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PLWIING CamssiOM MDETINn OF NOTOffiER 7 1077
COUNCIL aiAMBERS - 7:30 P.H ’
I. CURRENT ITBB
A. Action Items
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Gall to Order
*318 - Mlic Hearing - 7:30 p.m.
James Lawrence - 1550 Sixth Avenue V
,,7. Subdwision (Preliminary)
*324 - ^blic l^fearing - 8:00 pTm.
#325 ^ Landing*325 - Mlic Hearing - 8:15 p'm.
- 1125 Spring Hill Road
Mi mil- (Preliminary)
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*332 - tevid Bie - 3496 IhorclLe Drive*' Setback Undetermined
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B. IVbrk Session Items
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#334
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November 21, 1977 TTlo I'caring Scheduled
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C. Incomplete Items
1. #294 - Itey Marina - Lacks Report 5 Alternate Plan;
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II. aX-lPLETED ITEMS FOR COUNCIL
A. Completed Items
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#200
#290
#330
#315
#316
#320
#321
#331
#328
- Concurred
10. #275
- Victoria Grain Company - 500 North Arm Drive
Dock Proposal - Concurred
- Lucian Strong - I860 Fox Street
Subdivision (Final) - Concurred , „ ,
- Tonka West Development - 2477 Shad>nvood Road
(Revised Frevert ^ Hall) Site f, Building Elevation Plan
- Fritz Gullickson - 960 Forest Arms Lane
Lot Area fi Width Variance - Concurred
- JoAm Henmen - 4766 North Shore Drive
Variance - Lot Area Vfidth - Concurred
- Navarre Hardware " 3400 Shoreline Drive
Reconsider Revised Plan - Concurred
- Donald Doty - 341 Westlake Street
Variance - Lot Area, Width ^ Setbacks - Concurred
- Blaine Claypool - 507 Park Lane
Emergency ^oreline Restoration - Concurred
- David Stubbs - 3965 Watertown Road • 4..
Variance - Front f, Side Setback for House Addition to Existing
Non-Conforming Lot Area Pi House Location - Concurred
- Robert F. Miite - 320 IVbodhill Road
Variance - Rear Yard Setback - Approved
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The Orono Plannii
the following mei
Members Hutt, Hai
present was Zonii
Chairwexnan McDoni
place for a publ:
Kennels for a tn
property located
Administrator pr<
the .\ffidavit of
The Fulmer's havi
Larson and are n
existing non-con:
introduced his s<
Fulmer, who will
The applicants pi
proposing to use
on the building i
agreed that it vn
sign appeared to
of the kennel woi
the Dog House Boj
The Planning Conn
public. Dick Se'.
of the kennel, ai
Selhost expresse<
general appearan<
In response, Brii
the problems of ‘
odor. He asked ■
liave cleaned up *
will take awhile
The reason they j
would like to fi:
operation should
business for the
ceiling in the m
viiich would redui
be living on the
noise also and w
The applicant al:
be a boarding op
maximum capacity
on holidays and :
concrete as well
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CITY OF ORONO, MINNFiiOTA
MINUTES OF A PLANNING C0M4ISSIO4 MEETING HELD NOVEMBER 7, 1977
The Orono Planning Commission met on the above date with
the following members present: Chairwoman ^fcDonald,
Members Hurr, Hairmerel, Hassel, Hannah, Frahm. Also
present was Zoning Administrator Hank Muhich.
Chairwoman McDonald announced that this was the time and
place for a public hearing on the petition of Wayside
Kennels for a transfer of a conditional use permit of
property located at 3505 Wayzata Boulevard. The Zoning
Administrator presented the Notice of Public Ifearing and
the i'^fi davit of Piilication.
The Fulmer’s have purchased this property from Norman
Larson and are requesting approval for a transfer of the
existing non-conforming use. Dr. Fulmer was presort and
introduced his son and daughter-in-law, Brian and Cathy
Fulmer, who will be running the kennel operation.
The applicants presented a sketch of a sign they are
proposing to use in place of all the signs now posted
on the building and the property. The Planning Commission
agreed that it would be an improvement. The size of the
sign appeared to meet the code requirements. The name
of the kennel would be changed from Wayside Kennels to
the Dog House Boarding Kennels.
The Planning Commission opened the discussion to the
public. Dick Selhost, who owns property to the south
of the kennel, and Angie Koenig were present. Mr.
Selhost expressed his coTicem regarding noise, odor and
general appearance of the property.
In response, Brian Fulmer stated that they are aware of
the problems of the past operation such as noise and
odor. He asked that everyone bear with them imtil they
have cleaned up the premises. Tliis is something that
will take awhile.
The reason they purchased the property was because they
would like to fix it up in the way they feel a kennel
operation should be and feel tliat it will be a good
business for the community. They plan to lower the
ceiling in the main building and insulate the walls
vhich would reduce the noise factor. They will also
be living on the property and will be affected by the
noise also and will attempt to control this.
The applicant also reaffirmed the fact that this would
be a boarding operation with a maximum of 60 dogs. This
maximum capacity would very seldom occur except possibly
on holidays and some weekends. The outside nins will be
concrete as well as the inside. The dogs will be inside
after a reasonable hour. The operation would be open to
the public and staff for inspection.
ATTENDANCE - 7:30 P.M.
PUBLIC HEARING - 7:30 P.M,
WAYSIDE KENNELS
3505 WAYZATA BOULEVARD
TRANSFER OF CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT FOR EXISTING NON-
CONFORMING USE
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After all the pub!
at 7:50 p.m.
The Planning Conin;
tion. The Coramis:
and enthusiastic ]
to improve the pr
they observed a v:
Fulmer's have sta:
After some discusj
approval of the t]
date new licenses
a boarding kennel
that no dogs be st
that the kennel ft
business or would
or other health ii
exists. Motion -
The question of t!
Dr. Fulmer explaii
would be similar •
treated with chem
be decomposed in i
be. Dr. Fulmer f
from three horses
Hassel moved. Ham
include: the was
generally accepte
safety or welfare
Ayes (6), Nays (0
Chairwoman McDona
place for a publi
Lawrence for a su
Sixth Avenue N.
Notice of Public
The Zoning Admini
just north of the
mitted for subdiv
division and rear
the east lot of t
lots meet the 2-a
short of the requ
Fred Herfurth, re
He presented a co
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HEARING - 7:30 P.M.
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ITINUTES OF A PLANNING CO^IISSION MEETING HELD NOVEMBER 7, 1977 - PAGE 2
After all the public were heard, the public hearing was closed
at 7:50 p.m.
WAYSIDE KENNELS
(continued)
(#318)
The Planning Connission continued disscussion of the applica
tion. The Commission felt that the applicants were responsible
and enthusiastic people and would be reliable in their attempts
to improve the property. Several of the members steted that
they observed a vast improvement on the property since the
Fulmer's have started cleaning up the property.
After some discussion, Hassel moved, Hananerel seconded, to recommend
approval of the transfer of the Conditional Use Permit to expire on the
date new licenses are required on the condition that this is primarily
a hoarding kennel and the capacity would be no more than 60 dogs. Also,
that no dogs be sold for experimental purposes. Also, tne understanding
that the kennel facilities be open to the public under normal hours of
business or would be inspected from time to time by the building inspector
or other health inspector from the City to see that no unsaie health condition
exists. Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (o).
The question of the disposal of the manure was brought up.
Dr. Fulmer explained that the process for the waste disposal
would be similar to a satellite facility which would be
treated with chemicals. When the container is full it would
be decomposed in much the same way that a septic tank would
be. Dr. Fulmer further stated that the total amount of waste
from three horses would exceed waste from 60 dogs.
Hassel moved, Hammerel seconded, to amend the motion to
include: the waste material will be disposed of in a
generally accepted method so as not to cause a health,
safety or welfare problem on the property. Motion -
Ayes (6), Nays (0).
Chairwoman McDonald announced that tliis was the time and
place for a public hearing on the petition of James
Lawrence for a subdivision of property located at 1550
Sixth Avenue N. The Zoning Administrator presented tlie
Notice of Public Hearing and the Affidavit of Publication.
PUBLIC lE/XRING - 8:00 P.M.
JAMES LAWRENCE
1550 SIXTH AVENUE N.
SUBDIVISION (PRELIMINARY)
(#323)
The Zoning Administrator advised that this subdivision is
just north of the Douglas Dayton property recently sub
mitted for subdivision. The proposal consists of a sub
division and rearrangement of the Lawrence property of
the east lot of the Dayton subdivision. The proposed 8
lots meet the 2-acre area requirement. Lot 1 is 6 ft.
short of the required 200 ft. lot width requirement.
Fred Herfurth, representing the applicant, was present.
He presented a copy of the statement of the subdivider.
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Tlie Planning Conu
Engineer and the
concerns relatin
The Planning Corn:
Hennepin County
access to County
The Planning Com
road. The propo
exceeds 500 ft.
Mr. Herfurth tha
on roads exceed!
Gloria Swanson \
would involve
advised that th€
After all the pi
closed at 8:10 i
The Planning Cor
this proposal,
submitted befor<
of the letter f;
was also presen
that Mr. Herfur
of the Minnehahi
After some disc
table this appl
additional engi
creek and drain
culations of dr
Also suggested
to 20r ft. subj
87,120 sq. ft.
plan as noted 1
Motion - Ayes (
Chairwoman McDc
place for a pul
(lou Oberhausei
UU70 and 4^180 I
presented the I
Publication.
Mr. Oberhauser
present. The t
were previous 1;
and Mr. Johnsoi
were not recor
repi’esents Mr.
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Tlie Planning Commission revieved letters suLniitted by y
Engineer and the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District stating uheir
concerns relating to wetlands drainage and the ' *
The Planning Commission reviewed the letter rece ve x
Hennepin C^nty indicating their approval of the proposed
access to County Road 6.
Mr. Herfurth that Orono's policy hat been to require bO ft.
on roads exceeding 500 ft.
Gloria Swanson was present. She inquired if this
would involve multi-entry roads off County Road 6. ohe
advised that there would be one private, gravel roa .
After all the public were heard, the public hearing was
closed at 8:10 p.m.
The Planning Commission continued discussion
this proposal. Mr. Herfurth received a copy ot the letter
submitted before preliminary approval is
of the letter from the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District
was also presented to Mr. Herfurth. Mr. Muhich suggested
that Mr. Herfurth meet with Greg Frank and John Holmquisfc
of the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District.
After some discussion, McDonald moved, Fruham secoMed, to
table this application to allow Mr. Herfui-th to obtain the
additional engineering data to resolve the status of the
creek and drainage plans for easement purposes, and cal
culations of dry buildable areas of each projected lot.
Also suggested revising access width to 60 ft. and lot 1
to ?00 ft. subject to adjacent lot 2 meeting necessary
87,120 sq. ft. area. Also requested a grading and drainage
plan as noted in City Engineer’s .letter.
Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (O).
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Chairwoman McDanald aimounced that this was the tline and
plane for a public hearing on the petition of Bernnan^ Reiiing
(Lou Oberhauaer) for a subdivision of property located at
4470 and 4480 Forest lake Landing. The Zoning Administrator
presented the Notice of Public Hearing and the Affidavit of
Publication.
Mr. Oberhauser, Mr. Hold and Mr. Reiling’s daughter were
present. The Zoning Administrator e>qilained these properties
were previously owned by Mr. Reiiing and sold to Mr. Holm
and Mr. Johnson. Both purchasers learned tnat the parcels
were not recorded with the County. Mr. Oberhauser, who
represents Mr. Reiiing, is requesting approval ot a subdivision
of these properties so that the titles can be cleared.
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PUBLIC HEARING - 8:30 P.M.
BERNHARD REILING
(LOU OBERHAUSER)
4470 & 4480 FOREST LAKE
LANDING
SUBDIVISION ( PRET^IMINARY)
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Neither lot meets
Each lot contains
the lot line. Th
driveway together
problem to reloce
presented a petit
to the proposal.
Gerald Hagen was
After all the put
closed at 8:35 P*
The Planning Comn
The Planning Conm
would be a remedy
Frahm moved. Hast
preliminary subdi
to eliminate poss
Motion - Ayes (6]
Chairman McDonalc:
a public hearing
subdivision of pj
The Zoning Admin;
Hearing and the I
Mr. Herfurth, rej
subdivision propt
subdivide Tract i
Comicil this pasi
would exceed the
ments. However,
and the driveway
Parcel A-1. The
the letter from •
that an easement
problems. The C
on Parcel A-1 is
commented that M
After all the pu
at 8:45 p.m.
Tlie Planning Coni!
Tlie Commission r
Creek Watershed
marsh areas alon,
provide for rata
state.
The Planning Corn;
County that the
via Spring Hill
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Neither lot meets the minimiim lot area arid width req.uirement.
Each lot contains a residence with one residence located on
the lot line. The two parties are currently using the existing
driveway together. Mr. Holm stated that it would Le no
problem to relocate the driveway if so desired. Mr. Oberhauser
presented a petition from the neighbors indicating no objection
to the proposal.
Gerald Hagen was pi’esent. He stated he had no comments.
After all the public were heard, the public hearing was
closed at 8:35 p»ni.
The Planning Commission continued discussion of the application.
The Planning Commission determined that the proposed subdivision
would be a remedy to the existing situation.
Frahm moved, Hassel seconded, to recommend approval of the
preliminary subdivision subject to access easements as necessary
to eliminate possible access problems in the future.
Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (O).
Chairman McDonald annoimced this was the time and place for
a public hearing on the petition of Conley Brook*- for a
subdivision of property located at 1125 Spring Hill Road.
The Zoning Administrator presented the Notice of Public
Hearing and the Affidavit of Publication.
Mr. Herfurth, representing Mr. Brooks, presented the preliminary
subdivision proposal. Mr. Brooks is requesting approval to
subdivide Tract A (part of original subdivision approved by
Council this past August) into two i>arcels. Both parcels
would exceed the minimum 2 acre and 200 ft. Tot width require
ments. However, there is only one access for the two parcels
and the driveway entering Parcel A-2 is partially located on
Parcel A-1. The Zoning Administrator presented a copy of
the letter from the City Engineer in which he i-ecommended
that an easement be included to eliminate any possible legal
problems. The City Engineer also noted that a garage located
on Parcel A-1 is not showfi on t’ne preliminary plat. Mr. Herfurth
commented that Mr. Brooks may consider moving the bam.
After all the public were heard, the public hearing war. closed
at 8:ii-5 p.m.
Tlie Planning Commission continued to discuss the proposed plat.
The Coimnission reviewed the report submitted by the Minnehalia
Creek Watershed District indicating their concern for the
marsh areas along the creek. Tlieir recommendation is to
provide for i-etaining of these wetlands in their present
state.
The Planning Commission noted the recommendation of Hennepin
County that the pi^oposed access from the property should be
via Spring Hill Road as indicated on the plat.
PUBLIC HEARING - 8:40 P.M.
CONLEY BROOKS
1125 SPRING HILL ROAD
SUBDIVISION (PRELIMINARY)
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After some discs
the nroDOsal sub
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location of
legal descri
easement pui
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Review comme
City Pnginee
Motion - Ayes (6
Ha mine re 1 mo ve d,
Planning Conimirs
Motion - Ayes (6
Mr. Gridley was
revised proposal
previously propc
of the Hennepin
the proposal wou
lots. Mr. Gridl
septic system wc
before a buildir
istrator present
rent,al in the an
reimbursed by th
County Park Rese
Orono*s position
was their undera
to utilize and d
of Big Island fc
Mayor Van Nest w
ago Orono, by re
procuring as muc
turn as much of
Metropolitan are
still supports t
reaffirm same.
Hennepin County
position.
Mr. French was a
be difficult to
meet on the zoni
After some discu
to recommend app
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fI,EY BROOKS
!5 SPRING HILL ROAD
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After some discussion, Kassel moved, Hannah seconded, to table
the proposal subject to the following:
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location of existing bam on lot A-1
legal description of designated wetlands area for consei-vation
easement purposes
Determine what coirnx>n driveway easements are necessaiy
Review comments of Minnehaiia Creek Watershed District and
City Engineer to see if any modifications should be made.
Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (o).
Hammeml moved, Hannah seconded, that the minutes of t'ae
Planning Commission meeting of October 17; 1977 be apx)roved.
Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (O).
Mr. Gridley was present. The Planning Coimnlssion reviewed the
revised proposal s\ibmitted for 2 lots rather than 3 lots as
previously proposed. The rex>ort received from Jim Anderson,
of the Hennepin Soils Conservation District revealed that
the proposal would meet the requii’ed dry land area for two
lots. Mr. Gridley was advised that an individual on-site
septic system would need to be approved by the City Engineer
before a building permit would be issued. The Zoning Admin
istrator presented Mr. Gridley wl.th a copy of a bill for boat
rental in the amount of $14.50 incurred by Jim Anderson to be
reimbursed by the applicant. Mr. French of the Hennepin
County Park Reserve was present. He was interested in knowing
Orono^B position for projected park use of Big Island. It
was their understanding that the City of Orono would be willing
to utilize and do all that it could to facilitate the acquisition
of Big Island for the park.
Mayor Van Nest was present. He stated that several years
ago Orono, by j*esolution, supported the Park Reserve District
procuring as mueli as possible on Big Island end to some day
turn ns much of Big Island as possible into a park for the
Metropolitan area. Mayor Van Nest further stated that Orono
still supports this position and they would be willing to
reaffirm same. Mayor Van Nest volunteered to attend the next
Hennepin County Park Reserve meeting to reaffirm Orono*s
position.
