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MINUTES OF THE
ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Monday,November 17,2008
6:00 o'clock p.m.
ROLL
The Orono Planning Commission met on the above-mentioned date with the following members present:
Chair Ralph Kempf, Commissioners Loren Schoenzeit,Jaye Ann Bennett and Kim Kang,as well as
alternates Michelle Winer and Janice Berg. Representing Staff were Planner Evelyn Turner,Planning and
Zoning Coordinator Melanie Curtis, and Recorder Jackie Young. City Council Representative Jim
White arrived at 6:15 p.m. Commissioner Jon Schwingler arrived at 6:25 p.m. .
Chair Kempf called the meeting to order at 6:02 p.m., followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
Kempf noted Dick Kroeger, Commissioner,recently passed away. Kempf recognized Commissioner .
Kroeger's work on behalf of the City of Orona
CONSENT AGENDA
Chair Kempf opened the public hearing at 6:08 p.m.
There were no public comments regarding Application No. 08-3387.
Chair Kempf closed the public hearing at 6:08 p.m.
Schoenzeit moved,Berg seconded,to approve the Consent Agenda as submitted. VOTE: Ayes 6,
Nays 0.
*1. APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMNIISSION MEETING MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20,
2008
Schoenzeit moved,Berg seconded,to approve the minutes of the October 20,2008,Planning
Commission meeting. VOTE: Ayes 6,Nays 0.
NEW BUSINESS
2. 08-3386 JASIN LARSON,3485 CRYSTAL PLACE,VAItIANCE, 6:10 P.M.—6:37 P.M.
Jasin Larsin,Applicant,was present.
Turner stated the applicant is proposing to construct a detached garage and is requesting a setback
variance to place the garage five feet from the east and north property lines when a 10-feet setback is
required. In addition, the applicant is requesting a hardcover variance to allow 37.89 percent hardcover in
the 500-1000 foot zone when 35 percent is allowed. �
Turner displayed an aerial photo of the property and a survey depicting the proposed garage and the
layout of the properiy.
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(08-3386 JASIN LARSIN,2485 CRYSTAL PLACE, CONTINUED)
Turner stated after preparing the revised survey and grading plan,the applicant's surveyor/erigineer has
indicated that even with the 5-foot setbacks,it is impossible to provide for the customary two-to-one taper
from the garage apron to the driveway because of the need to route the drainage around the east side of
the house and the location of the southeast corner of the house. A side loading garage would require a 64-
foot wide lot,which is not an option. The Commission should consider if it would be appropriate to limit
the height of the garage or require the pitch of the roof to approximate that of the house. Siding materials
sliould be the same or visually match those of the house.
Currently there is no garage on the property and it appears there never has been one. The proposed
garage would be located in the southeast corner of the lot. In order to access the structure, a 136 square
foot single-story room on the east side of the house would be removed. The existing driveway would be
narrowed and a new entry deck and sidewalk would be constructed. In addition, an 84 square foot shed
would also be removed. The proposed location would allow the rear yard to be more usable.
Planning Staff recommends approval of the hardcover and setback variances subj ect to the applicant
providing exterior plans of the proposed garage prior to the application proceeding forward to the City
Council. Staff is also requesting the applicant submit grading and drainage plans for the garage prior to
the application proceeding forward.
Larsin stated Planner Turner has summed up his application accurately and that in his view the proposed
location is the best site for the garage.
Kempf asked how the applicant is proposing to finish the exterior of the garage and whether any plans
have been drawn up showing the side walls and the pitch of the roof.
Larsin indicated he would like the garage to match the existing house,with a pitched roof to provide some
storage space. Larsin stated he would like to remove the vinyl siding that is currently on the house,which
would leave the original Dutch lap siding, and match that on the garage.
Kempf noted the applicant is proposing to encroach on the setback by five feet and that it would be less
intrusive to go with a flatter pitch on the roof of the garage.
Turner concurred a flatter pitch would appear less intrusive but it might not match the house.
Schoenzeit asked how high the side walls would be and what the height of the garage door would be.
Larsin stated he has not gotten to that stage yet,but that it would probably be the standard height for side
walls and garage door.
Kempf asked whether there would be standard eight-foot walls.
