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X:\Data\Administrative Support\(Forms-Old)\FORMS\PUBLIC.ATT MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. ROLL The Orono Planning Commission met on the above date with the following members present: Chair Elizabeth Hawn, Commissioners Dale Lindquist, Daniel Kluth, Sandra Smith, and Jeanne Mabusth, and William Stoddard. Alternates J. Marc Fritzler, and David Rahn were present. Commissioners Janice Berg and Daniel Kluth were absent. The following represented City Staff: Planning Director Michael Gaffron,Zoning Administrator Paul Weinberger, and Recorder Jackie Young. Chair Hawn called the meeting to order at 6:33 p.m. CONSENT AGENDA (#01-2729) W. GREGORY COWARD,JR., 1950 HERITAGE DRIVE,VARIANCES (#01-2733) WILLIAM B. AND LYNNE M.L.PETERSON,420 ORCHARD PARK ROAD, RENEWAL VARIANCES Hawn inquired whether there were any members of the audience who would like to speak regarding these applications. There were no public comments regarding either application. Hawn inquired whether the garage being constructed by the Cowards consists of more than just a garage. Robert Lund,Representing the Cowards, stated the structure is a three-stall garage,but the property owner decided to make the garage look like something other than a garage. Lindquist moved,Smith seconded,to recommend approval of Application#01-2729, W. Gregory Coward,Jr., 1950 Heritage Drive,granting of a conditional use permit to permit two accessory buildings to be located on the property as depicted on the site plan dated 11/9/01, subject to the conditions outlined in the November 13,2001 Planner's Report. VOTE: Ayes 6,Nays 0. (Stoddard was not present for this vote) Hawn moved,Lindquist seconded,to recommend approval of#01-2733,William B. and Lynne M. L.Peterson,420 Orchard Park Road,to extend the variance application deadline and forward the application for review to the City Council on Monday,November 26,2001. VOTE: Ayes 7,Nays 0. OLD BUSINESS (#3) #01-2722 MICHAEL AND MONICA BROWN, 1241 BROWN ROAD SOUTH, VARIANCES Michael Brown,Applicant,was present. PAGE 1 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#01-2722 Michael and Monica Brown,Continued) Weinberger stated the Planning Commission had reviewed this application at its October meeting and tabled it to allow the property owner to consider options to the site plan in relation to garage size and setbacks. Weinberger stated Brown Road is considered to be the front property line and Minnetonka Avenue being considered the side yard adjacent to street. The Applicants are requesting variances to permit the replacement of an existing garage with a 28' by 24' detached garage. The Applicant is now proposing to construct the same size garage as originally proposed with the location of the garage being slightly changed. The Applicants have indicated they are agreeable to moving the garage back an additional five feet from the property line resulting in a 10-foot setback rather than six feet. There would be a five-foot setback to the alley, which is agreeable to Staff since the City does not intend to develop the alley as a traveled road. Currently the alley is used for electric service. The Applicant did state he has a hardship due to the location of a mature pine tree that is located behind the garage with approximately a 35-foot drip line. The Applicant is unable to move the garage any further back due to the location of this tree. The Applicants have also agreed to reduce the size of the outside parking area to approximately a 15-foot width in order to accommodate some off-street parking. Weinberger stated the second part of the application deals with the Applicant proposing to replace an existing fence that is six feet in height within the side yard adjacent to street setback where a maximum height fence is allowed to be 3.5 feet. The fence is intended to be a privacy fence to the back yard. The fence is currently located 27 feet from the property line. Weinberger noted the Planning Commission at its previous meeting did indicate general support for the fence height variance. The Applicants would like to increase the size of their back yard and relocate a portion of the fence in order to meet a 15-foot setback. Staff recommends approval of the variances to permit replacement of the fence within 50 feet of the street property line and replacement of the existing garage. Brown stated he has spoken with his neighbor regarding this project,who has indicated he is supportive of the project and is willing to help with the landscaping. Brown commented they are planning to plant some arborvitae in the yard and to reduce the size of the outdoor parking area as much as possible. Stoddard inquired whether any cars parked in the driveway would stick out into the street with the proposed new location of the garage. Brown stated the garage is proposed to be located 22 feet from the road. Brown stated in his view the change in the location of the fence will improve the look of the property. Brown indicated he is planning to erect a decorative fence rather than the current stockade fence. There were no public comments regarding this application. Smith inquired why the Applicant would like a six-foot fence versus a 3.5-foot fence. PAGE 2 • MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#01-2722 Michael and Monica Brown,Continued) Brown stated the fence is intended for privacy due to