Mr. French was advised by the Planning Commission that it would
be difficult to deny this subdivision proposal as it does
meet on the zoning requirements.
After some discussion, Hannah moved, Hammerel seconded,
to recommend approval of the preliminary plat given the fact
the proposal does meet all the zoning requirements subject to
the following:
APPROVAT, OF MINUTES OF
MEEI'ING OF OCTOBER 17, 1977
DURWELL VETTER
BIG ISLAND
SUBDIVISION (PK3LIMINARI)
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payment of
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submission
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The Zoning Adr
documentation
Copies of two
tion District
been no chang'
disposal of s
residents to
that based on
of the actual
Mr. Sween anc
present . Als
Biological Ir
He stated th<
Bay is now 3:
dredging met!
of dredging ;
dredging in
Mud-cat syst
removal of a
the sediment
of the mater
and 40^ wate
and will cor
wetland will
in that the
nutrient le"'
be held for
the water ci
In the wint<
little biol'
Mr. Sween,
method of d
and that th
Mr. Wood ad
the culvert
drainage cl
West I.afay<
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^afuefetra^rj^rriorto .uU«n. .e^it belns
jritsion of e«s.on I
rn^”flt?rafi;n°o/shrreirne ro.uire Planning Co^ioslon
and Council review
- Ayes (U). Nays (D - Frahm, Al^stain (l) - Hassel.
copies of two permits l^Bsued in ^ There has
tion District were submitted. The
•been no change in the °^^Sina P 1 ^ the
disposal of spoils would be advised
residents to recerbly submitted, he was uncertainthat based on the ^^etch recei jr
of the acl.ual location of the spo.xs.
Mr. Sween and several other members ^Fi^shw^ter
koloslcal institute. He P-s-te^.s vie^^^
He stated xhe Blit i" ^ investigating of alternate
Bay is now 3s ft- “®®F- houever, that he is not a fan
dredging ^.J^t significant damage can he done hy
of dredging and felt tha 6 approval of the
dredging in the wrong way. ' t-i others, "vdiich includes
Mud-oat system of nai-d pan. When you take
removal of accumulated Bilt °nlJ > ^ on*^the land about 6o^
the sediment out of the area P“^ " ^ 3 is solids
of the material coming thro^ Hvain off into the wetland
and kaf, water. The water ^^e water in the
and will contain nutrients. ^ ^ j,as a unique advantage
wetland will he affected, hut the ,,^^od until the
in that the water can e . summer months, it would
nutrient levels have decreased. In temperature of
he held for a relatively short ^i^ h-cause t . ^
the water causes rapid «mo™i ^ is very
In the winter months, when the 'fat" 1= co ^ ^
little hiological aatr^lty ana It t I proposed
Mr. Sveon, represenV^^the A^^^ anproxlmately 30 - l^O days
:;?tLf thrp?o^ct would commence about mid-su,nmer.
west shore LAFAYETTE BAY
association
2440 OLD BEACH ROAD
DREDGING OF CHANNEL. &
DISPOSAL OF SPOILS IN
FRESHWATER BIOIDGICAL
MARSH
#319
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Mr. Wood advised that at the time is the
the culvert area n into Lake Minnetonka into
drainage channel ^til the levels are down
West Lafayette Bay ‘ .j-^e closed culvert
to satisfactory quali y* * of rain. In Dr. Wood's
'°ftof''?hneth^''of ’dL^sal^f the spoils may not necessarily
hf Sfn:kcfai:Tnf not necLsarily harmful either.
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MIIH/TES OF A PL
The projected 1
concern of the
previous applic
of the shorelir
After a lengthy
table this app:
map and details
standing that ^
Ordinance §12.^
dredging methoi
as represented
to going forwa;
that approval •
determined aft.
advantages fro
advei'sely effe
site should be
Motion - Ayes
Mr. Butterfiel
to the existin
house wct’-Ld no
side yai-d sett
advised that 6
recreat.lon roc
survey submitt
interpreted tt
setback to be
After some re^
approval of tl
variance per ]
Motion - Ayes
Mr. Nblde was
a second stor;
non-conformin
proposal WDul
plan indicate
Mr. Muhich in
was submitted
granting staf
The Planning
subject proi^e
applicant ind
that a lot cc
property acre
McDonald move
the variance
one parcel.
Motion - Aye!
,T SHORE LAFAYETTE BAY
lOCIATION
^0 01D BEACH ROAD
SDGING OF CHANHEI. h
5P0SAT. OF SPOILS IN
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The projected location for disposal of the spoils ^nv
concern of the Commission. Orono has adopted ^
previous apijlications for disposal of spoi s v ii >
of the shoreline.
After e. lemrthv discussion, Hassel noved, Hannah seconded, to
t2ll thS^piication vith the .-eduest
map and detailed plan for dredgi.« be " ^“Xte
standing that tU- dredging and spoils deposit rill
Ordinance #123, and with the understanding that the Mud-ca ^
dredaimt method will operate from the environmental standpoint
ar^p«sented. Planning Conmisslon gives conceptual approval
to 2?ng fonmrd and getting this data with
that approvc.1 of the projected spoils disposa-- site would
determined after careful review of
advantages fiom project and assur^ce that
adversely effect the quality of the water. Proposed disposal
site should be marked. ^ M,.TV>nald
Itot.lon - Ayes (4), Nays (1) - Hurr, Abstain (1) - McDonald.
Mr. Butterfield was present. He is requesting
to the existing structure. The addition to the soubh end of the
house would not interfere with the existing non-conforming
si^ y^^ setback to the north. The Zoning Administrator
advisL fnat staff had issued a permit for the family and
recreation room portion subject to apprevai of the
IliSrereted the survry to indicate the existing frent yart
setback to be 24 ft. A variance of 8l ft. would be require .
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variance per plan submit.'ted.
Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (o).
TJuSS srs :"™sr
plan indicates a 20 ft. height limit.
granting staff appi-oval of t.ituations of this nature.
tiiat a lot combination vould eD imiimte any building on t >is
property across the street.
one parcel. Justification: no increase in hai'dcover.
Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (O).
LOREN BUTTERFIELD
3925 WATERTOWN ROAD
FRONT & SIDE SETBACK FOR
HOUSE ADDITION TO EXISTING ih.'.
non-conforming LOCATION
#326
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RAYMOND "MIKE" MILDE
1428 BALDUR PARK ROAD
VARIANCE - LOT ARFA fij WIDTH
AND LAKE3H0RE Sc SIDE YARD
SETBACK ON EXISTING NON
CONFORMING LOT AND HOUSE
#327
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Mr. Dom was
his proposal
garage. A s t
variance cou
appeared to
coiild be ver
Inform appli<
necessary be:
detenninatio;
Hassel moved
Mr. Dom was
Motion - Aye
Mr. Bie was
proposal for
the gi*ound f
The Zrfjning A
the final pi
sketch prese
variances wo
parking requ
change in th
The Planning
County Road
felt that ac
by Hennepin
Road 15.
After some d
recoiTimend an
and rear yar
elevation pi
1. Protectl
approved
2. Access C(
Motion - Aye
The Plannin^^
length ofiene
Cornty Road
action for E
location. 1
work sessior
Steve Plowm£
plat was api
of the park
drainage pit
ments. Oncf
< BUTTERFIELD
WATERTOWN ROAD
P & SIDE SETBACK FOR
a ADDITION TO EXISTING
X>NPORMING LOCATION
iKD "MIKE" MDLDE
BALDUR PARK ROAD
iNCE - lOT AREA & WIUTH.
AKESHORE & SIDE YARD '
^CK ON EXISTHIG KON-
)RMING lot AND HOUSE
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Mr. Dom was not present. The Planning Conunission reviewed
his preposal 'vAiich consists of the construction of e detached
garage. A survey was not submitted, and the exact extent of the
variance could not be determined. The Planning Commission
appeared to indicate approval of the concept if all dimensions
could be verified. The Planning Commission directed staff to
inform, applicant that at least a partial survey would be
necessary before the Planning Commission could maite a definite
determination of the extent of the variance.
Hassel moved, Hurr seconded, to table the application as
Mr. Dorn was not present.
Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (o).
Mr. Bie was present. Tiie Planning Commission reviewed his
proposal for an electrical shop and gift/hobby shop area on
the gi*oiLn<I floor with rental office space on the second floor.
The Zoning Adiainistrator advised the Planning Commission th.at
the final plans are soine\diat different than the preliminary
sketch presented to the Planning Conimlssion previously in that
variances would be necessary frem both rear setback and
parking requirements. The final plans also indicated no
change in the originally preposed access to County Road ±5.
The Planning Commission discussed the proposed curb cut on
County Road 15. Several members oC the Planning Conunission
felt that access should be to Navarre Lane. A letter submitted
by Hennepin County also inilicated no direct access to County
Road 15.
After some discussion, Hassel moved, McDonald seconded, to
recommend approval of a variance to the parking requirements
and rear yard setback, and approval of site and ouilding
elevation plans subject to the following:
1. Protection of landscape areas with curbing or other
approved method
2. Access come off Nava.rre Lane only
Motion - Ayes (3), Nays (2) - Hamraerel, Hurr, Abstain (l) - Frahm.
The Planning Commission also reviewed hasaixls resulting from full
length opened curb cut from Burl Tree establishment onto
Co’.mty Road 15. Recommended Council consider initiating some
action for solution to existing hazardous situation at this
location. The Planning Commission took action on the following
work session items:
Steve Plowman and his attorney were present. This subdivision
plat was approved by Council June 28, I976, subject to payment
of the park dedication fee and engineer's approval of the
drainage plans. Tne applicant never fulfilled these require
ments. Once again, they are requesting final approval.
EARL DORN
4o45 WATERTOWN ROAD
VARIANCE - FROIVP SETBACK
AREA & SIDE SETBACK
UNDETERMINED
#329
DAVID BIE
3496 SHORELINE DRIVE
VARIANCE - LOT AREA &
m?AR SETBACK - COMMERCIAL ^
(B-5) SITE PLAN & BUILDING
ELEVATION PLAN APPROVAL
#332
JOE BRAUN
3024 CASCO POINT ROAD
SUBDIVISION- RE-EVALUATE
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After review of
schedul.e a publ
submission of t
Motion - Ayes (
The Planning Co
of subject prop
design and ease
Applicant might
previously subm
necessary.
A public heariri
at 7i30 p.m.
The Planning Co
Tlioraas I.yon (#3
Hassel moved, H
at 11:50 p.m.
ARL DOM
045 WATERTOWN ROAD
ARIANCE - FROlfT SETTBACK
REA ^ SIDE SETBACK
TTDErTERMINED
#329
lAVID BIE
\h96 SHORELINE DRIVE
rARIANCE - LOT AREA &
U3AR SETBACK - COMMERCIAL
(B-5) SITE PLAN & BUILDING
ilLEVATION PLAN APPROVAL
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502^^ CASCO POINT ROAD
5UBDIVISION- RE-EVALUATE
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After review of the proposal, Hassel moved, Frahra seconded, to
schedule a public hearing at the earliest possible date upon
submission of the certified property owners list \rithin 30O ft.
Motion - Ayes (6), Nays (o).
The Planning Commission directed staff to review drainage
of subject properties wioh tiie City Engineer to determine
design and easements necessary to provide adequate drainage.
Applicant might be required to revise mylars and hardshells
previously submitted to indicate any easements that might be
necessary.
A public hearing was scheduled for Monday, November 21, 1977#
at 7^30 p«m.
The Planning Commission went into work sessions on the following:
Tlioraas lyon (#333 Dennis Krump (#335)*
Hassel moved, Hiirr seconded, that the meeting be adjourned
at 11:50 p.rn.
GEORGE JACKSON CONST. CO.
90 S. WILLOW DRIVE
SUBDIVISION (PRELIMINARY)
#33't
ADJOURNMENT - 11:50 P.M.
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AGENDA
PLANNING COMNDSSION NtEETING OF NOVE^tBER 7, 1977
COUNCIL aiAimERS - 7:30 P.M.
I. CURRENT ITEMS
A. Action Items
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
Call to Order
#318 - Public Hearing - 7:30 p.m.
Wayside Kennels - 3505 Wayzata Boulevard
Transfer of conditional use permit for existing non-conforming use
#323 - Public Hearing - 7:45 p.m.
James Lawrence - 1550 Sixth Avenue N.
Subdivision (Preliminary)
#324 - Public Hearing - 8:00 p.m.
Bemliard Reiling (Lou Oberhauser) - 4470 P, 4480 Forest Lake Landing
Subdivision (Preliminary)
#325 - Public Hearing - 8:15 p.m.
Conley Brooks - 1125 Spring Hill Road
Subdivision (Preliminary)
Minutes of Regular Meeting of October 17, 1977
#309 - Dunvell Vetter - Big Island
Subdivision (Preliminary)
#319 - West Shore Lafayette Bay Association - 2440 Old Beach Road
Dredging of Qiannel f, Disposal of Spoils in Freshwater Biological Marsh
#326 - Loren Butterfield - 3925 Watertovm Road
Variance - Front Pj Side Setback for House Addition to Existing
Non-Conforming Location
#327 - Raymond **Mike** Molde - 1428 Baldur Park Road
Variance - Lot Area P? Width and Lakeshore Side Yard Setback
on Ibcisting Non-Conforming Lot and House
#329 - Earl Dorn - 3965 Watertown Road
variance - Front Setback - Area P, Side Setback Undetermined
#332 - David Bie - 3496 Shoreline Drive
Variance - Lot Area P, Rear Setback - Commercial (B-5)
Site Plan and Building Elevation Plan Approval
B. V/ork Session Items
1.#333
2.#334
3.#335
4.#2
- Thomas Lyon - 4790 North Shore Drive
Variance - Lot Area
- Geroge Jackson Construction Co. - 90 S. Willow Drive
Subdivision (Preliminary) - Public Hearing Scheduled for
November 21, 1977, at 7:30 p.m.
- Dennis Krump - 280 Tonka Avenue
Variance - Lot Area Widtli and Street Sctlvick
- Joe Braun - 3024 Casco Point Road
Subdivision (Final?) - Re-E/aluate
Agenda - Nov
Page 2
)n-conforming use
5rest Lake Landing
each Road
water Biological Marsh
n to Existing
Yard Setback
se
determined
B-5)
rive
lied for
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Agenda
Page 2
- November 7, 1977
C. Incomplete Items
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1.#294 -
2.#306 -
3.#308 -
James I-fcClearv - 3445 Bayside Road
Dredging Application for Stubbs ]iay Marina - Lacks Report ^ Alternate Plan
Colpepper Land Co. (Neslund) - 40 N. Orono Orchard Road
Subdivision (Preliminary) - Lacks Complete Reports
Sidney Rebers - 2060 Wayzata Boulevard
Subdivision (Preliminary) Rezoning - Lacks Complete Reports
II. COMPIETED ITEMS FOR CaiNCIL
A. Completed Items
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
#200
#290
#330
#315
#316
#320
#321
#331
#328
10. #275
- Victoria Crain Company - 500 North Arm Drive
Dock Proposal - Concurred
- Lucian Strong - 1860 Fox Street
Subdivision (Final) - Concurred
- Tonka West Development - 2477 Shad>avood Road
(Revised Frevert ^ Hall) Site P, Building Elevation Plan - Concurred
- Fritz Gullickson - 960 Forest Arms Lane
Lot Area Pi Width Variance - Concurred
- JoAnn Heirmen - 4766 North Shore Drive
Variance - Lot Area P, Width - Concurred
- Navarre Hardware - 3400 Slioreline Drive
Reconsider Revised Plan - Concurretl
- Donald Doty - 341 Westlake Street
Variance - Lot Area, Width 5 Setbacks - Concurred
- Blaine Claypool - 507 Park Lane
Emergency Shoreline Restoration - Concurred
- David Stubbs - 3965 Watertown Road
Variance - Front P» Side Set bad; for House Addition to Existing
Non-Conforming Lot Area P, House Location - Concurred
- Robert F. White - 320 Woodhill Road
Variance - Rear Yard Setback - Approved
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PLANNING C(>WIS
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kennel establis
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Cbnmission meet
STAFF - October
Enclosed is a o
kennel operatia
STAFF - October
Dr. Richard Ftiln
recently. He si
He appeared to I
attention in the
cooperate with t
associates with
mainly in feeds.
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Hank Muhidi, Zoning Administrator #31S
September 29, 1977
Wayside Kennels - 3505 Wayzata Boulevard
Transfer of Conditional Use Permit for Existing Non-Ccnfoiming Use
purchasing the Ifayside Kennel property, -niey have
a purchase agreement with Norm Larson contingent upon receiving Council *r
approval for a transfer of the existing non-confoiming use (dog kennel operation)
^ ey have inforn^ us they have intentions of inproving the operation and property
M general. I think we might inform the applicant of our restrictions on e:q)and-
®*.®^^sting, non-conforming land uses if we choose to approve transfer of the conditional use permit .
We might consider requiring a public hearing to give the general public the
opportunity to respond.
PLANNING CCmiSSION MEETING - October 3, 1977
request the Fulmer's to prepare and submit a letter
STAFF - October 5, 1977
^nei%^ratio^ ^ letter to the Fulmer *s requesting resume of experiences with
STAFF - October 12, 1977
Dr. Ri^rd Fulmer was in to see me this a.m. in response to the letter I sent him
recently. He submitted the letter (copy enclosed) with a resume as requested.