Larsin stated he is unsure.
Schoenzeit stated if the applicant is considering constructing a two-story structure five feet from the
property line,it would be a concern to the Planning Commission.
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(08-3386 JASIN LARSIN,2485 CRYSTAL PLACE,CONTINUED)
Larsin indicated the side walls would likely be eight to ten feet tall.
Berg asked whether the applicant has any formal plan drawn up.
Larsin stated he did not want to incur the cost of an architect if his plans would not be approved.
Berg stated in her view the Planning Commission should have a plan in front of them prior to approving
the application and that she is hard pressed to approve the application without a formal plan.
Kempf commented the Planning Commission is sensitive to the view of the neighbors and that the City .
does not want an overly large structure being constructed.
Berg commented she understands the reason for not having the grading and drainage finalized at this
stage but that the Planning Commission should really have a formalized plan for the garage to review.
Turner noted the applicant would need to submit formal plans prior to the Council meeting.
Schoenzeit asked whether the Planning Commission could approve a certain footprint and pitch of roof.
Turner indicated they could
Bennett noted a certain portion of the house encroaches on the neighbor's property, and asked whether
there is an agreement between the two parties.
Larsin indicated he purchased the home as is and that he is unsure when that portion was added on.
Larsin stated that portion of the home is basically a staircase to the cellar,which houses the furnace.
Bennett asked whether that portion of the house could be removed.
Larsin stated if it was removed,he would no longer have access to the cellar.
Berg commented there should be something noted on the chain of title if there is an agreement.
Bennett stated the size of the garage would limit what else could be done on the lot, especially as it relates
to increasing the size of the house in the future,and asked whether the applicant is aware of that.
Larsin stated he does understand that and that he has reduced the size of the house in order to reduce the
hardcover on the lot.
Berg asked what portion of the house is going to be removed.
Larsin stated it is a small room without a closet and was not part of the original construction of the house.
Bennett asked whether the applicant is aware that he would need to pave the driveway.
Larsin stated he did read that in the report. Larsin asked whether he could use cobblestones or pavers.
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(08-3386 JASIN LARSIN,2485 CRYSTAL PLACE,CONTINUED)
Turner stated he could use pavers as long as they were installed according to the manufacturer's
specifications but that the applicant would have to use asphalt down near the roadway.
Bennett asked when the applicant would like to commence construction.
Larsin indicated in the spring.
Chair Kempf opened the public hearing at 6:26 p.m.
There were no public comments regarding this application.
Chair Kempf closed the public hearing at 6:26 p.m.
Bennett stated she would like to see a formal plan prior to approving or denying the application.
Schoenzeit stated he would be willing to allow the applicant to propose some basic parameters on the size
of the garage and the height of the side walls. Schoenzeit noted the Council would require a more
formalized plan before approving the application.
Kempf recommended the applicant submit a drawing that depicts the height of the side walls,the pitch of
the roof, and the footprint of the structure. Kempf stated without a drawing,the concern is that the
building would end up being large and intrusive to the neighbor.
Kempf stated along one of the property lines there is a two or three-foot retaining wall and asked whether
that goes right up to the property line.
Larsin stated it is approximately two and a half feet.
Kempf noted there is also a fence on top of the retaining wall.
Larsin stated that is a six-foot privacy fence.
Kempf stated the property to the east would be impacted the most by this project but noted that none of
the neighbors have appeared tonight or have submitted written comments. Kempf commented in his
opinion Mr. Larsin would not construct an overly large structure but suggested the application be tabled
to allow the applicant time to submit a more formal plan.
Winer suggested the Planning Commission specify the maximum the building could be to allow the
application to proceed forward to the Council.
Bennett stated she would prefer to see an actual drawing,with a more definitive description of the type of
siding that would be utilized.
Turner noted City Code requires the driveway be paved and that the applicant has indicated he is .
considering utilizing pavers.
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(08-3386 JASIN LARSIN,2485 CRYSTAL PLACE, CONTINUED)
Schoenzeit and Kang indicated they are both fine with providing parameters to the applicant since it
would be reviewed by the Council prior to final approval.
Schwingler stated if adequate direction is provided by the Planning Commission and Staff feels the plan
submitted later by the applicant is acceptable and can proceed forward to the Council,he would be okay
with approving the application tonight.
