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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12-05-1977 Planning Packetr, V; •• ■ Tw>\^ V'- - tf'"* ' y < < k*,*' f .-^ ^ »•' ^ . '•■ ' ■; ' S*.*”. / %v. ?* . • . »L■'; vial ; -■■'''V5» .’■ <-Vr;! > ' :-f■ ’';ai V^T«# '•>-fr'4tl ■...... .V..-WX- r .-^S. H ‘ *rv- • .-'; y -t Jf . .. . • ........... ■Ivi?'", ■ , . ' a- f ‘ A «" . • • .. * ’W"^- J.V it'• VV ' * •. L f ' • \ - i. tU» ' lb kJ’- f r? I AGENDA PLANNING COWISSION MEETING OF DECeiBER 5, 1977 COUNCIL aWBERS - 7:30 P.M. I. CURRENT ITET-IS A. Action Items 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Call to Order #317 - Public Ifearing - 7:30 p.m. Jolin Hartwell - 820 Brown Road North Subdivision (Preliminary) Minutes of Regular Meeting of November 21, 1977 #323 - James Lawrence - 1550 Sixth Avenue North Subdivision (Preliminary) Reconsider - subject to receipt of necessary reports #333 - Thomas Lyon - 4790 North Shore Drive Variance - Lot Area (Action - subject to receipt of survey and evidence of access to Tonka View Lane) #334 - C«orge Jackson Construction Co. - 90 S. Willow Drive Subdivision (Preliminary) (Action - subject to receipt of drainage plans) #337 - Ed Lehman - 2440 Carman Street Front Setback • 2450 Carman Street Front and Lake Setback 2414 and 2416 Carman Street Conditional Use for Duplex - Variance - Front Rear Setback #340 - Calvary Memorial Church - 2420 Dun^^roody Avenue Conditional Use Permit - Oivnership Transfer #341 - Harry Gustafson - 2515 Kelly Avenue Variance - Lakeshore Setback Planning Commission Membership Appointments - Recommendation to Council Variance #338 - Ed Lehman Variance #339 - Ed Lehman B. Work Session Items 1.#002 - Joe Braun - 3024 Casco Point Road Subdivision (Preliminary) Schedule Public Hearing C. Incomplete Items 1. #294 - 2. #306 - James McCleary - 3445 Bayside Road Dredging Application for Stubbs Bay Marina - Lacks Report 6 Alternate Plan Colpepper Land Co. (Neslund) - 40 Orono Orchard Road N. Subdivision (Preliminary) - No Revised Plan Sr;'m Planning c December 5 Page 2 5 II. CCMPIP A. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. rts ce of ive ear Setback tion to s Report 5 oad N. \ . ■mi i V I- h: 1 f i ^ 9 Planning Commission Agenda December 5, 1977 Page 2 II. 3.#308 4.#319 5.*#336 ' ^'^yzata Boulevard - Ife??Statfni^Ly'^p? Biological ibrsh - e?e ■ Forest Arms Subdivision - rn!.«i c P°^^ , COIPLETED ITEMS FOR COUNCIL A. Completed Items 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. #200 #210 #278 #325 #329 - #335 - ‘ SS'SpSSi" '°^’’ ■ *’"*M" * - 1125 Spring Hill Road ^bdivision (Preliminaiy) ' Watertown Road tenms Krump -"28^Tonka Avenue ^ Setback Undetermined Variance - Lot Area, Lot Width f. Street Setback iiT m-: iplete Beach Road hwater ssary :tions letermined MINUT The Orono P with the fo McDonald, C Hassel, Fra Administrat Chairwoman and place J John Hartw< 820 Browti 1 The Zoning of Public 1 The Zoning explaining Road, sout Lake. All requiremen less than a natural adjoins Oi: and corabir Administra indicate t County Ro2 Public Woi 125 feet i an easemei property Road #6. Tim Adams and showe of the lo for Lots two acre showed an onto Coun He explal to the ea configura appro‘^ima trying tc If the C( back 35 : the orig: so they . that the it is no\ prevent i ■ a i ' -I ■'’m- m»*S5 : -m IW**»’ ATTENDANCE-7;30 P.M CITY OF ORONO, MINNESOTA MINUTES toF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, The Orono Plln&ing Coramission met on with the following members , Wilson, Administrator Hank Muhich.# Chairwoman McDonald announced q£ and place for a Public Hearing on the petition or TnVin^H"rtwell for a preliminary subdivision at W^Br^rRoad North, for 24 lots plus o- -tlot. The zoning Administrator presented the Notx of Public Hearing and the Affidavit The Zoning Administrator presented axDlaining that this development is east of Brown RoL, soulh of County Road #6 ® Lake. All the lots meet the requirement of two acres except Lot , less than ^°j^^°’^®®T^g‘^neighbor whose propertyri.srr».s • Air^at-o t-Vtp access point to the north onto Cmmty Road #6 at a point rl^"^ I^"5^^eet°for ^eftreisir^ tJI^: also would be an easement across the northerly 10 fe®f ° „ property for additional right-of-way along