the amount of traffic on Minnetonka Avenue. Smith inquired how many cars the parking area would be able to accommodate. Brown stated he would have the ability to park three cars outside. Mabusth noted the current fence is located 25 feet off the right-of-way. Mabusth inquired how close the new fence would be located to the property line. Weinberger stated it is his understanding the fence would be constructed 15 feet off the right-of-way, which would be 27 feet from the paved roadway. Smith inquired why the garage could not be moved closer to the house. Brown stated there is a larger Cottonwood tree that is not depicted on the drawing that essentially covers the entire yard. Weinberger stated the Applicant is proposing to maintain the pine tree. That would prohibit moving the garage to the north. Moving the garage to the east may impact the cottonwood. Hawn commented in her view this plan is an improvement over the previous plan submitted by the Applicant. Smith stated she is not fully supportive of a six-foot fence. Lindquist stated he is willing to support this current proposal,noting he does not have a problem with the six-foot fence since this is a corner lot. Stoddard stated he agrees with Lindquist. Rahn stated if the garage were located five feet closer to the street and is side-loading, a variance would not be needed. Weinberger stated if the garage were located five feet closer to the street, it would be closer to the street than the principal building, and the garage would be located within 50 feet of the property line. Rahn stated he does not really understand the hardship here since the garage could be side loading. Brown indicated all the garages in this neighborhood are front loading garages. Hawn inquired why this garage could not be side loading. Brown stated in his view the appearance of the garage would not look as nice if it were side loading. Mabusth stated if the garage was located at the same 28-foot setback and the doors were turned, in her opinion it would be encroaching into the right-of-way. PAGE 3 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#01-2722) Michael and Monica Brown,Continued) Rahn stated he was not thinking of rotating the structure but merely changing the location of the doors into the garage. Hawn noted the Applicant would prefer to have a front loading garage since there are no other side loading garages in the neighborhood. Mabusth concurred that is the pattern of development in this area. Stoddard moved,Lindquist seconded,to recommend approval of Application#01-2722,Michael and Monica Brown, 1241 Brown Road South,granting of variances to permit replacement of a six foot fence within 50 feet of the street property line,and granting of variances to permit a 10 foot side yard adjacent to the street setback and a five foot setback to the alley based on the findings that the proposed garage meets the development pattern of surrounding properties along Minnetonka Avenue and the alley is not intended to be used for roadway purposes. VOTE: Ayes 6,Nays 1,Rahn Opposed. Hawn requested the Applicant have an architectural drawing prepared for Staff review showing all the setbacks and exact location of the garage prior to the City Council meeting. Rahn stated he voted against the motion because in his view a side-loading garage would meet the setbacks and would not require a variance. Rahn stated in his view he does not see a hardship for the variance. NEW BUSINESS (#4) #01-2730 ACE PROPERTIES,3375 CRYSTAL BAY ROAD,VARIANCES, 6:48 p.m.—7:28 p.m. Larry Palm and Gary Gniffke,Ace Properties,was present. Weinberger stated the Applicants are requesting variances to permit redevelopment of the property. The proposal is to remove the existing house and construct a new residence,with a 24' by 40' concrete storage building that is attached to the house but is not living space to remain. The concrete building was constructed in 1971, sometime after the house was originally constructed. The Applicants are proposing to retain three walls,the rear and sides, from the existing storage building being used as part of the foundation for the new house. Weinberger stated the lot consists of 6,690 square feet and lies within the LR-1C, One Family Lakeshore Residential District,which has a one-half acre minimum lot size. The total area outside of the 75-foot setback is 3,855 square feet. The proposed house would be a two and a half story house with a defined height of 26 feet. The existing house is one and a half stories. Variances are being requested to lot area and lot width to permit construction of the new residence on a lot that is less than one-half acre and only 50 feet wide at the lakeshore and defined structure setback. In addition, variances are being requested for hardcover and structure within 75 feet of the lakeshore, PAGE 4 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#01-2730 Ace Properties,Continued) where no hardcover or structure is allowed, and a variance to permit greater than 25 percent hardcover in the 75-250' of the lakeshore. The Applicants are proposing 19.5 percent hardcover within the 0-75' setback where 37.9 percent currently exists and are proposing 60 percent hardcover within the 75-250' setback. Currently there is 72.5 percent hardcover within this setback area. Variances are also required to permit encroachment into the 10-foot side/rear yard setbacks, and to permit the existing foundation