Winer moved,Schoenzeit seconded,to recommend approval of Application#-08-3386,Jasin Larsin,
" 3485 Crystal Place,granting of a setback variance to permit the construction of a detached garage
with lap siding similar to the house being required on the garage,side walls being restricted to a
height no greater than 9 foot,the garage door being restricted to a height of no more than 7 foot,
and the pitch of the roof being limited to no more than 12:12. VOTE: Ayes 4,Nays 2,Bennett and
Berg Opposed.
Berg stated since the applicant is requesting a five-foot variance, she would like to see a formal plan.
*3. 08-3387 JEFFREY KREAFLE ON BEFIALF OF THE WAYZATA COUNTRY CLUB,
200 WAYZATA BOULEVARD, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT,6:08 P.M.—6:08 P.M.
Schoenzeit moved,Berg seconded,to approve Application#08-3387,Jeffrey Kreafle on Behalf of
the Wayzata Country Club,200 Wayzata Boulevard,granting of a conditional use permit for a
deck expansion. VOTE: Ayes 6,Nays 0.
4. 08-3388 BOYER BUILDERS ON BEHALF OF MATTHEW AND AMY HERMAN,3825
CHERRY AVENUE,VARIANCE,6:37 P.M.—7:32 P.M.
Matthew and Amy Herman,Applicants,were present,along with Carl Smith,Boyer Builders.
Turne'r stated the applicant is proposing to construct a garage and living space addition to the house and is
requesting a hardcover variance to allow 30.5 percent hardcover in the 75-250 foot zone when the
maximum allowed is 25 percent. Approval of wetland buffer averaging is also requested.
Turner displayed the layout of the property and the proposed addition
The proposed addition would provide two additional garage stalls and an entry on the lower level. On the
upper level would be a master suite and another bedroom. In conjunction with the addition,the upper
level of the house would be extensively remodeled. The stairs would be relocated and the kitchen and
living room expanded. Due to the topography of the lot,the basement would be counted as a story
following construction of the addition.
Turner noted the proposed hardcover is 633 square feet more than what would be allowed rather than the
680 feet used in Staff's report.
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(08-3388 BOYER BUILDERS ON BEHALF OF MATTHEW AND AMY HERMAN, CONT.)
On the eastern portion of the property there is a wetland that is classified as a Preserve. The City's
wetland regulations require a 70-foot setback from Preserve wetlands for buildings and a 50-foot setback
for impervious surfaces such as driveways and sidewalks. Part of the addition would fall within the 70-
foot setback and a corner of the sidewalk would fall within the 50-foot setback. Located on the city
property to the west is a wetland that is classified as a Manage 3. This wetland requires a 36.5 foot
setback for buildings and a 16.5 foot setback for impervious surfaces. Part of the addition would fall
within the 36.5 foot setback.
The proposed improvements may or may not trigger the requirement that the 50 and 16.5 foot setback
areas be improved as buffers but the regulations do require any new buildings or structures observe the
setbacks. There is a provision that allows for buffer averaging for existing surfaces and buildings but
does not cover structures that are constructed after adoption of the ordinance. There would be the same
amount of buffer on the property but it would be located differently on the property rather than being the
standard dimension from the wetland.
Planning Staff recommends the following:
A. Approval of a hardcover variance conditioned on the following reductions in hardcover from
proposed level:
1. The shed being removed from the property.
2. The proposed addition being reduced in size and shifted closer to Cherry Avenue.
B. Approval of buffer averaging conditioned on:
1. The applicant providing a plan, acceptable to the City's wetland consultant, showing
where the buffer averaging would occur.
2. The elimination of the front sidewalk's proposed encroachment into the 50 foot
impervious surface setback.
Staff requests the Planning Commission discuss the size and depth of the proposed addition. Due to the
situation of having to raise the floor elevation, some level of hardcover variance is justified in Staff's
opinion,but recommends the Planning Commission determine whether 30.5 percent hardcover is
justified.
Kempf asked where the wetland setback is located.
Turner pointed out the location of the wetland setback and the wetland buffer area. Turner noted there is
also a 20-foot setback for buildings from the edge of the buffer.