He ap^ared to be very conscious of the problems that have been brought to the City’s
attentim in ^e past. Recognizing these problems, he assured me ttey would
cooperate witt us to eliminate the sources of these problems. Mr. Fulmer is
miSy^S^feeS the^Research Department of Cargill Industries. The department deals
The Fulmer’s and Larson’s are both someidiat pressed for time because of several
purc^e agre^nts expiring shortly. Mr. Fulmer has requested appearing before
Ae Planning Conmssion to introduce himself and family and to an^r any questions
Ae Ckminission might have so he can obtain conceptual viewpoint of the Planning
Commission before proceeding with the purchase agreements. ^
I assured him I would include his application as an action item for the Planning Comnission meeting of October 17, 1977. rianning
Wayside Kennels
Transfer of Con
H.AWING OCBWIS
Dr. Richard PUL
themselves and |
first venture ii
tion to a maximi
Jh®y also agreed
hours of operati
residents. The
City might consi
definite acti
appeared to be s<
. n Wilf'ap«iP
ng Use
hey have
*s
operation).
nd property
on expand-
fer of the
the
lit a letter
operators.
5S of foimer
if any.
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I sent him
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P»y also agreed
hours of operation to eliminate "thp ®sraDiishment designa
residents. The Fulmer’s also ^ operation by
City mi^ht consider necescainr ollf. -.u? with any reasonable
in day time
our
No . ‘^«*xng scneauied for November 7, 1977
appearS\o « held, but the consensus
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SUBJECT:Jam
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This proposal <
and the east h
(not complete)
The proposal c
lot is shown o
buildable area
point of both (
required by co
The proposed rc
wide. Our poll
been requiring
easement on the
drainage easeme
City engineer,
single tract fo
The location of
County Road 6 a
A park dedicati
final plat.
The area is bea:
Copies of the p;
the City Admini!
County Public Wi
A Public Hearini
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ion this was
the opera-
in day time
our
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Planning Comnission Q Council
Hank Mihich, Zoning Administrator
October 13, 1977
SUBJECT:James Lawrence - 1550 Sixth Avenue N,
SiiKlivision (Preliminaiy)
of a subdivision and rearrangement of the Lawrence property
?iot^c^lete)°^ subdivision proposal recently submitted by Douglas Dayton
road, although exceeding 500 ft. in length,is indicated as 50 ft.
jade. Our policy has been 60 ft. on roads exceeding 500 ft. in length. We*ve
oeen requiring easements on nrivate acc#»c«: marie -frtr*inriA ♦k.. _
single tract for simplification of description.
finS^pl^^^^^°*' $250.00 per lot would be forthcoming iqx>n approval of
The area is beautifully wooded but quite hilly.
Hssai «s~'™
A Public Hearing has been scheduled for November 7, 1977 at 7:45 p.m.
Barbara
Zoning S
City of
P. 0. Box
Crystal
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McCOMBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES, INC.
CONSULTING ENGINEERS ■ LAND SURVEYORS ■ SITE PLANNERS
October 28, 1977 ocr o
Barbara Ewald
Zoning Secretary
City of Orono
P.O. Box 66
Crystal Bay, MN 55323
VILLAGE OE CRO^'Q
Subject: Preliminary Subdivision
James Lawrence Property (#323)
Dear Barb:
O o
the subJe?ra^p?[cL"?or"
-P..T. several concerns regarding the preliminary olat
for the James Lawrence property. Since the grading plan
IS not included on the plat it is not possible to tell
how drainage problems will be resolved. The existing^creek
with proposed cul-de-la^anS^rowLs
I cSlver? not maintainel.
e5" rstSv.r’”*"*"
■hhrs ^ power line which runs north and south is located on
p°L-^ .aseSe«‘rt°? this
please”dvise“^''® questions or require any further information.
Very truly yours,
McODMBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES INC.
Gifeg^y Frank , P. E.
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12806 OLSON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. MINNEAPOLIS. MINNESOTA 55441 TELEPHONE (612) 5Sfl t7nn
22 NORTH MAIN STREET, HUTCHINSON. MINNESOTA SS3S0 TELEPHONE
SOITTHWEST ENGINEERING DIVISION. MARSHALL. MINNESOTA 56258 TELEPHONE (507) 532-5820
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October 18, I977
Mr* ^H, F* Muhich
Zonin-Tj ■^''^irninistrator
City of Orono
P.O. Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323
liieiiiiwi r
OCT 1? ijV:
WLLAGE OF ORONO
Re: James Lawrence Property
o Avenue North
ubdivision Application "Tanglewood"
Dear Mr. Muhich:
is appa^ntly’^part^of'^thl drainaae^’^°^?°®‘*f^°*'® ^ *Lake to Lonq Lake f system from Holy Name
this drainage cap^ci^Jjy would have to Ls?^!„
Sl«"Lrdif^?ict?l rules"® property is subject to review
information if on-site sewage dfl^osf^?ra^??cipi?Idf°"^®
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely
EUGENE A. HICKOK AND ASSOCIATES
for th|^ District
ohn A. Holmquist
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cc; D. Cochran
G. Macomber
Barbara Ew,
Zoning Sec;
City of Qr<
P.O. Box 6(
Crystal Ba:
Subjec
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As per
subject app;
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22 NOP
SOUTHWEST
Dear Barb:
McCOMBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES, INC.
CONSULTING ENGINEERS ■ LAND SURVEYORS ■ SITE PLANNERS
October 28, 1977
OCT Ci f r» *r ■•
J.U t I
VILLAGE OF ORONO
Barbara Ewald
Zoning Secretary
City of Orono
P.C. Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323
Subject:Preliminary Subdivision on
Lot Rearrangement
Bernard Reiling Property (#324)
proposed lot line realignment for the Bernard Reiling
correct the problem of encroachment of the
® located on Lot 9. However, there is only one
*”o houses. At present the South edge
fft"e"fo?s'arrLbdividerarsho:i° " "" approximately 5-
pleas”advlse^''^ questions or require any further Information,
Very truly yours.
MBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES, INC.
Gtegoifh Frank, P.E.
1280S OLSON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. MINNEAPOLIS. MINNESOTA 5S441 TELEPHONE (612) 5»MJ-»oo
22 NORTH MAIN STREET. HUTCHINSON. MINNESOTA 55350 TELEPHONe76°2)
SOUTHWEST ENGINEERING DIVISION. MARSHALL. MINNESOTA 56258 TELEPHONE (507) 532-5820
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TO:
FROM:
DAIE:
SUBJECT:
Plan
Hank
Octo
Ccnl
Siibd
Brooks is s
into two parcel
of the entire t
enclosing a cop
division idiich
hardshells). T
Our current CaxJ
as a simple div
This proposal m
original parcel
can determine w
Council determi
must be follower
Since a final p]
evidence of ease
Council on Augus
$500 park dedica
dedication fe^ w
I would like to
proposed on thi
road. The City
to eliminate an
We should also o
Miile investigat
location of tUs
I have forwarded
City Administrate
County Public Wbi
A public hearing
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FROM:
D/VIE:
SUBJECT:
Planning Conmission ^ Council
Hank Muhich, Zoning Administrator
October 13, 1977 #325
Co^ey Brooks (Peter Fox) - 1125 Spring Hill Road
Subdivision
subdivide one of the parcels (Tract A)
hardshells). The previous subdivision should be recorded wi&i theTounty.
e i requirement of a final plat (mylar and hardshel
^vision if a division results in only two parcels exceeding 5 acres,
^is pr^sal meets this condition. However, it is the second division of the
parcel so the proposal does not meet this second condition. The Council
>diether a final plat will be required for this proposals. If^e
^ f — ^ ^ necessary, the standard two step proceduremust be follcMed (preliminary plat approval and final plat approval).
Sin^ a final plat was not required with the previous proposal, there is no
conations listed in the resolution adopted by
previous approval was also given subject to a ^
$500 i»rk dedication This proposal would require only one more $250 paik
deacation fet with the addition of only one mere building^site ^
to eluninate an/ possible future problems with easements and access.
We should also consider the description of the low land for conservation easements.
I saw a structure on the proposed Lot A-1. The location of this structure is not inacated on the plat.
Smt^^ • AttZ^^^i[^^blic^WorS^Cointy Public Works Department and Watershed ^strict.
A public hearing has been scheduled for November 7, 1977 at 8:15 p.m.
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WATERSH
P.O. Box 387, Wayzata, R
■OMO Of MNA6US:
OivW M. Codifaii, ^m. • H. 0al8 Palmat
October 2
Mr. H. F.
Zoning Aa
City of Oi
P.O. Box (
Crystal Be
Re: Conic
Sprir
Dear Mr. W
We receive
Regarding
note the e
line of Lo
erty shoul
present st
be demonst:
disposal.
Thank you :
Sincerely,
EUGENE A. I
Engineers i
hn A. Hoi
JAH/cml
(Tract A)
siixlivision
m
vious
nd
hardshells)
5 acres,
f the
Council
f the
procedure
no
ptcd by
to a
pari
IS
ig access
» issue
iasements.
to the
or.
WMtKSHtD lOUNDARr
MINIMEHAHA CREEK
WATERSHED DISTRICT
P.O. Box 387, Wayzata, Minnesota 55391
•OMO OF MANMUS:
* H, Oil, . Alfcfrt L Uhman . J.nw S. R usm M . Jmr WillUmt
lARf MINNCTONRA
October 26, 1977
Mr. H. F. Muhich
Zoning Administrator
City of Orono
P.O. Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota
iilBg
27 jSV
VILLAGE OF ORONO
55323
Re; Conley Brooks Proposed Subdivision
Spring Hill Road
Dear Mr. Muhich;
^®^®ived your data on the subject proposal.
Minnehaha Creek Watershed District concerns, we
marsh areas along the creek and shore
li?® Lake. Any proposed development of this prop-
retaining these wetlands in their
Resent state. Also, adequate soil percolation rates must
disp^al^^^^^^^ proposal involving on-site sewage
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
EUGENE A. HICKOK AND ASSOCIATES
Engineers for the District
•hn A. Holmquist
JAH/cml
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McCOMBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES, INC.
CONSULTING ENGINEERS ■ LAND SURVEYORS ■ SITE PLANNERS
October 28, 1977
.Henry F. Muhich
Zoning Administrator
City of Orono
P.O. Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota
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55323 VILLAGE 05 ORONQ
Subject: Subdivision Application
Conley Brooks Property (#325)
Dear Hank:
As per your request of October 25, we have reviewed
the subject application. From the plat survey it is apparent
that the driveway entering Parcel A-2 is partially located on
Parcel A-1. Since there are large evergreens located on the
east side of the roadway, the recuMstruction of the driveway
to the east does not seem to be the best solution.
A permanent easement which would include the driveway
i.nto Parcel A-2 would eliminate any possible legal problems.
Another solution would be to change the boundary line between
the two Parcels so that the east property line of Parcel A-2
would be on the west perimeter of the existing driveway.
A garage is located on Parcel A-1 which is not shown cn
the submitted plat drawing. Since the garage is not shown, it
is not possible to tell if the garage encroaches on any property
or if there may be a problem with setback requirements.
If you have any questions or require any furtner infor
mation, please contact me.
Very truly yours.
McCbMBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES, INC.
Greg Frank, P.K.
GF: ts
1280S OLSON MEiVlOniAL IIIGHWA ,, MINNEAPOLIS, MiNNtSOfA 55t4l TELEPHONt (612) 569-3700
22 NORTH MAIN STHEET, H^/TCHINSON, MINNESOTA 55350 TELEPMONE <612) 879-8029
SOUTHWEST bNOIMfeirniNG CIV,JION. MARSHALL. MINNESOTA 56?S8 rnU l’IU ME (507) 532-5820
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TO:Plai
FROM:A. 1
DATE:Sepi
SUBJECT: Dun
Sub(
This proposed j
each exceeding
land on Big Is]
existing stnicl
County Park Re<
included in the
dock restrictic
easements over
A public hearii
PLANNING OOM^S
John Gridley, i
County Park Res
the public hear
The Planning Co
discussed:
1.Flood plain
a. detemi
b. much of
designa
c. Limited
only tw:
d. Suggest
Individ
2.Soil boring
a. Evidenc
adequati
b. Inadequ
on trac
c. Suggest
enginee:
3.Hennepin Coi
a. Suggesti
to revi!
b. If agrei
p into*' on I
on
rn, it
roperty
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FROM:
DA3E:
SUBJECT:
Planning Conndssion and Council
A. P. Olson, Asst. Zoning Administrator
#309
September 13, 1977
Durwell Vetter - Big Island
Subdivision (Preliminary)
This propos^ subdivision involves the division of one parcel into three lots,
each exce^ing the minimum 2 acre, 200 foot width requirements for dry buildable
land OT Big Island. All three parcels would retain water frontage. There are no
existing structures on the property. The abutting land is owned by the Hennepin
County PaA Reserve Board. The low or marshy lands along the shore are not
included in the area calculations. Subdivision considerations should include
dock restrictions over the shoreland marshes including open space and flowage
easements over them and a park dedication fee.
A public hearing has been scheduled for October 3, 1977, at 8:15 p.m.
PLANNING COr^SSION hCETING - October 3, 1977
John Gridley, representing Mr. Vetter, was present. John Christian of the Hennepin
County Park Reserve and Dave Vlyer of the Metropolitan Park Conmission also attended
the public hearing.
The Planning Commission reviewed the three parcel subdivision. Following items were
discussed:
1.
b.
Flood plain designation
a. deteimined at 932 elevation.
mich of original tract consists of flood plain as a vast area is
d^ignated below this 932 elevation.
Limited area above 932 elevation would probably limit the tract to
only two buildable sites.
c.
d.Suggest new proposal noting total areas above 932 elevation of each
indivi* - - - - -individual parcel (87,120 sq. ft. required).
2.Soil borings indicating high water table
a. Evidence of high water table would indicate difficulty in designing
adequate septic systems in this area.
b. Inadequate septic system design could probably prohibit any building
on tract.
c. Suggest developer submit septic plans for individual sites for City
engineer review and report.
3. Hennepin County Park Reserve's interest to acquire said property.
a. Suggested parties meet to try to reach agreement before adding cost
to revised proposal.
b. If agreement cannot be reached, submit revised proposal.
I
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Durwell Vetter - Bij
S0bdivi:iion (Prelim
Page 2
Planning Comnission
submit revised prop
the Hennepin County
Planning Comnission
report would have t
STAFF - October 6,
Letter to Hennepin
STAFF - October 26,
I'm enclosing copie
Soils Conservation
areas as suggested
Also enclosed is a
sists of only two p
district.
Building permits wi
and approved by our
Jim Anderson of the
for which he has as
attached. The deve
I have not received
The preliminary pla
7, 1977 for recomne
^09
e lots,
buildable
ere are no
Hennepin
not
nclude
lowage
Che Hennepin
Lso attended
ig items i<ere
sach
ling
Lding
2ity
zost
rl
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Durwell Vetter - Big Island
SObdiviiion (Preliminary)
Page 2 #309
Planning Comnission tabled the issue for developer to negotiate with Park Reserve or
submit revised proposal. Also directed Staff to request a soils map and report from
the Hennepin County Soils Conservation District. Zoning Administrator infoimed
Planning Comnission and developer that any costs incurred by the City for such a
report would have to be reimbursed by the developer.
STAFF - October 6, 1977
Letter to Hennepin County Soil Conservation District requesting soils map and report.
STAFF - October 26, 1977
I*m enclosing copies of the soils map and report as prepared by the Hennepin County
Soils Conservation District. The map a^ears to verify the wetlands and flood plain
areas as suggested at the Planning Commission meeting of October 3, 1977.
Also enclosed is a revised division of the original parcel. The new proposal con
sists of only two parcels - both exceeding the minimum lot requirements for this
district.
Building permits will not be issued until satisfactory septic designs are submitted
and approved by our engineer.
Jim Anderson of the Soils Conservation District has incurred some additional expenses
for which he has asked to be reimbursed. A copy of the statement for boat rental is
attached. The developer should be informed of this cost.
I have not received any further word from the Hennepin County Park Reserve.
The preliminaiy plat as revised will be up before the Planning Comnission on November
7, 1977 for recornnendation to Council.
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Reserve or
eport from
ormed
such a
and report.
in County
lood plain
sal con-
r this
submitted
al expenses
; rental is
> •
on November
473-0281
Customer's
Order
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PAULS LANDING, INC mts
SMITHS BAY — LAKE MINNETONKA
hJJSSioSk CRYSTAL BAY, MINN. 55323 .
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A MOTORS • TiRRY BASS BOATS • HARRIS A WEiRtS RONTOONS
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Dear Al:
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McCOMBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES, INC.
CONSULTING ENGINEERS ■ LAND SURVEYORSS3 0 9§f
October 19, 1977 0)i®iS??Il
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Al Olson
City of Orono
P.O. Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota
V'.LLAQE OE OI^ONQ
55323
Subject: Ourwell Vetter - Big Island
Subdivision (Preliminary)
Dear Al:
As requested, we have reviewed the preliminary subdivision
application. The proposal to divide the one parcel into three
lots should not result in any drainage alterations or necessitate
any drainage easements, based on the submitted topography.
Although, we did not conduct a site visit, we are of the opinion
that the application is acceptable.
If you should have any questions, please advise.
Very>|truly yours,
McCOMBS-WtUT^N ASSOCIATES, INC.
LmGxVigofy Frank, P.E.
