stated the people who live on Lyric Avenue have lived there quite a •
while and have not complained about the parking. Page stated the increased number of seating would
mean an increased number of parking stalls needed. Page inquired whether the value of the homes on
Lyric would decrease if cars park on their street regularly. Page indicated the expansion does not fit into
the character of the neighborhood. Page stated she lives two blocks away and can hear the Narrows
Saloon some nights and Lord Fletchers some nights. Page questioned whether someone would want to
purchase her property if this expansion is allowed.
Sansevere stated he would not support parking along those streets and that parking would be disallowed
during those hours.
Murphy stated that would be an enforcement issue.
Lois Hudlow, 3438 Lyric Avenue, stated the City has put parking spaces along the edge of the park and
questioned whether anyone would be utilizing that parking from the bar. Hudlow stated she also has a
concern regarding her property values.
Chuck Nadler, 2509 Kelly Avenue, indicated he has resided in this area since 1984, and that in his view
this application should be denied because the expansion takes this establishment outside the character of
the neighborhood. Nadler stated the parking for all these businesses cannot be supported by city code.
Nadler commented he is happy that the City is addressing the future development of Navarre.
Dave Hardten, 2515 Kelly Avenue, stated the residents would like a sense of scale for the Navarre area
and the size of an establishment for this area. Hardten stated in his view this expansion is outside the .
scope of what is allowed under the B -1 zoning. Hardten stated in his opinion it would be difficult to
enforce the drinking on the outdoor patio area.
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MINUTES, OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
Syliva Bertagnoli, 2499 Kelly Avenue, indicated she resents the noise from the saloon and that her peace
and quiet is extremely important to her. Bertagnoli indicated she has paid taxes in Orono for the past 40
years and that she is glad the Council is listening to the residents of the area.
Thomas Lowe, 3295 Carman Road, inquired what the fire code capacity of the proposed building is,
including the outside seating. I
Gaffron stated the 265 would include the inside, the outside and the expansion. Gaffron inquired whether
that is the number that the fire marshal arrived at.
Sylvia Frank stated that is what has been calculated based on the square footage of the building. Frank
stated the occupancy for a restaurant is calculated at 115 square feet per occupant and storage is figured at
300 square feet. Frank stated it is unlikely there would be any occupants in the basement.
Murphy stated the 15 square feet per person has a lot "of different aspects and that at times it may exceed
the 265.
•Frank stated the building code tries to make a reasonable assessment of what the likely occupancy load
would be.
0
Marsha Freis, 2914 Casco Point Road, stated Monday through Thursday different acts are booked but
they are still national acts. Freis stated she used to waitress and that it is difficult to ask a party to move
after a certain hour and questioned whether the people in the outdoor seating area would go back inside
after 10:00. Freis stated the outdoor patio creates the�potential for loud conversations.
Freis pointed out the parking study was done on one weekend along with the noise study and does not
give a true picture.
Chris Johnson, 1200 Phillips Drive, stated in his vie vY the parking issues have been fairly well covered,
but noted he has the same concerns that have already been raised. Johnson indicated he is the owner of
the hardware store.
Sansevere inquired on a busy weekend day how
utilized by his customers.
Johnson stated approximately 15.
yof the spots in the municipal parking lot are
I
Police Chief Good stated the liquor license that was provided to the establishment is only good for the
space that was applied for at the time, which would necessitate the need for another liquor license
application. Good indicated she has not seen any paperwork for a new liquor license.
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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
( #05 -3121 Narrows Saloon, Continued)
Good stated the loud motorcycle complaints typically are not written up and that every arrest takes one to
two officers off the streets and that there might be a need to increase police resources if the expansion is
approved.
Sheryl Patten, 3405 Livingston Avenue, stated she has a concern with the noise and the motorcycles and
that the expansion will bring more people to the area, which will create even more noise.
Ward Edwards, 2474 Carman Street, thanked the Council for listening to the people.
Dick Edwards, 2480 Carman Street, stated he has lived there for 50 years and that the biggest problem is
the noise from the bar and the amount of motorcycles that frequent the Narrows Saloon. Edwards stated
the traffic in the area is a problem and concurred that the City needs to take a broader look at this area.
Murphy stated generally a six -foot fence does not surround outdoor seating and that there simply is not
enough room on this lot to accommodate what is being proposed. Murphy questioned whether this is
really a good location for outdoor seating.
Sansevere stated the outdoor seating area does not bother him but that he cannot overcome the parking •
issue. Sansevere stated in his opinion the music hurts the restaurant side of the business.