Kempf asked if the area between the wetland setback and the edge of the wetland is the wetland buffer.
Turner indicated it is.
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(08-3388 BOYER BUILDERS ON BEHALF OF MATTHEW AND AMY HERMAN,CONT.)
Kempf noted the majority of the driveway is located within the wetland setback.
Curtis stated the setback from the edge of the buffer is a structural setback. Curtis indicated the location
of the driveway is an acceptable encroachment in the wetland buffer setback. The goal with the 20-foot
setback from the edge of the wetland buffer is to allow for yard space between what would be the wetland
buffer and the edge of the home.
Turner stated the brown areas on the survey are the encroachments.
Kempf asked how buffer averaging would work and how that area would change.
Turner stated the square footage of the buffer would be the same but would be located in a different area.
Turner indicated the buffer could be 20 feet in one area and 65 feet in another.
Bennett noted the proposed addition would be shifted closer to Cherry Avenue,which would push it into
the buffer zone.
Turner stated the addition is akeady located in the buffer zone but that they are changing the positioning
of the structure slightly within the buffer zone,which would reduce the hardcover slightly. Turner stated
there is currently a two-foot offset between the 24-foot wide section of the garage and the 12-foot wide
section of the garage,which could probably be increased to four feet.
Carl Smith,Boyer Building,noted they have been working on these plans for a number of months and
that they were initially unaware of the wetland buffer.A survey was completed,which depicted a wetland
on the west side of the property as well as the east side,which further complicated their plans. They did
meet with Planner Turner to deternune a location that would have the least amount of impact to the
setbacks but were also informed that the location of the wetland on the east side of the property
constitutes a lake setback,which resulted in the property being shifted to a different zone that allowed less
hardcover.
Smith noted the existing house exceeds the hardcover by one percent and that they have attempted to
minimize the hardcover on the lot as much as possible. Smith pointed out the location of the swale.
Smith stated this was a difficult lot to work with but that they feel the proposed plan is the best plan they
could come up with.
Winer stated there are varying elevations listed on the survey and that the elevations range from 9313 by
. the building setback line to 931.8 to 933.7. Winer asked whether the elevations are correct.
Smith stated the topography goes up and then comes back down again,with a crest in the property.
Winer asked whether there are any issues with drainage.
Smith illustrated the flow of the drainage and noted that the floor of the garage will be raised by 1.5 feet,
which will enhance the drainage.
Winer asked whether that would direct more runoff into the wetlands.
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(08-3388 BOYER BUILDERS ON BEHALF OF MATTHEW AND AMY HERMAN, CONT.)
Turner stated the city property is part of the storm drainage system and that it is probably acceptable to
divert water to that area.
Kempf noted the hardship documentation addresses the uniqueness of the lot and asked whether the
applicant would like to address the hardships with the house.
Smith stated given the layout of the present house,there is no true front entrance to the house and that it is
necessary to gain access to the house through the basement. Smith noted the house is deteriorated and is
in need of improvement. The existing garage is presently used for storage. Smith stated their proposal
would resolve the issue of the entry to the house,increase storage,and improve the property.
Kempf asked what would happen with the shed that is currently on the property.
Smith stated the shed is located on city property and that he would be recommending to his clients that it
be removed.
Matt Herman indicated they would be willing to relocate the shed off of city property but that they would
like to retain the structure if possible.
Berg noted Staff is recommending that the shed be removed.
Turner stated if the shed is retained,the hardcover would increase,which was the basis for Staff's
recommendation for removal of the shed.
Berg asked what the current square footage of the house is and what the proposed square footage is.
Smith stated the dimensions are listed on one of the surveys and that it is his understanding the 1270 is
the footprint of the existing house and the proposed addition would be 868 square feet.
Chair Kempf opened the public hearing at 7:07 p.m.
Jim Martin, 3826 Cherry Avenue, stated he has discussed the project with the applicant and that he and
his wife are in support of the project.
Chair Kempf closed the public hearing at 7:07 p.m.
1VIatt Herman stated they are attempting to improve their properly and that their neighborhood is currently
in transition,which they would like to be a part o£ Herman stated the shed is in good shape and they
would like to retain it if possible.