GF:ts
12805 OLSON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, MINNEAPOLIS. MINNESOTA 55441 TELEPHONE (612) 559-3700
22 NORTH MAIN STREET. HUTCHINSON, MINNESOTA 55350 TELEPHONE (612) 879-8029
SOUTHWEST ENGINEERING DIVISION. MARSHALL. MINNESOTA 56258 TELEPHONE (507) 532-5820
pMnic 1 nn rjcii ndpei
AGE Of: Or^ONQ
^ subdivision
L into three
or necessitate
jgraphy.
>f the opinion
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I. INTRODUCTION
'fhis is a prcliminaiy soils evaluation and plan review of the proposed
D. F. Vetter Addition in the City of Orono.
A detailed soils map for the area of proposed development is provided
with this report. Tliis map is based on infomiation contained in "Soil
Survey of llenjiepin Coiuity" and "Landscapes of Ilennejiin Coujity" as well
as 1975 aerial photographs of the area and an on-site investigation.
Each of the soils mapped within the proposed development area is briefly
described. Favorable and unfavorable development characteristics are
discussed. Explanations of the soil map s>inbols and colors arc pre
sented in Sections II and III.
#
This is a prelininaiy soils evaluation and additional o]iginoei'ing tests
should be conducted before constniction is begun.
The potential of the soils mapped for installation of on-site soil treat
ment systems is discussed.
Methods for control of runoff and sediment from this site are discussed.
11. HOW TO USE niE SOIL MAP
To use tlie soil map one needs to Icnow what the s>mibols mean. The soil
s)inbol consists of three parts arranged as follows:
HbB2 = Hb
(Soil)
B
(Slope)(Erosion)
'fhe first tAvo letters denote the soil 1)^0; the last letter is the slope
of the land in percent, and the absence or presence of a number indicates
the degree of erosion.
Slope Legend
A
B
r
D
E
0 to 2 percent
2 to 6 percent
6 to 12 percent
12 to 18 percent
18 to 55 percent
^ro^ on_J .eg end
: ) Symbol - 0 to 1/3 topsoil lost.
2 - 1/3 to 2/3 topsoil lost.
5 - More than 2/3 topsoil lost.
m • SOIL TYPES rid-SENT
The soil ty]es found in this area were classified according to the "Soil
Sui"vcy Report of Hennepin Coimty", and the standards of the National Co
operative Soil Survey. Soil tvyes present are:
Medium
Green
proposed
provided
in "Soil
' as Kell
:ation.
is briefly
tics are
re prc-
ing tests
soil treat-
discussed.
The soil
5 the slope
er indicates
:)soil lost,
lost,
il lost.
D the "Soil
:Uional Co-
Medium
Blue
Medium
Green
Hamel loam
Hayden lojun
Lake Reaches, sajidy
Ncssel loam
ShorcK’ood silty clay loam
A brief description of each soil is provided.
provided to fatiUtate locating the soil types on the detailed sou n. p
provided with this report.
Hamel loam:
_ , • ' 1 ^ 1* I' f'hp p^an color is mcdiiim blue.
The map s>inbol for this soil is • foimcd in loaay colluvium over
■n-.is is a deep, poorly drained s . ,ev;L on foot slopes
loai.ni till. -Ihe soil occurs in M Hie native
and 'in long popiar trees. During
Kefperiods''of the year thcri is a P^^hed Ka
tfe up^rfoifhfitfnl soil has‘'low bearing values. Hiere is
a high potential for frost actio^i.
^hoyde n loam:
The soil was strongly influenced by a , forest Shale and 1ime-
ment. The natural vegetation vboulders are common through
Ilayden _1 oam - 2 to b^percent siope^
, r iThR and the map color is mcdiiun green.Tlie map synbol for this soil is • o-roas on knolls and hillsides.
ti^oi? fs-^-liltaSr^
hill seepage is not uncoiiimon attractive building'sites.
or spring thaws, '^e (volume change) is low to mod-
Soil strength is adequate. Slirink skcii | modcratelv nenn-
erate with changes m moisture content^ ig^'ieft kposed for extended
cable. Erosion is a hazard if the soil is leir l.m
periods.
4'
■is
Tagc -5-
Medium
t
Green
Dark
Green
jk‘ ^
5 * « 1*1
t -Z*.
BroKTi
■3 ; :
Brown
ay loajn
id colors are
'd soil map
.■'divuTi I'liie.
:onuviimi over
5 on foot slopes
. Hie native
r trees. During
hin 1 foot of
er content
lues. There is
cial till and
id hillsides,
n its develop-
Shale and limc-
ire common through
Each slope
;sed separately.
ncdiiim green.
> and hillsides,
[though side-
rainy seasons
Iding sites,
is low to mod-
rat ely pern
or extended
-msi
a
it
r
i a
4
h ';
Parc -0-
Medium,
Green
Dark
Green
Broun
■■'ri-1
Brownm
M:iv.icn Icnni - 6 to 12 jicrOTi^loi^el
11,0 .ap .>ir,bol for tlvis soil is
■nus is a rolling soil rly ^ saturated
and knolls. 'n,is soil is ^ ^’“”"8
altliough sidchill offer attractive
rainy seasons or spring tliaus. p,'. " siihnk-sKcll CvoUme ’cliange)
is low to moderate aTn'sard if the soil is left exposed for
erately ponr.cable. Eiosion is
extended periods.
I1aydcnJojvn_- 12 to_lllier^^
. 1 r,,,. .-',1.- toil is libD and tiie map color is dark green.
'“'Tons '"?herrLT ‘'iTgrerosion ’hLarTil ^hirLil'is ?hre!^osed.
l^^rphnnlnronloilsTfi^b as f ^UeTthriieduate.
Sh?ink-swell^‘(^^^^ moderate with changes in moisture
content. Tlie soil is moderately penneable.
The nap synbol for this soil is HbE ^d the .map j;^^;„T'sat-'
a steep soil occupying areas on . 1 reasons T^e steepness
if this soififlef'^exposed. Soil strength is
(voliDr.e change) is low to moderate with cjianges in mois
soil is moderately permeable
'favdr.n ^d bester loams - 24 to 55 jirccnHl^_OL
The map s>r,tol for this soil is ^°hldos o^ deip raiT.es.
a veiy steep soil occupying ^TTpnTs of this soil
and on slopes adjacent to TTmeiT if the natural landforn^
!•- a <;t:vere con ‘=-traint to i.iost ui Dan ucvlujj, .t.111. .5 :r tu;c -nila ??cvcic i-t- i-ui m ic n vpT-v severe erosion har.ard il this oOii
TT-ngth TTaTagiate.
is low to moderate with changes Di inoistuie conten .
erately jicmuoable.
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r '
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Medium
Blue
i * *. t
t«
: . r*
Light
Green
Lak'
Tlie
Ian
the
dep
and
wit
cor
The
NC5
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ti
ve;
in
Ne
Tl
sc
a
sc
■n
f<
1:
a
T
c
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ii
c
ricdiuJTi green.
on hillsides
;r saturated
. walls during
attractive
: (voluine 'change)
) soil is r:od-
}ft exposed for
dark green,
on hill sides
oiiies sat\irated,
:s or rainy
s left exposed,
he natural
auith is adequate,
inges in moisture
br^vs-n. This is
er becoiTics sat-
s. The steepness
piRcnt if the
re cTOsion hazard
. Shrink-swell
lire contv^nt. Tire
broVkU. This is
of deep ravines,
ness of this soil
natural 1 and f o nzs
.ard if this soil
11 (volume change)
3 soil is r.od-
: t ■ .<
paue -4-
t ^ '^1
Medium
Blue
Light
Green
■ r-
no mp s)ir,bol for this soil is i,c ^nd the .«sp around
T nd wo'consists of PO-^p); “iVo 'o 1 nnU-rinlhs sandy and was
tho shoroline of laVos and -atlands. consistod of roods, sedfios,
doposited by v;ave action. twere is a perched watenaDle
and willows. During wet periods ^ ' occur. The high organic matter■"P'.’jfs.tj; sfsAfSs s u h».«
■mis is 3 iissp, tisJsriitsly sell-‘|'3inod, Icssy „.,tivc
till, ■n.sro a^.5 S’.iil ii i" •"»vegetation vas mixed haiduoocls. me -o
in Hennepin County.
Se^seVloiffli _-J_ W J
\0Q5Cl __J* ---------------------------------- *
^ht 'mapT-bol Tor this soil is
ISil is nearly level to a?"bly slopes. Since this
to^Tis^cX XeTutX rading i's generally required.
soil lb to 5
This soil is vet for short pepods a ^pppJg"J|,ojXe°with changes
XoiX; conmnTXl Ton ”is morrately pe™eable. Soil strength is
adeauate for residential development.
Shorewood silt^JLl^l
^This is'T deep, moderately plippmep *5^”“
clavey sediments 2 to 5 feet tin pha.ses of this soil
vegetation was mixed ’'arpoods. . ■ p,ed in tlie arcii of proiiosed
mapped in Hcmiepin Coimty.
development will be discussed scpaiatciy.
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Page -5‘
Light
Red
Shor<
■it
» «>f;*
•fj
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Light
Red
The ]
is a
SiROO
requ
at a
with
gth
S]to.
Tlie
IS
Sin
SOI
dep
moi
fOT
.w'Fa tieW
DB blue, 'nils
;rials aro\md
indy and was
: roods, sodgos,
icd \va ter table
1 oi'i^anic natter
iring valuos.
in calcareous
. The native
ne slope phase
ght green. This
ow relief and on
s. Since this
; at a 5 to 5
with changes
L strength is
in calcareous
The native
this soil
1 of proposed
hi gilt
Red
hi.gbt
Fapc '6'
n?nr\y^evel soil °^-W'"?pFsT.e°ri; ^evel H«le grading is generally
smooth hilltops. Since ‘^..-eJs with a seasonal ll
required. This soil is ^ '(,.oUiae change) is raoderato
at a 3 to 5 foot ”^t' llie soil is slowly pciineable. Soil
';j;i\f:dlq^are'?orr“eshriafievelopm^^
Shpmvood s y.. i-it-ed. 'Hiis
■ The map s>inbol for this soil sfnTOtb taiolls and jj
inoisture content. The soil is sio > i
for residential development.
;ht red.
3K relief on
'.ding is geneinlly
;il vatcrtable
derate to high
able. Soil stren-
ht red. 'Fins
d hilltops. ^
required, rhis
a 3 to 5 foot
h ch.angcs in
igth is adequate
■n
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4^
V
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plan R E V I E__w
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According to tlie '■ecoMnended 0 chnancc and^ of Health
Sewage Disrosal Systems" published >^y ""°i,ed in an area where In 1Q71 "No soil absorption system shall be instauea inSewage Disposal Systems" published i^d in an area where
in 1971 "No soil absorption system "bcl^v ground level the watertable is at any time If^^than 6 1/2 feet w g
or 4 feet below the tottom of the draiiifield liuich .
Tliis line of ^hinhing has changed som^ L,mty. The
fleet research ..qI .vc-ncy KPC-40 "Individual Sewage
proposed Minnesota lolluti ' i[ ..-nie bottom of trenches
Treatment Systems Standaids btates o y Katortahle or bedrock"
and beds sliall be at least joivii innovative systems otlier than
and allows for installation of U ?ecT^^the standard subsurface trench system to moot tnis i
In the preliminary distance is
for installation of a standard soil absoiption b>st .
concern about this minima .l^teHartoKorerlffrei^
sn4?r.“ShL». £5^^^
table treatment of _th_e_ efi^^ienj^ .Mriitional inputs of effluent and
a polluted vater body near the ^',_/^fj,cing of the effluent and/or
natural water in the . house. This creates not only a
the backing up of the effluen ° health hazard if the sur-
nuisance to the home owner, but can also pose
rounding area is well populated.
The best indicator available lor of^Hcimepin'County is the
sonal watertable which often occurs n S.aion of grey
presence of soil mottles, ikd 1 | w uivcstigat ion of a pro-
posedToir2orpHon^trea?Lnt) sys^^
.^ofe^tiafoMlgi^af
a”nrof septic tank effluent will be discussed.
Tlie areas of Hanel soils and foko Reaches indioa^^ ^itliTEf f"foot^of
riur^e! ti: °rci‘larper‘srstnrfcv:r:aV:^^^^^^^ during the year.
Tnst
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absc
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Individual
cnt of Health
area vhere
ound level
years to rc-
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lual Sewage
if trenches
or bedrock"
IS other tlvm
lent .
In the mound
sand fill to
□f the seepage
ck.
gc Treatiiient^
on distance is
ter than 5 feet
( fact that it
iroperly treat
tches a watei*-
r presence ^
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fluent and/or
; not only a
rd if the sur-
ight of a sea-
a County is the
tion of grey
at ion of a pro-
e a deteim-
hackg round tlie
area for treat-
cxlium blue
n 1 foot of
ng tlie year.
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Tnstallation of any sobsurface soU «'«°H>tion system in tlm soil
obviously uould not allow tbo minunum ‘ ,iow-
,„ound system is designal for soils w th Pf’"S f
ever, tbo watertablc must not be Ingber than 2 ' J",' ^oil
for tbe mound system to function effect ncly. ns
absorption system on this type of soil is not recoimnendai.
Xcssel soils, colored green on tbe ing
indicates that tbe depth of tbo watertablc ”
separation between tbe bottom of tbe ?'^':P;‘f= *
cannot be maintained. In ound 'svstem c;m fum t ion properly.
r/?b: ,::tnl,rin"Hc-:^r^ tbft^^^^^^ present at tbe S foot depth then
a shallow trench system could provide adequate treatment.
•me llavden soils colored it.edii.n green on the ^^xonipintying ovcH
f’abir'is i„st,motion
of tbe standard stibsurface system co.iplcd with
evidence of soil mottling at a 4 to surface,
IS-SS, ”™tabW b„,.r ,b» .!»
standard system on this soil.
Sborewood soils, colored light -^0" the soils
seasonal watcrtable at a depth of 3 to 5 feet. n .wairio i ^
rates on these soils are often in excess o ’ . effectively thanthis reason an innovative mound system will function mote oiiectiioiy
either a"standard system or a shallow subsurface system.
■ eaf i:^K?ccnr\olorXdirt and'biilt" on’fho ovbrUy.
treatment system.
V. CONTROL OF RllNOfT M|^D_
to the lake during constmiction.
The methods utiliied may include use of
disturbance of a minimum area, sodding, tcviporao vcgetaijun
of tliese liiCtiiods.
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For the most fite'^fo? the°son‘’absi?ption
:lr?hr:L>i;:i:tKc°rfNhL“nrea in its .xiisturbcd state are
critical.
Provisions should be made to eliminate any saUmentation from the area
to LnLc Minnetonka during constniction.
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TO:PLANNING OONMISSION ^ COUNCIL
FROM:Haiik Muhich, Zoning Administrator
DATE: September 26, 1977
SUBJECT:West Shore Lafayette Bay Association - 2440 Old Beach Road
Dredging of Channel and Disposal of Spoils in Freshwater
Biological Center Marsh
Request to dredge existing boat channel for navigability. Application indicates
maximum of 3 ft. of dredging not to exceed 50 ft. in width.
The enclosed map of Shore Hills indicates the property owners involved. Itote: the
owner of Lot 19 is also included although the lot is not located on the shoreline.
Included in this proposal is a request to dispose of the spoils in the marsh
The enclosed letters seem to indicate the disposal of the spoils in the marsh as
an improvement of conditions in the marsh area. The proposed disposal area is
located less than 1,000 ft. from the shoreline.
PLANNING CCMIISSION MEETING - October 3, 1977
Wo-ric Session Reviewed proposal. Discussed alternatives. Directed Staff infoim
a^licant present copies of original dredging permit approval from DNR to qualify
project as maintenance dredging.
STAFF - October 17, 1977
Certified property owners list just submitted in p.m. Late for notification of
neighbors.
PLANNING C0^f^^ISSIaI MEETING - October 17, 1977
Reviewed proposal. Inqtdred if applicant ras *le to obtain My doc^tatim of
previously approved dred.rl :v' to distinquish maintenance dredging from initial
dredging. Applicant’s esentatives were unable to provide adequate documenta
tion. Commission suggested applicants research further.
Planning Comnission also discussed projected disposal of spoils m nearby marsh
area located on property of Freshwater Biological Center. Suggested applic^ts
submit credible reports indicating advantages of disposing of s^ils on wetl^ds
and marshes. Planning Comnission also suggested applicant consider alternatives
for disposal of spoils. Representatives indicated excessive cost for removal of
spoils from immediate area. The Comnission informed applicant that economic
factor generally is not considered as a hardship with the land.
Planning Commission tabled the issue until all property owners within ft. of
subject properties, including the Freshwater Biological Center, aro notified
of the proposed project. Instructed applicant submit certified list of names and
addresses of all property owners within 150 ft. of projected spoils disposal
area also.
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removal of
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of names and
isposal
West Shore Lafayette Bay Association
2440 Old Beach Road
Dredging
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STAFF - Novenber 1, 1977
I*m enclosing some new material submitted by the applicant yesterday. Included are
copies of letters approving the dredging in 1960 (not certified).
Enclosed is a rough sketch (not too clear) of the proposed fill area marked with an
"X** by the applicants. Also enclosed is a copy of a portion of the plat map of the
area designating the approximate location proposed to be used for the disposal of
the spoils as indicated to me by Mr. Sween on 10-31-77.
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the text of a later permit for part of the dredging issued in May I960
to Arthur Rand. This is on microfilm at the department, and they have
no way to produce a copy. Therefore, the Records Clerk transcribed he
Information for us, copy attached.