and building to be located 4.2 feet from the side property line and 19.2 feet to the rear lot line. The proposed setbacks are existing for the concrete storage building that would remain on the property. The Applicants are proposing to have two full stories constructed above the concrete storage building that would expand the building envelope within all required setbacks. The Applicants are also requesting variances to permit structural lot coverage in excess of 1,500 square feet. The Zoning Ordinance permits lot coverage of up to 1,500 square feet for lots under 10,000 square feet of area. The proposed house is 1,895 square feet. A variance is also being requested to permit a two foot encroachment into the average lakeshore setback as well as variances to permit expansion to the structure located within 10 feet of an adjacent structure on an adjacent property. Weinberger stated the City in 1971 approved variances to permit a 20' by 24' detached concrete storage building located 10 feet behind the existing house. The City issued a building permit a few months later for a 24' by 40' concrete attached building. This is the existing building that is proposed to remain on the property and used as foundation for the back half of the new house. Technically the building was not approved by a variance but a building permit was issued for the structure. Weinberger noted the Applicant has been requested to submit a site grading and drainage plan for Staff review. Staff is recommending a reduction in the amount of structural coverage on the lot to not encroach into the side yard setbacks, but is recommending approval of the variances to lot area and lot width as well as rear setback and hardcover variances. Palm indicated he has nothing to add to Staffs report. There were no public comments regarding this application. Hawn stated in her opinion the amount of structural coverage proposed for this lot is excessive, noting this is basically new construction. Hawn stated she does not see a reason to grant a variance to the structural coverage in the amount proposed,noting this would be a very large structure on a very small lot. Palm stated he has spoken with both adjoining neighbors regarding this project who have signed a letter indicating their support of this project. Palm stated there are also two or three other houses within this neighborhood that are of similar size located on a small lot. Palm stated their intent is to narrow the old foundation by 20 feet, which leaves them pretty close to the ten foot setback, with only the rear portion of the foundation remaining. PAGE 5 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#01-2730 Ace Properties,Continued) Lindquist commented in his view this should be considered as a tear-down and a rebuild, and recommended the structural coverage be limited at 15 percent. Mabusth noted there are concerns regarding drainage in this area. Mabusth inquired whether there are any other drainage problems that the City is aware of in this area. Weinberger stated a concern has arisen regarding drainage in this area due to the amount of new construction that is occurring and the amount of hardcover that exists. Palm stated the lot does have open space on either side of the house. Weinberger stated Staff would review the drainage once a final site plan has been arrived at. Stoddard stated he does not have a problem with most of the variances being requested, but in his view there should be a side yard setback of 10 feet. Stoddard recommended the structural coverage also be reduced. Stoddard suggested the Applicant also take into account the average lakeshore setback when redesigning his plan. Palm stated the average setback would be determined from the existing concrete foundation. Rahn indicated he has a concern regarding the view of the neighbors if this size structure is constructed. Palm stated the proposed residence is the same height as the neighbor to the west. Palm stated they are trying to accommodate the City, noting it is less cost effective if they are required to redesign their plan. Hawn stated the Planning Commission typically does not grant variances to structural coverage on new construction. Hawn stated in her view the only hardship is the small size of the lot,which doesn't drive the granting of this number of variances according to State Statute. Hawn stated hardships typically run with the topography of the land. Hawn commented it appears to be the consensus of the Planning Commission that the plan before them tonight is not something they are willing to support. Hawn stated the Applicant has the option of having the Planning Commission vote on this application tonight or to table it. Palm requested the Planning Commission give some direction on what type of house they would like to see for this lot. Hawn recommended the structural coverage be limited to 15 percent. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that structural coverage should be limited to 1,500 square feet and that variances to lot width and lot area are appropriate. Hawn noted the proposed side yard setbacks are also an issue that will need to be addressed. Hawn inquired whether the Applicant would like this application tabled in order to give him time to revise his plans. PAGE 6 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#01-2730 Ace Properties,Continued) Palm stated he would like to have it tabled. Stoddard moved,Mabusth seconded,to table Application#01-2730,Ace Properties, 3375 Crystal Bay Road,to allow the Applicant time to revise his plans. VOTE: Ayes 7,Nays 0. (#5) #01-2732 REVIS L. STEPHENSON,IH., 1850 FOX RIDGE ROAD,CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT,7:30 p.m.