County Road #6. T-fm Adams developer for the project, was present and showed the Commission and the of the lot layout indicating revised lot lines for Lots 22, 23 and 24, with Lot 2A meeting the two acre minimum lot size requirement. He also ^owed an overlay indicating the north access road onto County Road H moved easterly 125 feet. He Lplained that in moving the north access road to the east and trying to maintain the original configuration of the lots, L°f approximately 1.9 acres. He added that they are trying to make this access as safe as possibl . If the County would allow the access to be move back 35 feet, which would be 90 feet easterly o thforLinal location, the lots could be arranged so they^all would be about two acres. He stated that the natural waterway will remain the same as it is now, adding there could be easements to prevent filling the ravines. PUBLIC HEARING-7:30 P JOHN HARTWELL 820 BROWN ROAD NORTH SUBDIVISION (PRELIMINARY) #317 .M. I > * i f ^1 IK pi'" MINUTES OF Mr. Adams c private, by he stated t are problen followed, average art with some c He explaint was on Dakc any other t Avenue. Nancy Gawrc already is Mrs. Merri] agreed thei Paul Meyer, homes cou3< The Zoning been addres someone coi building p” The Zoning map which ! which ones which lots a soil tesi The Commisj any possibl would meet The Commisi Engineer's the propose questionab factory on he has chai the letter of the let ma-'. Mayor Van 1 Engineer r which only there were Engineer w. in this ca only given and sugges I 5, 1977 ^DANCE-7:30 P.M. W pH9HP^''''''V'O .JIL »^ .?S*! rr j . / i# , LC HEARING-7:30 P.M. HARTWELL BROWN ROAD NORTH IV IS ION LIMINARY) \v‘ • ‘ t * li - i i * 9^ . ^ t ^ I . < i MINUTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 2 Mr. Adams continued that road ownership will be private, by association, one for each road. Also, he stated that in laying out the lot lines there are problems if the natural lot lines are not followed. When they first layed out the lots the average area was 2.3 acres excluding the wetlands, with some of the lots being less than two acres. He explained that on their first plan the access was on Dakota Avenue, but it was decided that any other access would be better than Dakota Avenue. JOHN HARTWELL (continued) #317 Nancy Gawron, 920 Dakota Avenue, commented there already is a traffic problem on Dakota Avenue. Mrs. Merrill Swanson, 1820 Lakeview Terrace, agreed there was a traffic problem there now Paul Meyer, 940 Dakota Avenue, asked how many homes could be supported without City sewer. The Zoning Administrator replied this had not yet been addressed. Mr. Adams responded that when someone comes in to build, they will check each building plan and septic system plan. The Zoning Administrator pointed out on the soils map which lots would support a septic system and which ones would not. Mr. Adams pointed out which lots the City Engineer stated would require a soil test. The Commission discussed the lay of the lots and any possible changes necessary so that all the lots would meet the two acre minimum lot size requirement. The Commission expressed concern that the City Engineer's letter of November 28, 1977 indicated the proposal not be approved because it was questionable that each lot could support a satis­ factory on-site disposal system, and now it seems he has changed his recommendation since writing the letter. The Commission questioned the validity of the letter. Mayor Van Nest explained that originally the City Engineer reviewed the Hennepin County soils map which only indicated very general information. If there were any questions at that time the City Engineer was asked to make a study, as was done in this case. He also explained that the letter was only given to indicate there should be more tests and suggested the City Engineer submit another report. 'vV* ' MII^TES of a The Zoning Ad a letter from which would h of the projec The Commissio lots would be system. The i the proposed possible prob; Mayor Van Nes it is not nec for a septic to make sure i the Ci ty Engii on the lots i Kathleen Kens< Charles Dallas concern about and south sid< Club Addition, whose lots woi the fence and The Zoning Adm: a legal situat: resolve. Mr. i work around the satisfactory aj After all the was closed at In reply to a the Zoning Adi know now if tl working and tl to check thes( the City does first knowing properly. Commissioner ] the fact the ( the subdivisi( information, i approves the { problems if tl approval of tl from the City 977 - PAGE 2 ] HARTWELL itinued) \ ' y: . -.7 i1- '.