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FROM:Han
DATE:Oct
SUBJECT:
Mr. Bie submit
he might obtai
September 6, 1'
variances from
County Road #1.
Mr. Bie retunn
1977. After b:
from lot area j
mitted in time
meeting of Oct<
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suggestions or
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SUBJECT:
Planning Coinnissicn ^ Council
Hank Muhich, Zoning Administrator #332
October 28, 1977
David Bie - 3496 Shoreline Drive
Variance - Lot Area § Rear Setback - Conmeicial (B-5)
Site Plan and Building Elevation Plan Approval
Ifr. Bie submitted some preliminary sketches for review by the Planning Commission so
TO might obtain conceptual approval of his proposal at the above location. On
September 6, 1977, the Planning Commission approved the concept subject to no
variances from setback or paiicing requirements and no curb cut for access to
County Road #15.
returned with ^e final plans (copy enclosed) shortly before October 12,
1977. After brief review by staff, he was informed that variances would be required
from lot ar^ and rear setback requirements. The conqjlete application was not sub-
mittTO in time for staff to prepare a work session ret)ort for the Planning Commission
meeting of October 17, 1977.
to ny suggestion, Mr, Bie personally appeared before the Planning Conmission on
OctoTOT 17, 1977. He made a brief report on his proposal and requested the Planning
tommission consider his personal presentation as a work session so final action could
TO taken at the Planning Commission meeting scheduled for November 7, 1977. Since I
did not have the time to review the proposal previously, I was unable to mice any
suggestions or direct the Planning Conmission on this issue.
Mter reviejdng the final plans, however, I find the proposal to be someidiat different
from vmat the Planning Commission had directed in that variances would be necessary
from bo^ rear setback and parking requirements. The final plans also indicate no
change in the originally proposed access to County Road #15.
Paiking Requirements:
Office Space - 1 per 200 sq. ft. including storage area for material
and equipment pertaining to the operation (Section
38.311 and 38.150)
Retail Business - 1 per 150 sq. ft. including storage area for
material and equipment pertaining to the operation
(Section 38.315 and 38.150)
Rear Setback - B-5 - 30 ft.
I'm also enclosing the letter from the Hennepin County Public Works Department. They
ap^rmtly would prefer to eliminate the extra access to County Road #15 to prevent
additional traffic hazards.
^6 site plan appears to be quite detailed, but without some dimensions it would be
difficult for staff to determine exactly what is expected. The plans provide no
protection around the landscaped areas. We've had problems in the past with unpro
tected planting areas in scmie of our other commercial zwies.
I have not as yet received the sign detail as requested by the Commission. If Mr.
Bie submits this information in time for the November 7 meeting, I will enclose it i the packet.
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APPLICAWT
Name hAO
Address /f/l
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Present Zoning
Zcaling Ordinanc
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Explain Request
Extent of Non-o
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Conditional Use and Variance
OF PROPOSAL (or property)
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APPLICANT ^A\f!KM£
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#332
TyPB OF REQUEST
Conditional Use
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Wetlands Variance
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Present Zoning S'S^_ _ _ _ Present Use
Zoning Ordinance Section Relating to Request
Specify Ordinance tequirements
FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
Council Action
Date
Approved
Denied
Explain Request Relative to Requirements
Extent of Non-confomity
Property (Your reasons for requesting this Variance or Conditional Use Permit
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MA3ERIAL NECESSARY FOR OOMPLEIE APPLICATION
(>tist be submitted 1 week prior to Council Meeting)
1. plication conpleted
2^P1^ Meq> Sectiiraip OOUtXiXl
Sui^y (Sketch in proposal)
Certified Property Owner's List of
owners within (iso ft.)
from Hennepin County Registrar of
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Before 31
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YOUR PROFESSIONAL ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR
POST OFFICE BOX 19 • NAVARRE. MINNESOTA 55392
October 12, 1977
Members of Orono Planning Coniaission
Members of Orono City Council
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Dear Members,
Before you Is a proposal for upgrading lots l5, l6. Block 6 Navarre
Heights. We are in the Slectrical Contracting Business D.B.A. Village
Electric Company. We have been in business for six years in Navarre. We
would like to build a building on lots l5,l6 with the idea of housing
Village Electric and with possible business expansion in mind.
One thing that concerns us about the project is the proposed curb cut
onto County Road 4^15* Oe, September 21, 1977 I met with Mr. Don Murphy form
Hennepin County traffic engineering and went over the problem with him.
At that time he mentioned that the county was concerned about the traffic
safety. We are oncemed about traffic safety too but feel that the access
from Navarre Avenue is very inadequate. #1. The opening to Navarre Avenue
from County #l9 is oJ^ly 30 7 inches between the N.S.P. pole and the
stop si^ posts. Eight feet of this 35 feet right of way not paved. A
short distance up the hill only 15 feet is defined roadway. #2. We feel
this narrow roadway will make it very difficult for one car to enter and
one car BTd.t by the same means.
Our Architects have laid out ora* proposed lot design that will offer
a 30 foot curb cut in width and will give adequate car length. This will allow
a car to stop well out of the line of traffic, look and then proceed when
safe. It also eliminates conjestlon and confusion of two way traffic in
and out of one entrance. I have parked my truck on the proposed curb cut and
had good observation of traffic in both directions.
We feel, with the narrow approach of Navarre Avenue that two openings
to our parking area is necessary. With the design we feel it is safer
and will work better.
We request this as part of our proposal.
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FROM;A. P. Olson, Asst. Zoning Administrator
DATE:August 26, 1977
SUBJECT;David Bie - 3496 Shoreline Drive
• AConcept Review
Mr'. Bie is requesting your c^"t* - f lTciSK';ieSri«J s“p'^5
Jift/hibbrstep a^on the ground'floor with rental °fi“
floor? The gift/hobby shop and office uses are allowed in B-5, but ti.e electrical
shop is a B-1 use under our existing ordinances.
Concept review should address the compatibility of these uses for the one lot and
for this specific lot including parking, access, etc.
PL^NNING CCMMISSIC^ MEETING - September 6, 1977
Reviewed retairelectri??“pi^ing CoJ^ssioir''’'^
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Hank htuhich, Zoning Administrator
Novenfcer 2, 1977
niomas Lyon - 4790 North Shore Drive
Variance - Lot Area
Here we are - back again in the Bergquist § Wicklund's Park Addition! This is
the last remaining site in Block 3. The site appears to meet the width require
ments, but lacks adequate area.
The survey submitted with the application appears to have been made some time ago
It notes the markers and dimensions of the subject parcel as platted, but fails
to indicate the status of the right of \%rays as constructed. If this right of way
area were to be deducted, the total area ivould be reduced quite substantially.
Although we generally require a current survey with proposals such as this, I
felt it would be too costly to the applicant if the application were denied. If
the variance is approved, however, it should be contingent upon the applicant
providing a current survey to verify data submitted and eliminate the guess work.
Minimum lot area requirement in this district is 43,560 sq. ft. The area of this
lot as shown on the survey is approximately 22,000 sq. ft. This is questionable,
however. That area upon which the right of way exists (as shown on survey) should
probably be deducted from the total buildable area.
Access to County Road #19 would also create a problem. The limited vision around
the curve of County Road #19 would only add to the current hazardous traffic
situation along the highway.
Unless the owner can provide proof of some safer means of access to the property,
I would hesitate recoirmending approval. Several other properties on this block
''^111 he providing access to Tonka View Lane located north of these properties by
obtaining private easements.
All setback requirements should also be addressed. Without a survey, the applicant
ivas unable to indicate a proposed location from which we could determine if any
setback variances might be necessary.
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Hank Muhich, Zoning Administrator #33
DATf:October 28, 1977
9JBJECT: George Jackson Construction Co. - 90 S. Willow Drive
Subdivision CPreliminary) - Lots 2 § 3, Kelley 5 Kelley Addition
Enclosed is a copy of the preliminary plat of the proposed replat of Lots 2 § 3
of the Ifelley § Kelley Addition as submitted by George Jackson. The final plat
for the original Kelley ^ Kelley Addition was up for final Council approval on
October 24, 1977.
This replat consists of a slight revision of the boundary lines of the recently
approved Lot 2 of the Kelley subdividion. The change consists of moving the east
lot line of Lot 2 a distance of 60 ft. to the west. This will probably require a
revision in the description of this lot as it shall have been recorded.
The new plat consists of 9 lots, a 60 ft. access and a 100 ft. cul-de-sac exceeding
1,200 ft. in length. The developer has also agreed to provide an additional ease
ment to the east boundary line of the plat for continuation of the road through the
development for any future development to the east.
All three adjacent landowners are requesting we eliminate the previous provision for
access to Watertown Road. They feel the added easement east of the proposed cul-
de-sac would provide adequate throughways for any development to the east. All
proposed lots meet area and width requirements.
Drainage and utility easements should be determined from reports from the City
Engineer and Public Works W.rector and other agencies. Access and Traffic: Police
and Public Woiks. I^gals: City Attorney through title opinion addressed to the
City and description of final plat to be recorded.
Copies of the proposal have been forwarded to the following with requestes for
review and comnents: Minnehaha Creek Watershed District, LNR, City Engineer, City
Attorney, City Adninistrator, City Police Chief and City Public V/orks Director.
A public hearing will be scheduled to be held by the Planning Coiinission at their
meeting of November 21, 1977, at 7:30 p.m.
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Hank ^fuhich, Zoning Administrator
November 2, 1977
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SUBJECT:Dennis Krump - 280 Tonka Avenue
i? several variances to add anattached garage to his residence idiich is located on a substandard parcel.
m ir ifiHo^lf "T - 87,120 sq. ft. and widthloz IS lUU tt. wide and consists of an area of 12,525 sq. ft.
siL Of^^thA submit.ca seems to indicate there is adequate area on the north
m^fa s?t» f® proposed garage. This is somewhat deceiving afte?
r ® investigation, however. The north end location wSd rlouire
end°nf^th5 large trees and some bushes. The land contour on Se north
nr^»i r^uried from a street adjacrait to a side lot line This
“.3 ft. setback, so a variance would be necesLi^heie^lin
suggestId'Xe c^X"a smaller garage as an alternative if the proposal as submitted is denied.
I've accepted the sketch in lieu of a survey to save the evt,.e j t
the^p^icLi?Sroridi!!°"® approved it should be conditioned ontne applicant providing a current survey to verify data as submitted.
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Subdivision (2 Lots)
Final Plat Approval (Rc-Evaluation)
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w\verri.rcentin^ sul.inittc.l in March of W7S at which tiino
were riot rco frod fnl^l of requests as "Srn.rlo .Subdivision". Public l!earin,:s \Ncie nor required for su-iple snbdivi.iions at that tiino.
I was alv.'ays very skeptical about the tenn "sin ’]ile sul)division" ])nt not until after
I attended several workshops and cc.foronccs vari I aide to'cl vi le the H v that these procedures should bo chanred ^umjncc rne (.ity tiiat
ihese shortcuts nako it iiniMssiblo for staff to prepare adequate renorts fill,nut
public hearinss we lose tire ncH.:essary i.iput fron tirl £cs,ekal mini Ilr’e ults
tl.an not we all end up with headaches. Tl.is is one of tirose head.tdresV
split i.as previousl)' aj.proved, I would sucocst wo I'oconsider
application was
^ ^^^^ring tlie Planning CoiT ission recorEnended approval on March 17
sl»u°1®t\4\mrtl',l <^”0l0.sed) states tliat wo-nou*j evaluate the low drauiaoe area and soil conditions, you will note on inv
riginal rneino dated .'arch 13, 1975, (co])y enclosed) I indicated those sane noints
I included two photos of the low drainage area (copies enclosed)
the site with Jolm Cerhardson and !,e felt the .I.-ainagc could'be direeJed si as to
tovl™i ‘itMf ^ I'^ttors of nl objll^on frol
the Cminiffi°If (copies enclosed), h’eitlior the Planning Coiiinission nor
). " esserl tlicse jxrints wiicn tlioy weio brought '■o tlioir attention 'lire
conditions of soi s is not the resjxmsibi iity of the Plan,,^n rlMilsim Z'
Council m_sewored are.as, however. This is the res.x,nsih u'tV of 4Iff
Iltoiilhrll’I? stnrctulefnto"
»•« boring.'and ?nt?r
?l4 City approval of tl,e proposed lot split
final I,4mll necessary nylar and Imnishclls for
that time we have heard nothing. Until now -'kae year and 4,r iknk.s lajlr
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City of
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Crystal
Mr. Mayo
Because
letter a
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Casco Po
to close
title th
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charged
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tlie prop,
survey w.
Also, we
$430.00 :
After thf
park ded:
several i
and wlio \
any idea
we would
be takinc
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is now ur
I feel tl
ion from
his prooG
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appreciat
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1975 at whicli tijne
II*'. Public Hearings
but not until after
ince the City tliat
: reports, h’itliout
>lic. More times
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: we reconsider
1 application was
iproval on March 17,
:h after application
states that iN-e
ill note on iiiy
tliose same points.
. I also net on
directed so as to
objection from
g Corayii ssion nor
ir attention, llie
artission and
f staff at the
tnictures are
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re of structure.
reposed lot split,
lardsliells for
su’jject to a
ans. -- Since
no!ilhs later.
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Mayor Bradley Van Nest
City of Orono
1335 Brown Road South
Crystal Bay, Minnesota
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Because it is difficulc tor me to speak in public I am writiiig tlvis
letter and hoping vou will take a few minutes to read it.
In mid 1975 I purchased, by Contract for Deed, a 1/2 acre lot at 3024
Casco Point Rd. owned by Joseph Braun. It took until January of 1976
to close on the lot as Mr. Braun had some estate work affecting the
that had to be cleaied up. At that time we liad a legal floscrip—
tion written and approved by the Torrens Office and taxes have Ijeen
charged on that parcel ever since.
Soon after that, we api^lied for a building permit and were told to get
the property surveyed first; wliich we did. Then we wore told that the
survey was not enough and we needed to have it on hard shells and mylars.
Also, we v;ould need soil testing and again we had this done, (I paid
$430.00 for surveyino and $400.00 for soil testing).
After that we wore again ready to proceed when we were told of a $2000.00
park dedication fee. This was just about the last straw. For the next
several months Braun and I talked about the legality of such a charge
and wlio was to pay it. In January 1977, I agreed to pay it. H.ad we
any idea that the city had a 6 months time limit on consul's decision's
we would have paid it in December of 1976 (10 months ago) and would not
be taking you time now.
At this point I have tendered Mr. Braun full payment for the lot, the
park dedication foe, and two years of Real Estate taxes on the lot. He
is now unable to deliver a deed.
I feel that a lot of delays in tliis matter are a result of poor direct
ion from the city to Mr. Braun as to what was necessary to subdivide
his property and the city's regulations rogtardrng time limits.
As you can imagine I am quite concerned about this matter and would
appreciate any lielp you can give.
Sfeve Plav.nan c.4445 Maigart Circle
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October 14, 1977
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Orono City Hall
1335 Brown Road South
Orono, Minnesota
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Gentlemen:
I hereby request the Orono City Council to reapprove the sub
division of my homestead lot at 3024 Casco Point Road,
in accordance with my previous request for approval which was
acted upon at the City Council meeting of March 25, 1975,
Tlie resulting subdivided lot is legally described as follows:
Tract T, Registered Land Survey No. 461, files
of R-«gistrar of Titles, County of Hennepin
except that part thereof lying Northwesterly
of the following described line: Commencing
at the most Westerly corner of said tract;
thence Southeasterly along the Southwesterly
line of said tract a distance of 146.63 feet
to the point of beginning of the 1ine being
described; thence Ni^rtheasterly, deflecting
left 108° 12' from a line tangent to said
Southwesterly line at said point of beginning,
to the Northeasterly line of said tract, and
there ending.
Tliank you for your consideration.
Very truly yours.
Joseph Braun
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October 18, 1977
CUIUHCf: Joseph Braun - 3024 Casco Point Road
Subdivision
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'riiis subdivision proposal was brought be Tore the City in March of 197S, and never
completed by the applicant. In Jimc of 3976, tlie applicant presented the final
plat drawings and the Council approved same su1)ject to payment of a ?2,000 park
fee. 'Ihe park fee was never paid and tlie plats were Jicver signed, ^'r. Braun is
now requesting reapproval of tlie subdivision.
Tliere are (piestions about the division. 'Ike newly created lot ('fract B) is low
with a drainage area flowing through it. 'Ihe soil needs to bo evaluated 1>cfore
a building can be constructed on it. The lots meet tlie required Iial f acre area,
but tlie lake fron<age is only SO ft., half of tlie rc(iuired width, 'iliere v.*as no
previous resolution of approval and tJie City did Jiot rec|uest any flowage casenient.
I recoiiiiiiend that the Council refer the natter back to the Planning CojiTitission due
to the length of tine this has been pending and the changes in procedure and jx>licy
since 1975. You may wish to require a new application and a new fee.
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of a 5i:2,000 park
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evaluated before
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th. 'illere v;as no
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niiig Coi/Tiilssi on due
procedure and jxilicy
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Dick Benson
Hank ^fuhich
DATF: March 13, 1975
RF:Joseph Braun - Lot Split
3024 Casco Pt. Rd.
Mr. Braun is requesting approval of a simple subdivision of Tract T
of R.L.S. ^461 on Casco Point into two parcels.