—7:58 p.m. Revis Stephenson,Applicant,was present. Weinberger stated the Applicant has requested a conditional use permit to permit land alteration over 500 cubic yards on the property located at 1850 Fox Ridge Road. The project would consist of clear cutting the slope and depositing approximately 3,280 cubic yards of fill. The purpose of the project is to create a gradual slope rather than the existing steep drop from the immediate back yard of the house. The source of the fill is from the Orono Woods apartment building located at the northwest corner of Highway 12 and Brown Road. Weinberger stated a conditional use permit is required for land alteration greater than 500 cubic yards. The slope on this lot is not located within a shoreland area. Weinberger stated some existing less mature trees would be removed within the intent of the Applicant to replant once the fill is placed on the hillside. The Applicant is also proposing to plant additional trees and natural grasses. Weinberger stated it is not the intent of the Applicant to maintain this area as lawn but as a natural area. Weinberger stated approximately 300 truck loads of fill will be delivered to the site. The source of the fill is from the senior apartment building site located at Highway 12 and Brown Road. The City Engineer has expressed some concerns about the potential damage to Fox Ridge Road, which is a City street, given the number of truck loads that will be traveling over this road. Staff is recommending the property owner provide some type of financial guarantee that could be used to correct any damage caused by the contractors' activities. Weinberger stated a utility easement is located through the property, which was granted in the 1970s as part of a Metropolitan Council project. The sewer main line was never constructed and portions of the original easement located over the 20 acre property north of the Luce Line Trail was vacated years ago when it was determined the line would not be constructed. The easement located across this property and other lots in the Fox Ridge neighborhood has not been vacated. Staff is requesting input from the Metropolitan Council on the future use of this easement and whether it can be vacated. Staff is recommending approval of the application based on the following conditions: 1. A determination is made by all agencies with rights to the utility easement that 12 feet of fill can be located over the easement. 2. A letter should be submitted by the property owner indicating that two silt fences would be installed to protect the existing wetland, and that the silt fence would be installed prior to any tree removal or land alteration. PAGE 7 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#01-2732 Revis Stephenson,Continued) 3. The MCWD shall issue an erosion control permit prior to issuance of a land alteration permit. 4. The flushing station located on the property shall be protected by fencing to ensure it will not be damaged during the project. 5. All slopes shall be restored with a minimum of four inches of topsoil and seeded or restored with some type of erosion control measure,erosion control plan shall be approved by the MCWD and City Engineer. 6. The property owner provide some type of financial guarantee that could be used to correct any damage to the road caused by the contractor's activities. 7. Fox Ridge Road is a residential street. The contractor shall place signs on Fox Ridge Road alerting other users of the road where the work will be taking place. 8. Temporary fencing shall be installed around the construction activity to separate the land alteration activity from the surrounding property. Stephenson stated he is adamant about protecting the wetlands in this area and is agreeable with most of the conditions listed in the Planner's Report. Stephenson requested clarification of Item#6 relating to the financial guarantee. Stephenson commented he was informed by the contractor that the road should not be damaged, noting the road currently is in poor shape. Stephenson stated the neighbors are supportive of this project since it will eliminate the steep slope,and that his intentions are to plant native grasses and trees in this area to help restore the area back to its natural state. Mabusth suggested the Applicant discuss the financial guarantee with the contractor. Weinberger stated the work is not expected to start until mid December, and if the ground is frozen by then,the hauling of the fill will not be as big of a concern. Stephenson indicated he has no control over when the fill will be brought in,with the project expecting to take between five and six days. Smith inquired whether the impact on the wetland over time would be better or worse with this project. Weinberger stated the City Engineer has indicated that the rate of water runoff will slow down by changing the grade in this area. In addition, vegetation will be planted in the areas where currently there is just dirt,which should help prevent erosion. Hawn recommended a deadline of May 30, 2002 be required for the landscaping and planting. Stephenson stated he does not have a problem