Sudheimer inquired whether she could have her application tabled to allow her to look at her options.
Murphy suggested the application be denied.
Sansevere stated he would not be opposed to tabling the application.
Gaffron stated the applicant would need to request an extension in writing before November 14`11
.
Sansevere moved, Peterson seconded, to table Application #05 -3121, Cindy Sudheimer and James
Anderst, Narrows Saloon, 3382 Shoreline Drive, at the request of the applicant. VOTE: Ayes 4,
Nays 1, Murphy opposed.
7. #05 -3136 TROY RROITZMAN,1860 SHORELINE DRIVE — VARIANCE AND
CONDITIONAL. USE PERMIT
Troy Broitzman, Applicant, was present.
Curtis stated this application was tabled at the September 26"' Council meeting, with the applicant being
directed to revise his plans to be a better fit into the character of the immediate neighborhood and into the •
character of the city as a whole. The applicant has proposed a slightly smaller home, with floor plans and
elevation drawings being submitted for a home with a 5,146 square foot footprint and a total square
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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
• 7:00 o'hock p.m.
( #05 -3136 Troy Broitzman, Continued)
footage of 12,014 square feet of livable space plus a 1,683.9 square foot attached garage. With this
revision, the applicant has indicated that by reducing the size of the footprint and removing the two -sided
walkout, the proposed site grading will be reduced.
Curtis noted the driveway has been relocated off of, Heritage Drive and the parking area on the west is
now located approximately 21 feet from the side lot'line, which allows for the appropriate screening.
The Planning ommission voted 3 -4 to recommendea roval of the lot width variance and to recommend
g .� Pp
approval of the conditional use permit based on the previous plans. This motion failed. A second motion
to approve the lot width variance and to deny the conditional use permit was made and passed 4 -3.
The applicant has revised the floor plans and elevation views of the proposed home. The applicant has
indicated that the proposed site grading will be reduced from the previous plan. If Council is satisfied
with the revised plans, the applicant should be directed to provide a revised survey reflecting the plans
along with a revised grading and drainage plan. The City Engineer should review this plan prior to final
variance and conditional use permit approvals. 'I
- I
Since the Planning Commission recommended deni
Council refer these revisions back to the Planning C
• would recommend that in order to allow ample time'
application should be referred to the November 215c
comfortable with the revisions of the house plans ar
application back to the Planning Commission, Staff
review the revisions in the survey, grading and draii
Sansevere stated he is in support of Staff's recomm�
Commission pending review by the City Engineer.
White inquired whether the amount of excavation
Curtis stated the applicant has indicated it has been
Staff has not seen formalized plans showing the red
White stated he likes the access off of Heritage Dri,
setback.
Gaffron demonstrated where the average lakeshore
the question becomes whether it is reasonable to us
setback. Gaffron stated there appears to be minima
_ owners.
Peterson concurred that this application should be s
}s' . •. inquired whether both walkouts have been eliminat
i1 of the previous plan, Staff would recommend the
ommission for their review. Additionally, Staff
for the city engineer to review the revisions, the
Planning Commission meeting. If the Council is
d wishes to grant approvals without referring this
would recommend the City Engineer be given time to
cage plans prior to the granting of final approvals.
tion to refer this application back to the Planning
the site has been reduced at all.
reduced with the revisions. Curtis stated
White inquired about the average lakeshore
etback would be located on this lot. Gaffron stated
the next property over as the average lakeshore
impact on the lake views of the adjoining property
back to the Planning Commission.. Peterson
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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m. •
( #05 -3136 Troy Broitzman, Continued)
Broitzman stated they have been.
Sansevere inquired what the grading would be reduced to.
Broitzman stated the grading would be reduced to approximately 1,000 to 1,500 cubic yards. Broitzman
indicated he would not know the exact amount until the engineering is completed. Broitzman stated the
height of the house has also been reduced by 2.5 feet by moving the house forward and would still
conform to the 30 -foot height requirement.
Gaffron pointed out the deck would also need to meet the average lakeshore setback.
Mayor Peterson inquired whether there were any public comments on this application.
There were no public comments regarding this application.
Broitzman noted the amount of grading being proposed at the present time is for the house only and not
the driveway. Broitzman stated the driveway would need to be engineered. Broitzman stated if the house
is slid back any further, it would increase the amount of dirt that would need to be removed.
White stated he would like to see some larger trees planted in the area where the other trees were
removed. White commented the, trees would also help to increase the value of the home.
Broitzman stated he has been told by a number of real estate agents that they would remove the trees that
he did since they blocked the view of the lake.