At present one liouse is located on tlie parcel uiiich exceeds one acre
in area. Hiis area is zoned LR-IC (single family 1/2 acre sewered),
ine proposed lot split would result in two parcels hotli of wliich
v.ould exceed tlie recjuired 1/2 acre miniiram area. 'Hie itroposcd lot
split would result in two parcels both of which would exceed tlie
required 1/2 acre miniiTam area. 'Jlie width of tlie two proposed lots
would also exceed the mininum of 100 ft. at the location of the house
if the second home is built 150' from tlie lagoon.
llie second building site to the southwest of the existing dwellinc
IS quite a bit lower in elevation than the cxistinv? stnirture site liowever. ' " *
wre to be aiiprovcd, the applicant should be reminded
tnat soil tests would be required to assure us conditions are ‘^atis- factory.
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PHONE 612/33G-5U06 • MINNEAPOLIS, MINNLUUTA 66401
March 18, 1975
Mr. Henry F. Muhich
Village of Orono
Zoning and Building Zuiministration
Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota 553?3
Dea r Mr. Mu h i c h:
I moved to my present home on Casco Point in 1962.
In all that period of time, including some high levels of the lake
I have never seen the property that Mr. doe Braun now owns holdina
any water. The natural slope is from the road to the cove! ^
It is not wet land.
aLwer lot me know and I will be happy to
Sincerely,
Ho'./ard R. Alton, JK-
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of a r.un'cv
or f.ho boundnrico of Tr.ct T
He(!jr.t«roil Land r>ur\*cy Hr /Ai r*i - ''
of Monnepin, and of tho il V-* Ro/^iatrar of Titlpr ret 4,
if nny, thereon/
..how3 the proposod location of a prSf^llpaci tulldij;/
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I>ite I 3-5-73
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Gordon i(. Coffin Kec^Ko^-^
Und Surveyor and Planner
Long LaJee, Jilnnceota
At present, the
be covered by a
proposed will hi
Since this is p]
would continue ^
the pollutants <
be deposited,
area for the bu.
and the trees w<
lessen the visu.
areas to the so
Searles moved, :
amended drainag
adoption of a r
discussed items
applicants agre
to approval of
District. Hoti
Ilassengale move
the preliminary
of certain area
to a plan being
other areas whi
plans being ado
will be allowed
time. Motion,
The City Staff
application for
Street, who com
was noted that
assessment for
because of the
these lots coul
lot. If the sa
these lots woul
no development
members noted t
of the sanitary
substandard lot
Butler moved, M
the combination
lot for John Pe
Ayes (5) - Nays
Welsh moved, Bu
for Joe Braun a
Point Road, for
subject to revi
drainage plan.
OROMO COUNCIL MEETING HELD JUNE 28, 1976i
At present, the southerly portion of the site will
be covered by a conservation easement and as
proposed will be left in its natural state*
Since this is presently a low lying area, it
would continue to serve as an area in which
the pollutants of the parking area runoff would
be deposited* It also would serve as a buffering
area for the building, since the underbrush
and the trees would be retained and would
lessen the visual impact of development on the
areas to the south*
Searles moved, Butler seconded, to approve the
amended drainage plans conditioned upon the
adoption of a resolution setting forth all
discussed items in detail and based upon the
applicants agreement to sign same, and subject
to approval of the Minnehaha Creek Watershed
District* Motion, Ayes (5) - Nays (0) *
Ilassengale moved, Searles seconded, to approve
the preliminary grading and foundation permit
of certain area which will be graded pursuant
to a plan being adopted, but no grading in
other areas which are not sho^im on the present
plans being adopted* The grading and construction
will be allowed for the foundation at the present
time. Motion, Ayes (5) - Nays (0).
The City Staff and Council reviev/ed the
application for Mr* John Pembroke, 4111 Oak
Street, who combined three lots into one* It
was noted that these three lots had one sewer
assessment for the three lots* Staff noted that
because of the availability of municipal sewer,
these lots could be combined into one buildable
lot. If the sanitary sewer had not been available,
these lots would be substandard and therefore
no development could take place thereon* Council-
members noted that this was one of the advantages
of the sanitary sewer pipe as installed for the
substandard lots*
Butler moved, Massengale seconded, to approve
the combination of three lots into one buildable
lot for John Pembroke, 4111 Oak Street. Motion,
Ayes (5) - Nays (0)*
Welsh moved, Butler seconded, that the request
for Joe Braun and Steve Plowman, 3024 Casco
Point Road, for a final subdivision, be approved
subject to reviewing Mr. Braun's engineer's
drainage plan* Motion, Ayes (5) - Nays (0).
Page 9SUPER VALO STORE
3333 Shoreline Drive
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COMBINATION OF LOTS
4111 Oak Street
FINAL SUBDIVISION
3024 Casco Point Road
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this grading
recoimiended
Motion - Aye
Pesek move(
all setbacJ
the three c
no other la
Ilosfield move
the ground
requirements.
Hake move
to review
be pa
Nay s (0).
Pesek move
applied to
already ha
would not ]
<Jedication
Planning Conraisj
r^rtant issue
called.
Commission d
such as fire
to this area
Hake moved,
on August 2
application
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Qiairwonan Dunlap
Brad Van :fest to J
Haste Control wit}
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ifenfcer Van Nest left.
'fu 5n",;ater use ,«™itt^s grading could «« causcf TOf f RYAN
1060 nNKA!\6A rqad
ro^ITIONAL USE PERMIT
grading
tti ^**’“‘=''’^ira^^are*TOrand'^^h P>'ovided^ lots ca^titute m.r “"'•Ition that
other land is available. Jbtion^"A;r(sr!“|“"[or ‘*
'lOFiN P. 5 I3R0KE
4111 O.AK STREET
VARIANTS - LOr AREA
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roquirenents. fbtion f A^^(S) ^Na^f At (UGEM
2S30 CA.SC0 POIMT BQAD
variance - LOT inm
'^.^'^■sre/E Hjow«n«is.7sijr
I'sye a houfe.'^owy lot ii~ ® '*!<* "ay
wo^d not increase buildina f^^rrangements which
dedication fee nini» sites would be exemnf f-mm ufee. ttailap seconded, ffotion -%T(lrN^s (0)
Comission will not meet «, t , .
JJ^rtant issue arises a .,b^® , ® ® “"loss ancalled. A special meeting would then he SCHEDUJiE MEETING
~"oe^ s^ut publ ic setvi ces.
to this area ani are not forthcori^^. impossible
— AuguM**2 M*7.'so^*^re ® Public Hearing be held
UANSai-BIG ISUND
bpr ARIiA AND ^^IDIH
A'VD LAIE SHORE SETBACK
QiARLES VELIE
2905 R)X SIREET
suBDivisraN
Brad tliat the Cbnmission appoint
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This request is
This proposal i
the area.
The engineer fo
City will have
proposal. This
nances.
Hank Muhich ask
was prepared by
he informed me
would have to o
The engineer ha:
and the area de:
total area, dry
submitted showii
Copies of this i
City Attorney, ]
A public hearin]
FLMfUNG OOM4ISS
Engineer Ron Ba
fnn pii>lic in
2 acre proposal
several years a
years ago xevea
marshland, prt^
collector stxee
The Zoning Adnin:
: to the Statiplat
connents. As yei
Planning Conniss:
sites on some of
\e of the wetl]cit f
Planning Gonmiss:
from the Hennepii
necessary report:
in the process oi
proposal.
STAFF - October €
Letter to Hennepin
PER VAU;
ontinued)
RYAN
0 T)NICAI\iA ROAD
mteonal use permit
^ J BROKE
OAK STREST
an:i - Lor area
\GE^
o\sco vomr road
iiNCE - LOT IVIDIH
R/a LW-STP^ PLOW-WN
C\SOO POG^ ROAD
i^^SION C-INAL)
•E ^^EETI^^G
lIANSa^-BIG ISLAND
b
A AND WIDIH
B SIORi: SETBACK
VELIE
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I TAN ^ /ASTE OQN
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FROM;
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SUBJECT:
Planning Comnission and Council
A. P. Olson, Asst. Zoning Administrator
#306
September 12, 1977
Colpepper Land Co. (Ncslund) - 40 North Orono Orchard Road
Subdivision (Preliminaiy)
Tli^ request is a revision of previous requests for division of this property.
This proposal includes 17 2-acre lots consistent with the zoning requirements for
the area.
engineer for this project is McCombs*Knutson Associates which means that the
City will have to retain an independent engineer for review of the subdivision
proposal. This cost will be allocated to the developer as required by our ordi
nances.
Hank ^Uhich asked Council if there might be a problem with this proposal as it
was prepared by our engineering firm. After Dick Benson talked with Mr. lOiutson,
he informed me it would be acceptable because it was understood that the City
would have to consult some other engineer for review of the proposal.
The engineer has been requested to submit a chart showing the total project area,
and the area desigr^ted as wetlands. In addition, each lot will be listed with
total area, dry buildable area, and wetland area and soils information will be
submitted showing the suitability for on-site septic systems.
Copies of this application have been sent to Hennepin County, Watershed District,
City Attorney, Burlington Luce Line (ENR) and State Highway Department.
A pid)lic hearing has been scheduled for October 3, 1977, at 7:30 p.m.
FLATfONG GCmiSSION MEETING - October 3, 1977
Engineer Thai Bastyr presented revised preliminary subdivision proposal • No connents
from public in attendance. Zoning Administrator informed Commission this was revised
2 acre proposal of the previous 1 acre subdivision proposal denied Council
several years ago. Reports resulting from review of previous proposal several
years ago revealed potential problems with development of steep grades, filling of
mainland, problems with on-site disposal systems and traffic hazards from inadequate
collector streets.
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.oning Administrator also informed Comnissi
to uie State Hi^way Department along with
nts. As yet he had received no response.
Planning Comnission was concerned about the problems that might result from home
sites on some of the existing steep grades. Also concerned about the filling of
some of the wetland areas for the road system as indicated on the proposed plat.
Planning Comnission directed Staff to request a soils map and report of the property
from the Hennepin County Soils Conservation District. Tabled the request intil all sary reports have been-* - * *' " ^ “ ... —necMsary reports have bem received. Mr. Bastry was infoimed that the'city'was now
inthe process of appointing another engineering firm to review and report on said proposal.
^Tigj ATT
STAFF - October 6, 1977
Hennepin County Soils Conservation District requesting soils map and report.
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Subdivi Sion
Pg 2
STAFF - October 7,
I'm enclosing a cc
from the Minnehaha
STAFF - October 12
I'm enclosing a cc
Transportation reg
STAFF - October 14
Engineer will have
STAFF - October 27
This proposal will
scheduLled for Nova
not be conpleted h
The City has retail
(engineering firm)
firm is now preper;
Planning Comnissioi
presentation.
I have received th<
Conservation Distr:
copy indicating coi
our conprehensive ]
Nodiing from other
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perty.
ments for
that the
vision
ur ordi-
as it
Knutson»
City
ject area,
ed with
ill be
District,
Ho
I was revised
ncil
1 several
llling of
n inadequate
he proposed
!w and
xn hone
lling of
id plat.
he prop erty
: until all
Ilty was now
rt on said
and report.
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Pg 2 #306
October
I*n enclosing a copy o£
froB tile Minnehaha Cred
STAFF - October 12, 1977
I*m enclosing a copy of the report I just received from the State Department of
Transportation regarding proposed sididivision.
STAFF - October 14, 1977
Engineer will have review rea<^ for Orono Staff by Tuesday October 18, 1977.
STAFF - October 27, 1977
This proTOsal will have to be deferred for action laitil the Planning Conmission meeting
scheduled for Nov^er 21, 1977. Various reports as requested by the Conmission will
not be conpleted in time for the meeting scheduled for November 7, 1977.
The Ci^ has retained the services of Bonestroo, Rosene, Anderlik 4 Associates
(mgineering fixn) for review and conments on the proposal. Mr. Jim Olson from this
firm is now preparing some maps and reports for us. He will be appearing before the
Planning Conmission at the meeting scheduled for November 21, 1977, to his
presentation.
I have revived the soils map and report from Jim Anderson of the Hennepin Coiaity So;
ConsenBtion District (copies enclosed). I am in the process of preparing one colon
copy indicating contrasts in defined wetlands boundaries and possible conflicts with
our conprehensive plan, ordinances and policies.
Notliing from other agencies or departments as yet.
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MIIUMEH/
WATERSI<
P.O. Box 387, Wayzata,
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Mr. H. F
City of
P.O. Box
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Dear Mr.
I have n
Septembe:
It is noi
nated wei
previous
Cheyenne
(in Lots
3) were 1
with cerl
The currc
2uid vioulc
lack of i
the reduc
1974 plat
Regardinc
to be get
would, oi
but it wc
to detern
posal wot
cm meeting
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bxe the
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MINNEHAHA CREEK
WATERSHED DISTRICT
P.O. Box 3«7, WayzMa, Miniwsola SS391
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October 5, 19
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OCT C 1977
Mr. H. F. Muhich, Zoning Adminstrator
City of Orono
P.O. Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323
VILLAGE OE ORONQ
Re:Colpepper Land Company
40 Orono Orchard Road North
Subdivision (Preliminary)
Dear Mr. Muhich:
I have reviewed the information you sent by letter of
September 15, 1977 regarding the subject subdivision.
It is not clear from this data what the proposed desig
nated wetlands area would be. In our evaluation of the
previous proposal for this area by Centurion Company and
Cheyenne Land Company in 1974 the two major wetland areas
Cin Lots 1, 2 and 6, Block 2 and in Lots 4 and 5, Block
3) were to be preserved and we found this to be adequate
with certain conditions.
The current plat appears to delete one of these wetlands
and would, therefore, be undesirable in our opinion for
lack of flood storage and filtration capacity in spite of
the reduction in number of lots proposed relative to the
1974 plat.
Regarding on-site sewage disposal, our soils map shows this
to be generally an unfavorable area. Percolation tests
would, of course, have to precede any specific installation
but it %)ould be helpful to conduct these as early as possible
to determine whether some other alternative to on-site dis
posal would be advisable.
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Mr. H. F.
October 5|
Page Two
Enclosed i
can be of
Thank you
SincerelyI
EUGENE A.
Engineers
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Enclosure
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Block
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(tlands
in for
ipite of
to the
ihows this
tests
itallation
as possible
‘Site dis-
Nr. H. F* Nuhich, Zoning Administrator
October 5, 1977
Page Two
Enclosed Is our prior evaluation of this property,
can be of further assistance please call.
Zf we
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
EUGENE A. HICKOK AND ASSOCIATES
Engineers for the District
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Enclosure
cc: D. Cochran - NCND
February It, 1974
Nr. Dexter Marston. Zoning Administrator
City of Orono
P. 0. Box 66, Crystal Bay
Orono, Minnesota 55323
Re: Cheyenne Land Company
Subdivision Sketch D
Dear Mr. Marston:
We have reviewed the subject project sent under cover of
your letter of January 25, I''74.
The wetlands average shown in the sketch appears to be
accurate. The apparent difference in wetlands area ber
tween the developer’s plat and our report can be accounted
for by including the marsh area north of the Burlington*
Northern ’lailroad tracks.
We would assess the plan to be adequate in public acreage
for flood storage providing such areas be dedicated per
manently with allowance.for sufficient rise in ponding
level and that allowances be made for a hydraulic connec
tion between the two wetlands parcels.
Sincerely,
Mim^EHAHA CRBEK WATERSliED DISTRICT
John A. Holmquist
JAH/pah
^ w.
October 6, 19i
Mr. Henry F. I
Zoning Adminii
City of Orono
P.E. Box 66
Crystal Bay, 1
In reply refei
S.P. 2713 T.1
Plat review oi
Orono Orchard
Luce Line Traj
Section 35, Tc
Hennepin Coml
ar Mr. Muhlc
He are in rec«
for our revleh
and Surveys,
that TH 12 be
plan prepared
would pass thi
tine, the proj
tlon. The Dei
when It Is coi
project will t
He are not not
He would not t
even If the pi
City of Orono
according to i
ful effort to
would seen tlu
when and If a
tVBT of
:o be
la ber
iccbunted
Lngton*
acreage
id per-
iding
connec*
m
4#»»«S0b
Minnesota Department of Transportation
Transportation Building, St. Raul. MN 55155
October 6, 1977 0 0.
2<6-3008
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Hr. Henry F. Huhlch
Zoning Adninlstrator
City of Orono
P.E. Box 66
Crystal Bay, HLnnesota 55323
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ViLLAGB Ofi OnONO
In reply refer to: 315
S.P. 2713 T.H. 12
Plat review of Orono Oaks located between
Orono Orchard Road, The B.N. R.R. and the
Luce Line Trail in part of the S.W. Quarter,
Section 35, Township 118, Range 23 In City of Orono
Hennepin County
Dear Mr. Huhlch:
He are in receipt of the above referenced plat with your letter of Septenber 15
for our review in accordance with Minnesota Statutes 505.02 and 505.03 Plats
and Surveys. As you are aware, the Department of Transportation has proposed
that TH 12 be reconstructed on a new alignment in this area. A preliminary
plan prepared several years ago for this location Indicated that new TH 12
would pass throu^ the middle of the proposed plat. However, at the present
time, the project Is not programied and there Is no schedule for Its construc
tion. The Department Is currently preparing a state transportation plan which,
when It Is conpleted next July, may give some indication as to whether the
project will be given further consideration.
He are not now In a position to determine a preferred alignment for new TH 12.