with that requirement. Smith inquired whether the Applicant would be planting the same number of trees that will be removed. PAGE 8 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#01-2732 Revis Stephenson,Continued) Stephenson stated he would like this area to be well-forested and intends to plant natural prairie grasses as well as pine trees, oaks,maples, and apple trees. Stephenson stated that currently the majority of the trees consist of box elders that will be removed as part of this project as well as two maple trees. Stephenson reiterated that the road presently is in poor condition and that he has a concern regarding a financial guarantee. Lindquist stated the City needs to have a letter of security on file prior to the commencement of this project. Stephenson inquired what amount the City would be requesting. Gaffron recommended the City Engineer and the Public Works Director meet with the Applicant to discuss the current condition of the roadway and document any existing problems. Gaffron recommended this item be left up to the City Engineer and the Public Works Director to determine what the appropriate amount of security would be. Gaffron suggested the Applicant speak with Gappa following the hearing. Stephenson stated he is agreeable to do that. Gaffron inquired when the Applicant is proposing to place the black dirt on the property. Stephenson stated he would like to do that at the time he does the planting. Gaffron recommended the deadline for completion of the planting be moved to June 30`h to avoid problems with winter road restrictions. Fritzler inquired whether the entire fill would be spread this year. Stephenson stated the fill would be spread in conjunction with the dumping. Fritzler expressed a concern that the dirt may freeze before the contractor would be able to spread it. Frizler suggested the Applicant also advise the contractor to do periodic cleanup of the road, noting the contractor is prohibited from leaving anything on the roadway. Stephenson indicated they would comply with the applicable laws. Lindquist moved, Smith seconded,to recommend approval of Application#01-2732, Revis L. Stephenson,HI., 1850 Fox Ridge Road,granting of a conditional use permit to permit land alteration over 500 cubic yards on the property located at 1850 Fox Ridge Road,subject to the conditions outlined in the November 13,2001 Planner's Report,and further subject to total restoration of the area being completed by June 30,2002. VOTE: Ayes 7,Nays 0. PAGE 9 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#6) #01-2734 MARGIE NEWTON,505 ORCHARD PARK ROAD,VARIANCE, 7:59 p.m.—8:09 p.m. Margie Newton, Applicant, and Thomas Bren,Contractor,were present. Weinberger stated the Applicant is requesting a variance to permit an existing horse barn to remain on the property located closer to the front property line than the new proposed house. Orono's Zoning Ordinance prohibits accessory buildings from being located closer to the front property line than a principal structure. Weinberger stated the Applicant is proposing to construct a 621 square foot addition to the barn. The proposed building would be 1,700 square feet. Any building over 1,000 square feet is considered an oversized accessory building. The barn location meets standards required for special setback regulations that apply to private barns and stables. The Applicant currently has two horses on the property that she would like to retain. Weinberger stated new soil testing and septic design has been submitted by the Applicant and approved by the City's on-site septic manager for a four bedroom house,which could be expanded to a five bedroom is needed. Staff is recommending approval of the variance to permit the oversized accessory building to remain on the property based on the existing building location,the best building site on the lot is located behind the barn,and it allows for a walkout at the highest lot elevation. Mabusth noted the riding arena would also be subject to the principal structure setbacks. Bren indicated the paddock area would just be used for pasture. Bren stated at this time they do not intend to use it for anything but pasture. Hawn recommended the Planning Commission grant a variance for accessory use to the land. Rahn inquired whether the original house has been removed. Weinberger stated the house was removed a couple of weeks ago. Newton indicated the addition to the barn would be used for storage, noting she has a camper she would like to store inside. Bren stated the principal residence would be constructed prior to the addition to the barn. There were no public comments regarding this application. Hawn moved,Lindquist seconded,to recommend approval of Application#01-2734,505 Orchard Park Road,granting of a variance to permit the oversized accessory building to remain on the property without a principal structure,subject to the construction of the principal residence located behind the barn occurring prior to the addition to the barn,and granting of a variance permitting accessory use of land. VOTE: Ayes 7,Nays 0. PAGE 10 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#7) #01-2735 PROPOSED ZONING CODE AMENDMENT,SECTION 10.03, SUBD. 14, STRUCTURAL LOT COVERAGE ORDINANCE STANDARDS,8:10 p.m.