Kempf commented this does appear to be a hardship lot and that a hardcover variance to some degree is
reasonable. Kempf stated the impact on Lake Minnetonka is very minimal from this lot and that it
appears approximately 99 percent of the time the runoff from the lot is filtered through wetland.
Kang asked whether averaging the wetland buffer would allow them to put the wetland buffer in a
different area on the lot. �
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(08-3388 BOYER BUILDERS ON BEHALF OF MATTHEW AND AMY HERMAN,CONT.)
Turner stated that would be allowed and that the applicant would need to indicate where they plan to do
the wetland buffering averaging. Turner pointed out that prior to this application proceeding to Council,
Staff would determine whether the buffer setbacks would be triggered by this project. If there is a buffer
needed on the east side,the applicants would lose most of the lawn.
Kempf noted the main issue on this application is the hardcover variance. Kempf stated in his view this is
a perfect situation where pervious materials should be utilized as much as possible given the amount of
wetlands on the property. Kempf stated in his view a small portion of the driveway could be shifted to
the west, out of the buffer.
Berg pointed out that is existing driveway and not proposed.
Turner stated the applicants could choose to shift it over if buffer averaging is required.
Kempf asked whether the current driveway is paved.
Matt Herman indicated it is gravel.
Kempf noted there is 30.5 percent hardcover without the shed being included in the calculation.
Bennett asked if the applicants are agreeable to moving the house forward.
Smith stated in his view there is room to relocate a portion of the house slightly and that they would look
at that.
Kempf asked whether the entire addition would shift two feet toward the street.
Smith stated if the entire addition were shifted,there would be no net gain in the hardcover.
Turner stated the east corner of the addition is as close to the buffer setback as possible and that a portion
of the garage could be pulled forward.
Smith illustrated on the overhead the exact portion that would be moved forward.
Turner noted it would be approximately 50 square feet.
Winer asked if the wetland average calculation includes the lot on the lake.
Turner indicated it is not included. Turner stated the driveway is allowed in the buffer setback and would
not change the amount of buffer that is being encroached upon.
Kempf stated in his view this is a hardship lot and that the impact of the 75-250 foot zone is minimal on
Lake Minnetonka. Kempf stated he is in favor of relocating the 24-foot portion of the garage forward and
to shorten the depth of the garage to 26 feet,which would help reduce the hardcover.
Berg noted they are also building above the garage.
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(08-3388 BOYER BUILDERS ON BEHALF OF MATTHEW AND AMY HERMAN, CONT.)
Kempf stated the entire addition could be reduced.
Bennett indicated she is in agreement with the comments of Chair Kempf and that the size of the addition
could be reduced.
Amy Herman noted the size of the house with the addition is approximately 2700 square,which is not
very large for four people.
Matt Herman indicated there is approximately 1600 square feet of living space currently.
Smith stated the main level is 1200 and the footprint of the addition is approximately 800 square feet,
which would give them approximately 2000 square feet of living space on the main level.
Berg noted the footprint of the current house is 1270 square feet and the addition is 868 square feet.
Matt Herman noted the size of their lot is approximately one acre.
Kempf commented the Planning Commission has an obligation to review the hardcover on the lot and
reduce it wherever possible to help protect Lake Minnetonka.
Kang stated she is in agreement with relocating the 24-foot portion of the garage and concurred that this is
a hardship lot.
Schoenzeit stated he would be in favor of the proposed footprint in the new location.
Schoenzeit moved to recommend approval of Application#08-3388,Boyer Builders on behalf of
� Matthew and Amy Herman,3825 Cherry Avenue,subject to: One, StafPs recommendations being
complied with; two,the shed being removed; three,the 24-foot portion of the garage being
relocated two feet closer to Cherry Avenue; four,compliance with the requirements for buffer
averaging per City requirements; five,elimination of the front sidewalk encroachment; six,
compliance with engineering and floodplain requirements; and seven,use of a qualified contractor
to install the previous pavers.
Berg asked whether the driveway portion that is highlighted in yellow should be eliminated.
Schoenzeit stated that would be up to the discretion of the applicant.
Winer stated she would like to see the hardcover calculations prior to construction and an actual survey of
the existing home.
Kempf asked whether those conditions could be satisfied at the Council meeting.