He would not anticipate location approval before some time well into the 1980's
even If the project were given a high priority. He note, however, that the
City of Orono has Indicated that new TH 12 would be relocated In this vicinity
according to its Comprehensive Guide Plan. If the city were to s^ke a success
ful effort to limit development In the corridor Indicated by the guide, it
would seem that that corridor would then be considered as a prime contender
when and If a location is selected In the future.
An BqumI Opporiitniiy Employer
-imm
vW
-V::
Mr. Henry F. 1
October 6, 19
Page 2
Ve regret the
have no forth
designated tr
or E. R. Gree
Sincerely,
Ittllla. C. He
Assistant Con
Field Operatl
cc: John Bol
Metropol
Gary Bac
Henneplx
?oA»‘iooa
-
slO
eptenber 15
D3 Plats
proposed
isLnary
TH 12
present
construe*
plan which,
er the
new TH 12*
the 1980*s
hat the
■ vicinity
a success*
de, it
ntender
r
♦ .
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sja-;
Mr. Henry F. Muhidi
October 6, 1977
Page 2
He regret that the Departnent cannot be of more assistmee in this
have no further consent as this plat is not in the proxiid.ty of an exiettog or
designated trunk hig^nray* If you have any questions, please contact J. S. Kata
or £• R. Green at our district office in Golden Valley, 545-3761.
Sincerely,
Hilliam C. Merritt
Assistant Conolssioner
Field Operations Division
cc: John Boland
Metropolitan Council
Gary Backer
Hennepin County Surveyor's Office
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PRELIMINAlOr SOILS EVALUATION ANO PLAN REVIEW
OF 1HE PI ;<i;v*>'ia».ORONO OAKS ADDITION IN
1HE cm (»> a !• M
by James L. Anderson, Patrick N. Kennedy
and Steven B. Schiimers
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II. HOW TO USE THE SOIL MAP
TMs is a prelifliijiaTy soils evaluation and plan review of the pro
posed Orono Oaks Addition in the City of Onmo.
A detailed soils map for the area of proposed development is provided
with this report. This map is based on information contained in "Soil
Survey of Hennepin County** and "Landscapes of Henn^in County" as well
as 1975 aerial photograi^ of the area and an on-site investigation.
Each of the soils mapped within the proposed development ar^ is briefly
described. Favorable and unfavorable development characteristics are
discussed. Explanations of the soil map syn^ls and colors are pre
sented in Sections II and III.
This is a preliminary soils evaluation and additional engineering tests
should be conducted before construction is begun.
The potential of the soils mapped for installation of
ment systems is discussed.
Areas within the proposed develop^t area which may be classified as
public waters or wetlands are indicated.
Methods for control of runoff and sediment from this site are discussed.
To use the soil map one needs to know ^diat the symbols mean. The soil
symbol consists of tluree parts arranged as follows:
HbB2 - Hb
(Soil)
B
(Slope)(Erosion)
The first two letters denote the soil type; the last letter is the slope
of the land in percent, and the absence or presence of a number indicates
the degree of erosion.
Slope Legend Erosion Legend
0 to 2 percent
2 to 6 percent
6 to 12 percent
12 to 18 percent
18 to 35 percent
No Syn^l - 0 to 1/3 topsoil lost.
2 - 1/3 to 2/3 topsoil lost.
3 - More than 2/3 topsoil lost.
The soil types found in this area were classified according to the **Soil
Survey Report of Hennepin County*', and the standards of the National Co
operative Soil Survey. Soil types present are:
Light
Blue
A briei
are pru
map prc
Borrow i
The map
This is
sides 01
Dundas sill
The map syn
a deq>, poc
are stones
etation wa«
level soil
slope requi
depth for c
ment. The
potential i
changes in
Erin loam:
This is a d<
calcareous :
loan^ till i
shap^ hill:
vegetation i
soil mapped
the proposec
the pro-
is provided
ned in **Soil
nty** »s wll
istigation.
irea is briefly
iristics are
s are pre-
neering tests
ite soil treat-
assified as
are discussed.
tn. Hie soil
irosion)
nr is the slope
anber indicates
:o 1/3 topsoil lost,
topsoil lost.
t/3 topsoil lost.
ig to the "Soil
le National Go-
wi
.-y
-m-
if
Light
Blue
Borrow pits
Dundas silt loam
Erin loam
Glencoe silty clay loam
Hamel loam
Hayden loam
Hayden clay loam
Minnetonka silty clay loan
Nessel loam
Peaty muck
Shorewood silty clay loam
A brief description of each soil is provided. Map symbols and colors^
are provided to facilitate locating the soil types on the detailed soil
map provided with this report.
Borrow pits;
The map symbol for this area is Bp. Hiere is not any map color designated
This is a miscellaneous land type that consists of excavations into hill
sides or knolls for the puipose of removing soil.
Dundas silt loam:
The map synd)ol for this soil is Du and the map color is light blue. Hiis is
a deep, prorly drained soil. The soil formed in calcareous loan^ till. There
are stones and boulders in this soil mainly near the surface. The natiye veg
etation was mixed hardwood forest and a grass understory. Ihis is a nearly
level soil occupying areas on flats and in shallow drainageways. The level
slope requires little grading. There is a seasonal watertable at a 1 to 3 foo
depth for extended periods. Soil strength is adequate for residential develop
ment. The soil is sticky and difficult to work >hen wet. There is a high
potential for frost action. Shrink-swell (volume change) is moderate with
changes in moisture content. The soil is moderately to slowly permeable.
Erin loam;
This is a deep, well-draimed, moderately fine textured soil that formed in
calcareous shaly till. The shaly till is underlain by friable, calcareous,
loamy till at a depth of 3 to 20 fqet. The soil occurs on smooth, irregularly
shaped hills. There are stones and boulders in and on this soil. The native
vegetation was mixed hardwood forest. There are several slope phases of this
soil mapped in Hennepin County. Each slope phase mapped within the area of
the proposed development will be discussed separately.
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Meditm
Red
Mediun
Red
Dark
Red
Brown
jrin loam - 2 to 6 percent slope;
Erin loam - 6 to 12 percent slope;
2l S5.S"i»2 :S!"'2u-3S^
SiJS’tSS.u,.«2« w’£KiS^fe ’'SSS‘^,^‘»> *» • '~»i «»> o. i«,d 1,
Erin loam - 12 to 18 percent slope:
31 ^^ ®ap synibol for this soil is EnD and the nap color is dark red. TTiis is a
ocowing areas on hillsides and lojolls. n» soil is
saturate. Sidehill seepage is not uncoiawn noj^er, around b^enent walls during rainy seasons or spring thaws. Hiere is
viSS and views associated with Sis soil thS
JwAi strength is adequate for residential
™tiS"^ThA f*^P^“Swell (volume change) is moderate with changes in moisture
rantmt. pie soil IS slowly peimeable. The soil is clayey and sticky when wet
and hard when dry. Erosion is a hazard when the vegetation is removS.
Erin loam - 18 to 24 percent slope:
pie map s^bol for this soil is EnE and the map color is brown Thi<; a
f^nww "1^ “ well-draine?a^ tl^e-
“5 sp>^in8^. The steep slopes Sfir
8 arSu'ir,3;-^r
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3?
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II
♦ M
t
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Mediin
Blue
Mediun
Blue
Mediun
Green
B
Git
The
TW
l0£
OCC
dOR
yea
OCC
mea
for
Han
Hk
Hu
loa
and
veg
wet
the
the
a h
Ha/i
Ihi
oca
The
ment
stoi
out.
pha<
Hayc
The
This
This
hiU
or s
Soil
erat
eabl
peri
4
id. This is
id Icnolls.
seepage is
ir spiing
strength is
0 is moderate
Erosion is
lods.
1. This is
sll-drained
3wever«
>lling slopes
sidential
s in moisture
the land is
This is a
» soil is
t uncdmon
. There is
that pro-
dential
in moisture
cky idien wet
^ed.
fiis is a
and there-
round base-
offer
It. Shrink
The soil
ijy large
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Mediun
Blue
Mediun
Blue
Glencoe silty clay loam:
The map syntol for this soil is Gc and the map color is medium blue.
This IS a deep, very poorly drained soil. The soil was foimed in
loany colluviun over calcareous loany till. The soil is nearly level
ocapring dqiressions and drainageways. The native vegetation was
dominantly sedges and wetsite grasses. During wet periods of the
year the watertable is within 1 foot of the surface and ponding may
occur. The high organic matter content in the upper soil horizons
means the soil has low bearing values. There is a high potential
for frost action.
Hamel loam:
Hayden loam:
Jie map sy^l for this soil is Ha and the map color is mediun blue.
This IS a deep, poorly drain^ soil that fotmed in loamy colluvium over
loany till, "nie soil occurs in short, narrow drainageways on foot slopes
and in long winding drainageways between knolls and hills. The native
v^etation was mainly sedges, grasses and scattered poplar trees. During
^ pmods of the year there is a perched watertable within 1 foot of
the surface md poking may occur. The high organic matter content in
the i^per soil horizons means the soil has low bearing values. There is
a high potential for frost action.
This IS a deep, well-drained soil that fomied in loamy glacial till and
occurs on gently sloping to very steep slopes on knolls and hillsides.
strongly influenced by a forest environment in its develop-
ment. ^e natural vegetation was mixed hardwood forest. Shale and lime-
s me ^agments as well as granitic cobbles and boulders are coinnon through
out. Several slope phases are mapped in Hennepin County. Each slope
phase mapped in the area of proposed develoment is
Hayden loam - 2 to 6 percent slope:
IJe map symbol for this soil.is HbB and the map color is medium green.
SSf soil occupying areas on knolls and hillsides.
soil IS well-drained and therefore never saturated although side-
mil seepage is not uncomnon around basement walls during rainy seasons
or spring thaws. The rolling slopes offer attractive building sites.
“ adequate- Shrink-swell (volune change) is low to mod-
erate with changes in moisture content. The soil is moderately perm
eable. Erosion is a hazard if the soil is left exposed for extended periods •
f- '
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c' v'II
m.
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Mediun
Green ^
Dark
Green
Brown
The
Thi
and
alt
rai
bui
is
era
ext>
Hay<
The
This
and
howc
seas
Site
feat
Shri
cont
Hayd
Thei
a St
urat(
of tl
natu]
if tl
(voli
soil
Hayde
This
betwe
lost
soil
of pr
iiun blue,
nned in
early level
tion was
of the
iding may
lorizons
tential
diun blue.
Diluvium over
on foot slopes
The native
trees. During
in 1 foot of
r content in
les. There is
:ial till and
i hillsides.
1 its develop-
Shale and lime-
re comnon through-
Each slope
(ed separately.
diun green,
and hillsides,
hf^h side-
ainy seasons
ing sites,
low to mod-
tely perm-
extended
Iia 1J1*1
■Vv-;.
.f-..
•'t.
I'4
BE.
h • -j mmWm
:^5
m
l^age -5-Page -6-
Medium
Green ^
■
Dark
Green
Brown
Hayden loam
5j? ®?P symbol for t^s soil is HbC and the map color is mediun green.
IS J rolli^ soil ^ciq^ing irregularly shaped areas on hillsides
j soil IS well-drained and therefore never saturated
although sidehill seepage is not uncornnon around basement walls during
la^ seas^ or spring thaws. The rolling slopes offer attractive
wilding sites. Soil strength is adequate-. Shrink-swell Cvoltme change)
IS low to moderate with changes in moisture content. The soil is mod-
^tely peim^ble. Erosion is a hazard if the soil is left exposed for extended periods.
Hayden loam - 12 to 18 percent slope:
map symtol for this soil is HbD and the map color is dark vreen
occiqiying irregularly shaped areas oThiirsid^s
^ knolls. This IS a well-drained soil which never becomes saturated
however se^s may appear on sidehills during spring thaws or rainy *
se^ons. There is a large erosion hazard if this soil is left exposed
Hayden loam - 18 to 24 percent sinp.t
is HbE and the map color is brown. This is a st^ soil occupying areas on hillsides. The soil never becomes Mt.
there may be seeps during wet seasons. The steepness
^ severe constraint to most urban development if th?^
to be maintained. Therein H^^JosioiJ hazard if this soil IS left exposed. Soil strength is adequate Shrink-swell
Hayden clav loam:
area
Mediun
Green
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iun green,
hillsides
aturated
Lis during
ractive
9linie change)
LI is mod-
scposed for
green
11 sides
saturated,
rainy
t ei^sed.
tural
is adequate,
in moisture
a. Ihis is
:ones sat-
Fie steepness
if the
>sion hazard
rink-swell
mtent. The
le difference
1 has been
s of this
n the area
Medium
Green
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t
ifegfen cUy loam - 6 to 12 percent slop..
TtS s ’S "“P Is green,
hillsides. Because this erioSS^th^^ stoped areas on lowlls and
The rolling mraSivr^i5$f “ '=^ ^
however, ***P*«* “ "»* uncoamon
strength is adequate for iSi^tial*dSrf?Ii^?^c?'-®!!*‘^
change) is moderate with changes^in^iwistmT^tent^'iS^®^!"K srsi M
Minnetonka
clayey sediments. fhi?is ^'*®s ofbroad flat tracts and drainaeewavs Th^r^A « ^ soil occurring in mainlv iimt- _^ere are a few ston-e
root depth during wet periods of the cD?i '*®^®rtable at a 1 to '3
residential development. The soil strength is adequate for
permeable, ohrink-swell Tvolume rhanoAi i * soil is moderately to slowl
M moisture content. ^ moderate to high with changes
Nessel loam:
till. « calcare
y^etation was ad^ed^torS^'roe’sSfll^ "““vein Hennepin County. mapped in only one slope phas<
Nessel loam - 1 to 4 percent sinp#>»
soil is nwly Iwel^ NeB and the color is light green. Th
a f^ hilltops that are above^Hayden*^oS^m^the relief and
sou IS nearly level little graJng is r^ir^f®*'
This
on
Dark
Blue
■'i. I. -J •<
The m
is an
more
iment
near ‘
value:
Shorewc
This is
clayey
vegetal
mapped
develop
Shorewt
The m
is a
smootL
requii
at a
with c
gth is
The ro
is a I
Since
soil ;
depth,
moisti
for r<
Bediun green.
m knolls and
Is clay lo
»il is well-
‘ not unconmon
ng thaws. Soi
well (voliine
soil is mod-
aded and left
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►lue. This
idles of
Ting in
boulders,
ss encroach-
a 1 to'3
equate for
>rk when wet.
tely to slowly
^ changes
in calcareous
Ihe native
slope phase
This
lief and on
nee this
a 3 to 5
changes
ength is
Peaty muck;
^e syiiibol for this
is «>lue. TTus
!S?.2‘b5s‘ij*s:
Shorewood silty clay loamr
vegetation was mixed hardwo^d^ ‘'’>® "“‘ivenapped in Hennepin Countv Earh slope phases of this soil
developmoit will be discussed'separately. ** ”®PP®^ the area of proposed
gjorewood silty clay loam - n to 2 o«v«.r
is a n»T^^el'^soii*ora^i^^^of*'llirtt “^“^ “ light red. This smoott hilltops. Since this soil ^ irelief on
r^uired. This soil is wet for short periods^th^a^^^® grading is generally at a 3 to 5 foot depth ShrinV.^^ ^lods with a seasonal watertable
with changes in moSture content The^^oii"® moderate to high
gth IS adequate for residential^devllq:^.^® slowly permeable. Soil stren-
aiorewood silty clay loam - 2 to
soil is wet for short grading is generally required: This
depth. Shrink^s^rr^SIiSfcI^.? watertable at a 3 tol fo^^
moisture content. The soil is^'sinuriv^^ moderate to high with changes in
for residential developnent. peimeable. Soil strength is adequate
is dark blue. TTiis
3 1/2 to 10 feet or
s a layer of lake sed-
till. Water is at or
Lai has very low bearing
1 fonned in calcareous
till. Tbe native
•bases of this soil
the area of proposed
is light red. TTus
* of low relief on
-le grading is generally
seasonal watertable
is moderate to high
permeable. Soil stren*
is light red. This
Lis and hilltops,
rally required. This
Le at a 3 to 5 foot
{h with changes in
strength is adequate
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POTENTIAL OF SOILS FOR ON-SITE WASTE TREATMENT
According to the reconroended "Ordinance and Code Regulating Individual
Sewage Disposal Systems" published by the Minnesota Department of Health
in 1971 **No soil absorption system shall be installed in an area i^ere
the watertable is at any time less than 6 1/2 feet below ground level
or 4 feet below the bottom of the drain field trench".
This line of thinlcing has changed somewhat over the past 6 years to re
flect research results conducted in various areas of the county. The
proposed Minnesota Pollution Control Agency WPC-40 "Individual Sewage
Treatment Systems Standards" states only that "The bottom of trenches
and beds shall be at least three feet above the watertable or bedrock**
and allows for installation of additional innovative systems other than
the standard subsurface trmich system to meet this recjuirement.
An example of the innovative systems is the mound system. In the mound
systm the seepage bed or trench is elevated by the use of sand fill to
provide the 3 foot separation distance between the bottom of ^e seqpage
trench and a barrier layer such as the watertable or bedrock.
In the preliminary *'Recomn^ed Practices for On-Site Sewage Treatment
Systems** prepared by the City of Orono the 3 foot separation distance
is implied when the highest point of groundwater must be greater than
5 feet for installation of a standard soil absorption system.
Concern about tMs minimum separation distance is due to the fact that
it takes approximately 3 feet of unsaturated soil material to properly
treat the septic tank effluent, toce the septic tank effluent reaches
a watertable treatment of the effluent ceases. This results in the ores
ence of a polluted water body near the surface. Additional iiqjuts of
effluent and natural water in the area may result in surfacing of the
effluent and/or the backing up of the effluent into the house. TTiis ere
ates not only a nuisance to the home owner, but can also pose a health
hazard if the surrounding area is well populated.