‘vsu 'I iff-- s » •••«»«.»* ' , . minutes of a planning commission meeting held DECEMBER 5, I977 - PAGE 3 The Zoning Administrator stated he had expected City Engineer before the meeting which would have clarified his recommendation of the project. JOHN HARTWELL (continued) #317 ^e Commission expressed concern that the proposed lots would be acceptable for a satisfactory septic system. The Commission discussed with the audience the proposed lots and the septic systems and any possible problems that could occur. Mayor Van Nest explained that with a two acre lot it is not necessary to have the entire lot acceptable for a septic system. He added that they wanted to make sure now the lots were buildable and suggested the City Engineer require additional information on the lots where there was a question. Kathleen Kensey, 14111 Albermarle, St. Paul, and Charles Dallar, 1810 Lakeview Avenue, expressed concern about the electric fence along the east and south sides of Outlot 2, Long Lake Country Club Addition. They felt the property owners whose lots would abut the fence might object to the fence and horses so close to their back yard. The Zoning Administrator replied he felt this was a legal situation which the property owners could resolve. Mr. Adams stated he was sure they could work arovind the electric fence and come to a satisfactory agreement. wf^ciosL^at In reply to a question by Commissioner Hammerel the Zoning Administrator stated the City does not know now if the existing septic systems are working and that the City does not have the staff to check these systems annually. He added that the City does not want any new systems without rs new_ng if the existing systems are working properly. ° the .ehdIvt.lo„/beA™r.!th o'SS LJeSy' information, the Commission is told the City Engineer approves the plans. He felt there could be ^ problems if the Commission rushes through the from°thP subdivision without a written reportfrom the City Engineer, :-v : 'A 4 ■ MIllUTES OF A Mr. Adams ref with the part and the City discussion ai his recommenc asked the Cil of his recorar suggestion ti it was felt 1 The Commissi< Engineer had first letter the subdivis many letters but this is changed, Th' faith on his serious prob and later it buildable. The Planning stated he ha the altemat felt precede one acre lot They felt t require that area require with that de great deal o felt some th City Enginee Commissioner seconded, a preliminary from the Cii lots indicat on-site disp Motion - Ay€ Nays (3); Hs After furthe Commission 1 proposal. Commissionei seconded, a petition foi 7 - PAGE 3 ARTWELL nued) i{ I i' -i: :■" «:• V *■ j ’ MIllUTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 4 Mr. Adams replied he had gone to great lengths^ ^ JOHN ARTWELL with the parties involved, with the Zoning Administrator (continued) and the City Engineer and that they had a verbal #317 discussion and the City Engineer was favorable in his recommendation of the project. He also had asked the City Engineer to submit another letter of his recommendation. It was at the City Engineer s suggestion that he call off his soil tests because it was felt they were not needed. The Commission expressed concern because the City Engineer had changed his recommendation from his first letter when he recommended not approving the subdivision. The Commission has received many letters from the City Engineer in the past, but this is the first time his recommendation has changed. They felt Tim Adams was entirely in good faith on his part, but they also felt there could be serious problems if the subdivision was approved and later it was found some of the lots were not buildable. The Planning Commission addressed Lot 24. Mr. Adams stated he had gone to considerable cost to prepare the alternative plans for Lot 24. The Commission felt precedent indicated they could not allow a one acre lot. They felt they should follow the precedent and