Winer stated they could.
Bennett indicated she is not opposed to the shed remaining as long as it is relocated off of City property.
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(08-3388 BOYER BUILDERS ON BEHALF OF MATTHEW AND AMY HERMAN,CONT.)
Turner noted it would need to be located 10 feet off the property line.
Schoenzeit amended his motion to allow for the shed to remain but to require it be relocated
totally on the applicant's property,with the as-built survey updated. Schwingler seconded. VOTE:
Ayes 5,Nays 1,Kempf Opposed.
Kempf stated in the view the Planning Commission should follow the ordinances as much as possible.
Bennett recommended the applicant consider incorporating the measurements of the rooms on their
survey.
PLANNING CONIlVIISSION COMMENTS
5. REPORT OF PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVES ATTENDING
COUNCIL MEETINGS OCTOBER 27,2008,AND NOVEMBER 10,2008
Kempf reported on the October 27,2008 City Council meeting,noting that the Council received an
update from Three Rivers on the Dakota Trail and that the trails will be completed in the near future. In
addition,there was some discussion regarding maintaining the trail over the winter months as well as a
possible future connection to the Luce Line.
The Jacobs Mill development was discussed as it relates to the new Highway 12 corridor and the
dissatisfaction that the residents in that neighborhood have with the removal of a large number of trees.
Further meetings are to be scheduled to discuss mitigation of the situation.
A discussion was also had regarding the burial of utilities on Casco Point Road,with no formal decision
being made by the Council on that item.
Bennett reported on the November 10`"City Counoil meeting, and noted that the bowling center
application was tabled to allow the applicant time to submit more detailed plans. Bennett stated in her
view the Planning Commission should require applicants on future applications submit detailed
information on their proposals before proceeding to the Council. Bennett stated the neighbors also
expressed their concerns regarding the application.
Kempf commented in his view the Planning Commission did give preriy specific direction to the
applicant.
Bennett indicated the Council wanted detailed plans on the lighting and also requested that either the
owner or the owner's representative be present at the next meeting to confirm that the owner is agreeable
to the requested improvements.
Schwingler stated the applicant did not research his lighting options prior to the Council meeting and did
not have professionally designed plans for the parking and interior of the building,which the Council
indicated they would like to review prior to approving the application.
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Monday,November 17,2008
6:00 o'clock p.m.
(REPORT OF PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVES, CONTINUED)
Schwingler stated the tone of the neighbors was more antagonistic at the Council meeting than at the
Planning Commission and that they wanted to make sure the items the applicant said he would do are
really completed.
Berg noted the applicant did make a number of good faith efforts in working with the neighbors but that
he cannot control everything that happens on the site.
Bennett stated it was her impression the City Council wanted to have the owner commit in writing the
improvements that he is willing to make to the structure. Bennett commented it did not appear that the
applicant was well prepared for the meeting.
Mayor White stated the Council would like to see all the details of the proposal in writing, especially
given the fact that the City changed its zoning to accommodate this type of use. White stated given the
amount of money that is needed to update the building and the impact that this business could potentially
have on the neighborhood,the Council would like to see in writing all the specifics of the proposal prior
to approving the application.
Bennett stated the Planning Commission spent a considerable amount of time outlining for the applicant
what he would need to submit and complete prior to appearing before the City Council but that she was
not aware the applicant should submit the type of detail that was requested.
Kempf commented the Planning Commission in the future should require the applicants are prepared as
much as possible prior to proceeding to the City Council.
Curtis stated there are applicants who insist on proceeding forward to the Planning Commission or the
City Council even though they do not have all the required documents submitted.
The Planning Commission had a brief discussion regarding the items that should have been discussed and
requested from the applicant on the bowling center application.
6. OTHER ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION
The Planning Commission discussed alternative dates for their December work session. It was the
consensus of the Planning Commission to meet Tuesday,December 2°d
7. SELECTION OF REPRESENTATIVES TO ATTEND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ON
NOVEMBER 24,2008 AND DECEMBER 8,2008
November 24,2008 -Kang
December 8,2008—Schoenzeit
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ADJOURNMENT
Berg moved,Kang seconde 'ourn the City Council meeting at 8:18 p.m.
alph empf, Chai
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