The best indicator available for determining the maximum height of a
seasonal watertable which often occurs in the soils of Hennepin COunty
is the presence of soil mottles. Mottling is a distinctive coloration
of grey with red and yellow splotches in the subsoil. Any investigation
of a proposed soil absorption (treatment) system site should include a
determination of the depth at i^ich soil mottles occur. With this back
ground the potential of the original soils mapped in this development ar<
for treatment of septic tank effluent will be discussed.
Areas of Peaty muck soils indicated by dark blue on the accompanying soils
werlay are found in wetlands. The watertable in these organic soils
is above or near the surface the entire year. These areas are unsuitable
for the installation of any soil absorption system.
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a
r;;-: 4;'-A
f..■Mi
mm
The C
soils
with!
durir
in tY
The n
Howev
for t
absoi
Areas
on t>
this
3 fee
of ar
at a
Nessc
seasc
dical
atior
be ms
recon
mott]
shall
The I
the n
tabl<
of tl
evid<
the ]
mean*
stanc
Shor<
seas(
rate*
this
eith<
Erin
high
in e:
an ii
canni
a se:
m
Individual
snt of Health
area vtfiere
und level
^ears to re
alty. Ihe
lal Sewage
' trenches
•r bedrock"
other than
nt.
n the mound
and fill to
the !;eepage
Treatment
distance
ater than
fact that
D properly
nt reaches
in the pres
iiqxits of
ng of the
e. This ere
e a health
g^ht of a
>in County
ailoration
westigation
include a
1 this back-
^eloiment area
npanying soils
lie soils
i unsuitable
rage *i.urmm-mm
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The Glencoe and Hamel soils indicated by the medium blue color on the
soils overlay have the highest vratertable during the year eithei* at or^
within 1 foot of the s»jrface. This water may persist for several months
during the year. Installation of any subsurface soil absorption system
in this soil obviously would not allow the minimum recommended separation
The mound system is designed for soils with periodic high watertables.
However, the watertable must not be higher than 2 feet below the surface
for the mound system to function effectively. Installation of any soil
absorption system on this soil type is not reconmended.
Areas of Dundas and Minnetonka soils are indicated by the light blue color
on the soils overlay. The maximum height of the seasonal watertable in
this soil as indicated by the presence of mottles is usually between 1 and
3 feet. If the mottling occurs at less than a 2 foot depth installation
of any soil absorption system is not reconmended. If the mottling occurs
at a depth greater than z ^a mound system may function properly.
Nessel soils colored light green on the soils overlay commonly have a
seasonal watertable at a depth of 3 to 5 feet. If the soil mottling in
dicates that the depth of the watertable is 3 feet the recommended separ
ation between the bottom of the seepage trench and the watertable ca^t
be maintained. In this case, installation of any subsurface system is not
recommended. However, a mound system can function properly. If the
mottling indicates the watertable present at the 5 foot depth then a
shallow trench system could provide adequate treatment.
The Hayden soil, colored medium green on the accompanying overlay offers
the most potential for waste treatment. Presence of the seasonal water-
table is often below the 5 foot depth. This ^Id allow the installation
of the standard subsurface system. However, in many cases there is
evidence of soil mottling at a 4 to 5 foot depth. This fact, coupled with
the presence of the most premeable portions of this soil nearer the surface,
means that a shallow trench system will probably function better than the
standard system on this soil.
Shorewood soils, colored light red on the soils overlay, coinnonly have a
seasonal watertable at a depth of 3 to 5 feet. In addition, percolation
rates on these soils are often in excess of 60 minutes per inch . For
this reason an innovative mound system will function more effectively than
either a standard system or a shallow subsurface system.
Erin soils indicated by the medium red color on the soils overlay have a
high clay content in the subsoil. This often results in percolation rates
in excess of 60 minutes per inch. For this reason it is recommended that
an innovative mound system be installed on these soils. These systems
cannot be installed on slopes greater than 6 percent. This may represent
a serious problem for the site plan as presently drafted.
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At times it is suggested that the watertable in areas of proposed w^te
treatment systems be lowered through use of agricultural drainage tile
to provide the proper separation distance between seepage trenches and a
watertable.
Use of agricultural drainage tile for this purpose is relatively difficult
for several reasons: i) the tile installed must be properly plac^ to in
sure t^t the watertable is sufficiently lowered not to interfer with the
system; ii) the tile lines must be properly maintained by some party, this
includes the policing of the tile lines to insure that they are TOt dis
turbed in any manner by the hcmieowners or utility companies; iii)^ the
presence of these tile lines offer a convenient outlet for anyone in the
future who has problems with their waste treatment system. An additional
word of caution on using this type of arrangement, is that little research
has been conducted on the functioning of these systems and there is some
question as to how well they will operate.
The area indicated as Borrow pit presents another problem for the location
of an on-site waste treatment system. These systems are designed on the
basis of natural soil characteristics. This means that these systems
should not be constructed on filled areas. There are primarily two reasons
for this. First, it is difficult to determine the pemeability of the
filled area, which makes sizing the system very difficult. Second, if the fill
settles, the distribution lines of the system will no longer be on grade
which will result in unequal distribution of the effluent, localized over
loading of the system and eventual failure of the system through lack of
sufficient treatment and surfacing of the effluent.
Fbr areas that have been graded it may be possible to have a soil absorp
tion system installed if the minimum reconmended distance can be main
tained between the seepage tren<^es and the watertable; and if the perm
eability (percolation rate) is rapid enough. The chance of failure for
the system is greatly increased however, since the more premeable portions
of the soil have usually been removed by the grading; the separation dis
tance has beOT recced and the likelihood of soil compaction during grading
is high.
Based upon the above ;»nsiderations it appears that there should be some
rearrangem^t and recombination of the proposed lots. There are several
lots present as platted that consist entirely of Glencoe, Hamel or Peaty
muck soils which are not suitable for installation of any soil absorption
system. In addition, there are large areas of steep sloped Erin and
(4yden soils where installation of a system is not recommended.
V. PUBLIC WATERS CLASSIFICATION
There are four wetland areas indicated by the soils map. One of these
areas is presently being utilized as a horse pasture and training ring.
At the present time this area is not a viable wetland area.
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land i]
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of the
VI. RUNOFF
With t]
aesthe
will o<
I. ;y#>-1
sed waste
age tile
ches and a
ly difficult
placed to in*
er with the
ne party, this
e not dis*
iii) the
erne in the
additional
tie research
re IS seme
the location
ned on the
I systons
y two reasons
y of the
cond, if the fill
e on grade
alized over*
igh lack of
oil absorp-
be main*
: the peim-
lilure for
ible portions
iration dis-
luring grading
Id be some
ire several
5l or Peaty
. absorption
rin and
1.
of these
ling ring.
The second area idiich is located in the center of the plat would be
classified as a shnib swamp.
The other two areas in the Northwest and Northeast sections of the plat
would be classified as 3 or shallow robust marsh wetland.
Probably the only wetland area* which would be classified as Public Waters
by the Minnesota Dqpartment of Natural Resources would be ^e 5 acre wet
land in the Northwest comer. Any encroachment or alteration of the
wetland requires a permit from ENR.
For further clarification and confirmation of this designation Ron Hamack
of the Metro Region Office should be contacted.
VI. RUNOFF AND EROSION
With the maintenance of the wetland depressions for water storage and
aesthetic purpioses it is not likely that any problem with sedimentation
will occur off the site.
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Hild be
>£ the plat
1.
>ublic Waters
j 5 acre wet-
I of the
>n Ron Hamack
)rage and
limentation
tO:Plaimii
FROM:Hank M
DKTE:Septem
aauBcr: |i^
I reviewed the p
I discovered tha
copy of the plat
In checking the
the dotted line i
the tijne to revi
request tl»e appi
I*m sure the sto
attorney, but ii
rather than afti
I haven't heard
I don't knew Wh
should be conso
might also cons
We should also
property so w
develop^*
In checking th
}yy Orono in th
Some of the pi
required the s
status of the
and such)*
Access to the
traffic probl'
The rezoning
splits tiie M
given straigo
given straij^
future centre
VlKOnX COM
Sid Rebers, h
Planning Comi
ridit ofri^t of way
from devclope
as per aty E
9-19-77).
V' J
TO:
FROM:
DA3B:
SUBJECT
Planning Camiission . Suppl««nt to A1 (ftson-s Report
Haiik Muiiich, Zoning Administrator w
Septenbor 30, 1977
Q4i4n«v R^rs - 2060 Wayiata Boulevard
Si^ ®^^(PxeliJiiinary) - Bezcning
I leviewed the proposal and Sasmissing- - _
lr.ni?P« - *■" '7““;attention. Note
I have not naa
A <m A
y Ot tne pxa*' ““H ---- ♦ ««, at
the plat map, some "®’*i
totted^ine SiT^ted line might indicate, h
J^icawTsubmit s«'^^“^“aae^ini^s°reviewed by
SSS’^th^fSr’T^liSina^ »W«>val
m^t also c . _ cnoineer for drainage fiat
We should also obtain
property !
developed
easeniBiti'9 *''* — ,
in some directiw i
- at this time.
from the
is
In checking ^by Orono in this area. shou
and such).
'TSJu ,2: s-pST-r-srsl-f^ •ns ’.ssiSi'iK'ffffii “WuS s^iis ssss; ,
rrr-’^ asi lajffi
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subdivision (PteliainiPnge 2 f<
The Zoning Adniniitw
subdivision proposal
regarding the propos;
Mr. Kogan was was the re zoning pro
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The PlanniM Coraidss
the legal descriptic
recorded until stam
The Planning Coanis:
receipt of reports
STAFF - October 27,
State Hi^ay Depai
to the subject prq
for the Planning C<
receive a report p*
item for a recocmei
. : - :v. r :
J oport
by A1
Uig a
. Note
e not had
i^t
property,
r our
[ nofw
5 proposal
ay Dept,
y. Vfe
Ives.
► from the
i is
at provided
is issue.
have all
I current
( sizes
my possible
described
How a
If a
» any
listrict.
re present.
)f State
opinion
te provided
engineer
W.
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S5SSSWKS^SLr*«» ».»«Mt-r “•
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CTAFF - October 27, 1977
State
to th
Hi^way Depart^t has - 7 u
, subject PWP'rty;. i^t^sdieduled for NoveaiHsr action
access
agenda
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raa.. Al OlJ
City of O:
P.O. BOX
Crystal B
Subj
Dear Als
AS
applioat
Ne
relative
in the J
to the ^
of rougl
it will
to prop
not ere
the apE
GF:sw
2106
seem
mlaliNd
s on access
the agenda
i£ we do
i action
combs -knutson associa ^
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P.O. BOX 66
mn
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VILLA'S?. OF. OROWQ
crystal Bay. «« 55323 ^ Boulevard
subject: Application
Dear Als■• reviewed the subject subdivision
AS requested, we have
application - - « aevelope
fiS requesiie«» —
appxication. when Outlot A located
we have some and^the two A^'^ According
to
of
it
to
very truly yours,
iON associates, wc -
McC
; p.E
GF:sw
2106
telephone »t2» 58E4700
Rdbert F. Wilte • 320 Wbodhlll Road
Variance - tear Yard Setback #275
COUNCIL leETING
referred appUcation back to Planning Connission at the request
Hhite (copy of letter enclosed).
PLANNING CCmSSICN MEETING
Tabled. Applicant not present.
PLANNING CCIWISSICN MEETING
Mr. VIhite present, ^^jmed the *He
Stated that he had no ha^hips ot^^ouse.
Connission recommended d^ial.
COUNCIL fCETING
Letter from Mr. Vfhite to ^'^^^^^”£Q^®5^g£f^d'councU and potential
•rl»^JCIL MEETING - Septenber 12, 1977
XH. White oiesent. Asked for time to get his profesis^ls to prepare a written statement
concerning the reasons viiy the chosen location is require .
OGUNCIL MEETING - September C6, 1977
Tabled by request of applicant until October 11, 1977.
COUNCIL MEETING^JUUnUXAa mu^a ja^vj ---a-----
Tabled bec«Be applicant not present. CouncU authorized Miyor to call appliomt for
infoxnation.
STAFF - October 20, 1977
Received letter from an>licant*s architect
COUNCIL MEETING - October 24, 1977
Reviewed letter outlining ®FPjA‘^*'®*^®^rf^d^ew^beSS S*thT«^pr»ctical 30 ft. setback due to topograpty of site, exis^ dr^^^^ ^ndthe fret that
^ SSiSlS KbLki; mUxS.»; 1«», ^ ~
from Woodhill Country Qub.
:arciTY
;«OF -
ORONO
Mr. Robert IV]
320 Woodhill
Wayzata, Mini
Mr. White:
At the regula
request for a
no objection
I expect wit
The Gotncil
the access d
proceed with
Planning C6ni
Sincerely,
Asst. Zoning /
AFO: be
: of Mr.
ed July 22, 1977.
^ vrishes. He
osed house,
hysical hardships.
reading same,
ite and potential
ber 12, 1977.
a written statement
1 applicant for
I variance for
Jie only practical
I the foct that
:ter of no objection
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?CITY
;^OF
ORONO
CITY of ORONO
Post Office Box 66* Crystal Bay. Minnesoto 55323* Municipal Offices
On the North Shore of Lake Minnetonka
October 26, 1977
Mr. Robert White
320 Woodhill Road
Wayzata, Minnesota 55391
Mr. White:
M the regular meeting on October 24, 1977, the Orono Council aporoved vour
reqwst for a rear yard setback variance subject to your obtainine a letter of
no objection frai the neighbor to the north, Woodhill Country Club.
' - - -— — ^ W
•’* proceeding with your proposed subdivision
“tlot/ Your next ste^ i^ti SS^^eJS^r
”*** ^ preparotion of record plat drawings. IVhai they areprepared Planning Conmission and Council will revia^ rh«. i,,» ♦«_. 1 .
Sincerely,
. P. Olson
Asst. Zoning Administrator
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ober t C Gaede / rchiteci
50 The Arcade
Cleveland, Ohio 4^
(216)241-3339
Architecture
Urban Design
Historic Preservation
Telephone 473-71157
r ORONO
Ota 55323 •Municipal OflRoea
ed your
letter of
^division,
to making
nr engineer
prepared,
to approval.
(Robert C Gaedc A.I A
lArchitect
1250 The Arcade
Cleveland^ Ohio 44114
(216)241-3339
Architecture
Urban Design
Historic Preservation
In
V
6 October 1977
ORONO VILLAGE COUNCIL
Oron^, Minnesota 55427
Gentlemen:
Robert F, White has commissioned this office to
develop preliminary site planning and designs for
a structure he contemplates on a proposed outlot-
of his present residence. You have requested a *
written opinion supporting a code variance in the
placement of said structure. We understand he must
prove "hardship" for this to be granted.
After on-site inspection we determined the property
only marginal to bear the §gjig£gJ„jTundj^g^JiJioy^nd
dollar structure contemplated. The logic for this
pinion follows:
1.There is one suitable location for a structure:
a)Southwest portion is too narrow where it
abuts Woodhill Road.
b)
\0
Severe grades on the northwest portion
would affect building costs substantially
and adversely. _
_Eastern portion's view is to Woodhill
Country Club dump ground, thus unsuitable* ‘
Percolation .tests indicate substantial
land usage required on east side, as well,
to accommodate drain field within code
due to extensive clay.
Location of present driveway is highly
restrictive. Contour of adjacent land
prohibits moving it, in addition to
affecting aest\i^ics of present residence.
2.The appropriate building site is at narrowest
"neck" of the property, coincidentally its
apex. We deem it marginal.
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For this
site unlc
consider
at this 1
We shall
attendant
expense m
Yours ver
vr;
-v.;
/o
6 October 1977
office to
designs for
>sed outlot-
(quested a *
.ance in the
‘Stand he roust
(d.
I the property
>gic for this
>r a structure:
xow where it
st portion
substantially
» Woodhlll
lus unsuitable.
a
ubstantial "
side, as well,
ithin code
’ is highly
acent land
tion to
ent residence
at narrowest
tally its
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a)
I
Craten^lated structure will be between
south fa^i excess of 100
The fifty foot setback requirement, plus structure
iiS|g|c||S|^|^aves virtually'n^ yard ca“pa"buity
We viewed property prior to seasonal foliage.
oposed structure is dangerously close, aestheticallv
o present house. Extreme care is necessarv to
structures clashing every possible foot that can separate them is vital. ^ ^ ssibie
d)Value of present house could be severely affects?
if new one is "in its lap".
^ve advised our cli^t not to Utilize said
variance is obtained. From his standpoint we
consider this a roost valid hardship as he is anvione *
at this location. We would prefer a 20 foot setback, ideally?
We shall be pleased to respond in greater detail and wif*K
Yours very truly,
Robert C. Gaede, AIA
cc: Mr. Robert F, White
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Hennepin County Park Reserve
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740 E. Lake Street
Khyiata, Minnesota 55391
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1960 East River Terrace
^!inneapolis, Minnesota 55414
Janes LaYPrcnce
1550 Sixth Avenue N.
long Lake, Minnesota 55356
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Cargill Research Center
P. 0. Box 9300
ffinneapolis, rUnnesota 55440
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3505 Kayiata Blvd.
Long Lake, Minnesota 55356
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