McMillan stated it is the applicant's choice to plant trees in that area, noting that it is outside the 0 -75'
zone.
Murphy concurred this application should go back to the Planning Commission, and inquired when Staff
would see real building plans rather than a computer generated plan. Murphy stated this lot is probably
one of the last remaining pristine spots on Lake Minnetonka and strongly recommended that the applicant
hire a qualified local architect to determine what would best fit on this lot.
Broitzman stated the only issue that the Planning Commission had was the amount of fill, noting that the
vote was split on the motion. Broitzman stated he has concerns that the Planning Commission has
different views on this application than the Council does and that he is not able to please both bodies.
Sansevere pointed out the vote of the Planning Commission is a recommendation only and that it does not
guarantee the Council will vote the same way. Sansevere commented the City Council generally does
concur with the recommendation of the Planning Commission.
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ORONO CITY C
Monday, O
7:00 of
( #05 -3136 Troy Broitzman, Continued)
Peterson stated she prefers the access off of Heritag
reducing the size of the house. Peterson stated she
the lot and that she would prefer a smaller structure
Sansevere stated he is in agreement with the
Stephen Charrier, 1910 Heritage Drive, stated the he
neighborhood than further back on the lot. Charrier
property and the applicant's, which helps to screen 1
Peterson noted Charrier's wife had concerns
Broitzman stated the footprint of the house is approi
1600, for a total of 5100 square feet. Broitzman inq
OF THE
INCIL MEETING
ber 10, 2005
ck p.m.
and that the applicant has taken some good steps at
.11 has some issues with the amount of massing on
n this lot to better fit in with the neighborhood.
of Mayor Peterson.
in the proposed location is less intrusive to the
iicated there are a number of trees between his
structure.
the massing on the lot. .
;ly 3400 square feet and the garage is around
how much more the house should be reduced.
Sansevere suggested designing the house to blend i'more with the neighborhood.
Peterson pointed out there are no properties in that area that have a four -stall garage.
Murphy commented the design of the house should fit in with the rest of the neighborhood.
Morris Nelson, 1900 Shoreline Drive, stated he is ii
has compiled a list of million dollar homes and that
listed over a million dollars. Nelson stated he woul
to his.
White inquired whether the resident would like to
Nelson stated he would.
White stated given the amount of money being
could be designed.
full support of a nice project. Nelson indicated he
here are 33 homes currently on the market that are
be happy to have a multi - million dollar house next
a house with more character.
t on the home, a more aesthetically pleasing house
Peterson stated a home with more character might be more appealing to the Council. Peterson indicated
she personally does not like the design of the home
McMillan encouraged the applicant take the time
utilizes quality materials.
design a home that is aesthetically pleasing and
Broitzman stated he has been a builder for over 13 ,years and that he takes great pride in what he does.
Broitzman indicated his last house was construct4in Austin and that a top priority of his is energy
• efficiency. Broitzman pointed out this house is 40 percent more energy efficient than what the code
requires and would only cost $67 per month to heat.
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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m. •
( #05 -3136 Troy Broitzman, Continued)
Murphy stated the point that he is trying to make is that the applicant should take into consideration that
he is building on one of the. most pristine pieces of land in the Midwest and recommended that a qualified
architect be consulted.
Curtis noted an extension in writing would need to be submitted by the applicant.
Peterson moved, Sansevere seconded, to refer Application #05 -3136, Troy Broitzman,1860
Shoreline Drive, back to the Planning Commission. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
8. #05 -3149 TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH, 2060 SIXTH AVENUE NORTH —
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
Peterson moved, Murphy seconded, to table Application #05 -3149, Trinity Lutheran Church,
2060 Sixth Avenue North, at the request of the applicant, to the November 14, 2005 City Council
meeting. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
•
*9. #05 -3151 GARY AND SANDRA BARON, 3619 NORTH SHORE DRIVE — VARIANCES —
RESOLUTION NO. 5389
Murphy moved, White seconded, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 5389, a Resolution granting lot
width, lot area, lake setback, and hardcover variances for the property located at 3619 North Shore
Drive. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
MAYOR/COUNCIL REPORT
White stated in his view it is inappropriate for the Park Commissioner to lecture the Council on how inept
the Planning Commission is. White stated in his opinion the Planning Commission is going a good job.
Murphy commented that also happened two weeks ago with another Park Commissioner.
McMillan noted that commissioner was commenting on a specific application. McMillan stated she
would be willing to call the Commissioner and discuss the situation.
White stated he has been informed that it costs the City of Minneapolis $30,000 for each dog park.