—8:30 p.m. Gaffron stated this proposed zoning code amendment relates to in-ground pools and whether they should be included as lot coverage by structure. The City originally approved this ordinance approximately 10 years ago, with a decision later being made to include in-ground pools in lot coverage by structure calculations. Gaffron noted this item was noticed as a public hearing. Hawn stated some members of the Planning Commission would prefer that in-ground pools continue to be included in the lot coverage by structure calculation in an effort to reduce massing on the property, noting that the Planning Commission is split on this issue. Lindquist noted on lots less than two acres some members of the Planning Commission felt that pools should be counted as structural coverage. Stoddard commented that decks are also considered hardcover. Smith suggested that Planning Commission also review the deck issue. Rahn concurred that this issue should be addressed further. Hawn noted Mary King was in the audience, and inquired what her structural coverage would be if the pool were included in the calculation. King indicated they are proposing 15 percent structural coverage with their new residence, and if the pool were included in that calculation, it would bring it up to 23 percent. Gaffron suggested the Planning Commission might want to consider some revisions to the ordinance since there is not a clear consensus. There were no further public comments regarding this application. Hawn moved,Mabusth seconded,to recommend approval of Application#01-2735,Proposed Amendment of Zoning Code,Section 10.03,Subd. 14(C),Lot Coverage by Structures Standards,with the understanding that in-ground pools and decks should be considered hardcover and not structural coverage,and that the hardcover should be regulated on lots over 1,000 square feet back from the lakeshore and on properties less than two acres. VOTE: Ayes 4,Nays 3, Smith,Lindquist and Fritzler Opposed. PAGE 11 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (#8) #2333 PROPOSED ZONING CODE AMENDMENT,SECTION 10.20, SUBD. 4C, HOME OCCUPATION STANDARDS,8:31 p.m.—8:33 p.m. Hawn inquired whether there was anyone in the audience who wished to comment on this zoning code amendment. There were no public comments regarding this item. Hawn stated it is the desire of the Planning Commission to table this matter in order to discuss it in a joint work session with the City Council. Hawn moved,Mabusth seconded,to table Application#2333,Proposed Zoning Code Amendment, Section 10.20,Subd. 4C,to a joint work session with the City Council. VOTE: Ayes 7,Nays 0 PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS (#11)PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 15,2001 Lindquist moved,Fritzler seconded,to approve the minutes of the October 15,2001 Planning Commission meeting as submitted. VOTE: Ayes 7,Nays 0. (#12) SELECTION OF REPRESENTATIVES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ON NOVEMBER 26,2001 AND DECEMBER 10,2001 November 26—Hawn December 10—Smith (#10) OTHER ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION Hawn, on behalf of the Planning Commission and the City of Orono, thanked Dale Lindquist for his many years of service on the Planning Commission. Hawn noted this is Lindquist's last meeting with the Planning Commission. (#9) REPORT OF PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVES ATTENDING COUNCIL MEETINGS OCTOBER 22,2001 AND NOVEMBER 13,2001 Stoddard stated he attended the October 22 Council meeting,with the City Council discussing the Forest Lake Landing issue. The Council after some discussion voted to make this access a Class I, which allows pedestrian access to the lake and small boat launching. Stoddard noted the Council restricted swimming or fishing at this location. Gaffron stated the City wanted to avoid opening this lake access point up to something it had never been in the past, noting that the residents in this area may have been using an incorrect pathway to the PAGE 12 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY,NOVEMBER 19,2001 6:30 o'clock p.m. (Report of Planning Commission Representatives,Continued) lake in the past. Gaffron stated the Council voted to limit access to the lake at this location to just pedestrian access. Stoddard stated the Council did approve the application on Baldur Park subject to the Applicant connecting to City sewer. Gaffron stated the City has not yet received a sewer easement over the adjoining property. Weinberger stated the adjoining property owner is proposing to construct two houses on his land and would like to hook up to City sewer. Weinberger commented the Applicant is considering reducing his proposal to one house. Mabusth stated she attended the November 13, 2001 City Council meeting, noting that Western Steel did submit a revised plan for their property. Mabusth stated they are proposing to install an outdoor gas pump on their property with an overhead canopy. Mabusth stated the Council also approved the fence ordinance,with the Council suggesting the Planning Commission continue to look at fences located in street yards. Hawn recommended this item be discussed in a joint work session with the Council. Gaffron noted the Amoco Station would be changing to Conoco in the near future,with some signage and lighting issues needing to be addressed. ADJOURNMENT Lindquist moved,Fritzler seconded,to adjourn the meeting at 8:47 p.m. There being no further business to discuss,the meeting was adjourned at 8:47 p.m. +/yd./ 7:14414 Elizaeth Hawn,Chair PAGE 13