Sansevere commented the Planning Commission in his view does a marvelous job and that it is unusual •
that the Council differs from the recommendation of the Planning Commission.
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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
(Mayor /Council Report, Continued)
Winkey pointed out on the Narrows Saloon application, the parking demand for that business tends to be
at different times than the other businesses in the area. I Winkey stated the applicants have made a number
of concessions on their application.
Sansevere commented the Narrows Saloon does serve lunch, which would create a demand for parking
during the day.
White stated the parking situation in this area could change with a different business and needs to be
closely looked at. White commented the City of Orono does not have the police force available to handle
a large fight at the Narrows Saloon, noting that the Or, no police chief submitted a long list of previous
complaints concerning the Narrows Saloon.
Winkey stated it is important the Planning
Council would like addressed.
Sansevere stated in general the Planning Commission
the council would like to see addressed on each a-oDlic
Murphy stated the City Council has more latitude in
Commission does and that there will be some disaar
McMillan indicated she appreciates the effort the
have a good understanding of the issues that the
have a good understanding of the issues that
ig applications than the Planning
at times.
Commission takes on each application.
Curtis noted the neighbors did not come forward on the Broitzman application at the last Planning
Commission meeting.
Murphy noted there is a ribbon cutting ceremony at 2;00 p.m. on Friday, October 14, for the opening of
the Brown Road Bridge.
PUBLIC SERVICE DIRECTOR'S REPORT
*10. REQUEST FOR FINAL PAYMENT — WEBBER HILLS EXTENSION SANITARY
SEWER PROJECT
Murphy moved, White seconded, to approve Request for Final Payment, Webber Hills Extension
Sanitary Sewer Project to E.J. Mayers, Inc., in the amount of $967.35. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
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ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
*11. BROWN ROAD NORTH/COUNTY ROAD 6 SANITARY SEWER PROJECT
ASSESSMENT — RESOLUTION NO. 5390
Murphy moved, White seconded, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 5390, a Resolution Reducing
the Brown Road North/CR6 sewer extension assessment for 2100 Sixth Avenue North.
VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
*12. 755 DICKEY LAKE DRIVE SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION ASSESSMENT —
RESOLUTION NO. 5391
Murphy moved, White seconded, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 5391, a Resolution adopting the 755
Dickey Lake Drive Sanitary Sewer Extension assessment roll. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
*13. WEBBER HILLS SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION ASSESSMENT —RESOLUTION
NO. 5392
Murphy moved, White seconded, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 5392, a Resolution adopting the •
Webber Hills Sanitary Sewer Extension Assessment Roll. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
*14. 25 BROWN ROAD SOUTH SANITARY SEWER CONNECTION ASSESSMENT —
RESOLUTION NO. 5393
Murphy moved, White seconded, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 5393, a Resolution adopting the 25
Brown Road South Sanitary Sewer Connection Assessment Roll. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
Gaffron stated Staff did a final tree inspection on the Eric Vogstrom property on Casco Point Road.
Gaffron stated there are some discrepancies with the landscape plan that was submitted and that some of
the trees were supposed to be moved back further on the property. Gaffron stated the planted trees range
from 9 to 10 feet rather than the 12 feet directed by Council. Gaffron recommended two more six -foot
trees be planted to make up for the shorter trees.
Peterson inquired whether Staff would be checking annually to verify that the trees have not been cut
down. •
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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
• Monday, October 10, 2005
7:00 o'clock p.m.
•
•
(City Administrator's Report, Continued)
Curtis stated there is a letter of credit that the City will be holding for three years to insure that the trees
are not cut down.
Murphy stated in his view the trees should be taken out and replaced with the right size trees.
White noted the planting season is almost over and
have started to develop new roots.
It was the consensus of the City Council to require VC
CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT
Attorney Rolfe Worden had nothing to report.
*15. LICENSES
TEMPORARY ONE DAY ON -SALE LIQUOR
the trees have been in place for over a month and
to plant two additional six -foot trees.
1. Hope Chest for Breast Cancer Foundation
Hope Chest for Breast Cancer, 3850 Shoreline Drive
Thursday, October 20, 2005
Murphy moved, White seconded, to approve the above license. VOTE: Ayes 5, Nays 0.
*16. (BILLS
Murphy moved, White seconded, to approve
Nays 0.
ADJOURNMENT
Sansevere moved, Peterson seconded, to adjourn
October 10, 2005, at 11:15 p.m. VOTE: Ayes 5,1
ATTEST:
Linda S. Vee, City Clerk
of the All Funds account. VOTE: Ayes 5,
Orono City Council meeting of
0.
Barbara Peterson, Mayor
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