require that Lot 24 meet the two acre minimum lot area requirement. Mr. Adams stated he was agreeable with that decision and added that he had done a great deal of homework in preparing these plans and felt some things just were not apparent from the City Engineer's first report. Commissioner Hassel moved. Commissioner Hurr seconded, a motion to table the Public Hearing for preliminary subdivision until a report is received from the City Engineer on the soil conditions of the lots indicating if the lots will support a satisfactory on-site disposal system. Motion - Ayes (4); Hammerel, Hassel, Hurr and McDonald: Nays (3); Hannah, Frahm and Wilson. The motion passed. After further discussion of the subdivision, the Commission retracted their motion to table the proposal. Commissioner Hassel moved, Commissionei Hurr seconded, a motion to recommend approval of the petition for a preliminary subdivision contingent 1- ’ ^■»! <1 .(. m m 5 % ^4H r--' ■ zk ■s V .-'1. ■* V? MINUTES OF A on the folio (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (11) (12) (13) (14) (15) (16) The Cit he reco divisio An on-s for all area of primary The lot altered minimun Drainag the prc A wetl2 over tl on the The pai A 10 f1 proper! An und< for pr; Outlot be coml The ac< be rel< locati< Decembt Public The Hei submit access 30 fee The lo 16 wil will h The do be 6 f A 33 f along Avenue A vari if rel Road # Lot 10 Lots 2 Terrac Motion - Ay Hannah: Na The motion - ' -v:-i I'mliitiPi - PAGE 4 lARtWELL Lnued) r I J t' s >5 TJ't £ s - ■iiiii»*-’•"«P"| .'H» MI^IUTFS OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 5 on the following: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (11) (12) (13) (14) (15) (16) The City Engineer submit a letter indicating he recommends approval of the proposed sub­ division; and An on-site sewage disposal system be provided for all lots and that each lot contain adequate area of acceptable soils to support an adequate primary and alternate soil absorption system; and The lot lines between Lots 22, 23 and 24 be altered so all three lots will meet the minimum two acre area requirement; and Drainage easements be provided as indicated on the proposed plat; and A wetlands conservation easement be provided over the area along the shoreline as indicated on the proposed plat; and The park dedication fee be paid; and A 10 ft. easement be provided along the north property boundary abutting County Road and An underlying easement be provided to the City for private roads; and Outlot A be approved with the assurance it will be combined with any of the adjoining properties; and The access road approach at County Road #6^ be relocated 125 feet easterly of the original location as indicated on the plat submitted December 2, 1978, as per Hennepin County Public Works Department recommendation; and The Hennepin County Public Works Department submit a letter of approval for moving the north access at County Road #6 westerly an additional 30 feet; and The lot lines be altered so only Lots 7 and 16 will have access to the lake and each lot ^ill have not less than 200 feet of lakeshore; and The dock easement for the two shoreline lots be 6 feet wide; :nd A 33 ft. right-of-way be dedicated to the City along the east boundary line abutting Dakota Avenue; and A variance of 1/10 acre be approved for Lot 10 if relocation of the approach from County Road #6 results in a lot area reduction of Lot 10; and Lots 22 and 23 could access onto Lakeview Terrace. JOHN HARTWELL (continued) #317 Motion - Ayes (4); Hammerel, Wilson, Frahm and Hannah: Nays (3); Hurr, Hassel and McDonald. The motion passed. MihUTES OF A Chgirwoman M< corrections She stated t motion shoul experimental Page 8, Para to read that not County R There being Hannah moved to approve t meeting of ^ Motion - Aye The Zoning P referred thd for their re however, the Carney that Commission c item it wil! The Zoning i received a < proposed lo( felt this w< View Lane c< was not sur< Covinty Road Commissione a motion to variance \m Motion - Ay The Zoning Commissione Engineer wh division. The Commiss check soil replied thi Engineer. Engineer's Bob Tyler, 1 ^ ^ ^they have s very good i E_ _^_ _ _ ^ - PAGE 5 ^RTWELL lued) mmmmmmrn.i.'iiSzxZ^S MlkuTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 197? - PAGE 6 Chairwoman McDonald asked for any additions or corrections to the minutes of November 7, 1977 She stated that on Page 2, Paragraph 3, the motion should include that no dogs be sold for experimental purposes. Also, she noted on Page 8, Paragraph 5, the motion should be change to read that access will come off Navarre Lane only, not County Road ^^15. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MEETING OF NOVEMBER 7, 1977 r There being no further discussion, Coamissioner Hannah moved. Commissioner Hassel secondea, a motion to approve the minutes of the Planning Commission meeting of November 7, 1977, as amended. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0). The motion passed. The Zoning Administrator stated the Council had^ referred this item back to the Planning Commission for their review of additional plans. He explaine , however, that he had received a call from Doug Carney that the plans were not ready. Since the Commission did not have anything more on this item it will go back to the Council. JAMES LAWRENCE 1550 SIXTH AVENUE NORTH SUBDIVISION (PRELIMINARY) #323 The Zoning Administrator stated he had not yet received a certified survey of the lot with proposed locations of structures, adding that he felt this was necessary so the access from Tonka View Lane could be properly reviewed. Also, he was not sure of the location of the access onto Co\inty Road #19 and a survey would indicate this. THOMAS LYON 4790 NORTH SHORE DRIVE VARIANCE - LOT AREA #333 Commissioner Hannah moved. Commissioner Hurr seconded a motion to table the application for a lot area variance until additional material is received. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0). The motion passed. The Zoning Administrator presented the Planning Commissioners copies of the letter from the City Engineer which recommended approval of the sub­ division. GEORGE JACKSON CONST. 90 S. WILLOW DRIVE SUBDIVISION (PRELIMINARY) #334 The Commission questioned what had been done to check soil conditions. The Zoning Administrator replied this should be addressed by the City Engineer. Chairwoman McDonald noted the City Engineer*s letter did not address soil conditions. Bob Tyler, from George Jackson & Associates, stated they have soil tests on these lots which indicated very good results. !'"1 4 4' i h . *■ MINUTES OF A Commissioner seconded, a ir preliminary s conditions: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) A 60* wi with an A 60* es the proj of the 1 develop!! Drainage on the c The pari A title approvee Motion - Ayej The Zoning Ac request is ox the use of tl Warren Anderj they will be school and wl they plan to building. H< kindergarden have church < add the new < congregation The Zoning A is zoned res exceed 40% o he will have or variances the surround this meeting Jack Niemi, Church, comm information The Commissi provide suff Mr. Warren i adequate are the new sane sanctuary, e would fit on n - PAGE 6 /AL OF MINUTES STING OF NOVEMBER 11 1 LAWRENCE SIXTH AVENUE NORTH [VISION .IMINARY) VS LYON NORTH SHORE DRIVE VNCE - LOT AREA LGE JACKSON CONST. WILLOW DRIVE DIVISION 'LIMINARY) f .A.. MINUTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 7 Commissioner Hassel moved. Commissioner Hurr seconded, a motion to recommend approval of the preliminary subdivision subject to the following conditions; GEORGE JACKSON CONST, (continued) #334 (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) A 60* wide private access road be provided ^ith an underlying easement to the City, and A 60* easement to the east boundary line of the property be provided for continuation of the road and drainage for any future development to the east^ and Drainage easements be provided as indicated on the drainage plan: and The park dedication :^:ee be pr^5d; and A title opinion be addressed to the City and approved by the City Attorney. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0). The motion passed. The Zoning Administrator explained that this request is only a transfer of ownership and that the use of the property will not change. VJarren Anderson was present and explained that they will be using the building as a church and school and when they sell their present church they plan to use that money to build onto this building. He also stated they will have grades kindergarden through the fourth grade and will have church on Sunday in the school until they add the new church. He explained they have a congregation of about 300 people. CALVARY MEMORIAL CHURCH 2420 DUNWOODY AVENUE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OWNERSHIP TRANSFER #340 The Zoning Administrator explained that this property is zoned residential and the hard cover cannot exceed 407o of the lot. He also reminded Mr. Anderson he will have to check if they will need setbacks or variances. He informed the Commission that all the surrounding neighbors had been notified of this meeting. Jack Niemi, pastor of Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, commented they were only looking for information at this point. The Commission expressed concern that the church provide sufficient parking plans and asked Mr. Warren if he had considered if there would be adequate area to provide sufficient parking for the new sanctuary. They questioned if the new sanctuary, existing school and required parking would fit on the lot. H i S r ^ t i\ I " 6: > 'n vf ■4. -•J « I MINUTES OF A They were co planned ther parking beca The Zoning A that the pro to the Ordin parking spac out that the exceed 52,00 4,000 square Mr. Anderson plans at thi Commissioner Mr. Anderson drive their < bused. The Commissi traffic prob be located, be on Dunwoo was suggeste The Commissi Lane is priv for parking The Commissic size of the c dimensions oi Mr, Anderson as soon as pc option. Commissioner seconded, a n Conditional I with concept provide a sit information £ (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) The loca and any Plans fo Plans fo Location A survey Motion - Ayes r ■ - m- I 7 - PAGE 7 JACKSON CONST, nued) y MEMORIAL CHURCH lUNWOODY AVENUE TONAL USE PERMIT HIP TRANSFER li m t W 4 MINUTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 8 They were concerned that when another building is planned there should be plans made for sufficient parking because of potential parking problems. CALVARY MEMORIAL CHURCH (continued) #340 The Zoning Administrator informed the Commission that the property consists of three acres and referred to the Ordinance requirements, which require one parking space for each four seats. He pointed out that the building and parking area should not exceed 52,000 square feet, which would leave about 4,000 square feet for the new sanctuary. Mr. Anderson stated they did not have any parking plans at this time. Commissioner Hurr asked if busing was provided. Mr. Anderson replied they have a few parents who drive their children, but most students are bused. The Commission expressed concern about potential traffic problems and asked where the access would be located. Mr. Anderson replied the access would be on Dunwoody Avenue at County Road #15. It was suggested Church Lane be used for parking. The Commission pointed out, however, that Church Lane is private property and could not be used for parking purposes. The Commission indicated they wanted to know the size of the church, including the approximate dimensions of the building. Mr. Anderson stated they wanted to get this done as soon as possible before they exercise their option. Commissioner Hassel moved. Commissioner Hammerel seconded, a motion to table the application for a Conditional Use Permit and transfer of ownership with concept approval until the applicant can Provide a site plan including the following information for their review: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) The location and size of the existing school and any other existing structures; and Plans for proposed parking area; and Plans for access roads; and Location and size of the proposed sanctuary; and A survey indicating the area of the property. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0). The motion passed. m.'li A ' 'i -i :>■ MIlJuTES OF A Chairwoman as the present < Mayor Van Nes regarding th: geographic h it is not coi it is not cei would not be The Zoning A< slab is rein from the sho; only be an a< increase the Mr. Gustafsoi father owns stated the n> than a screei be using scr> glass door ai will go towa is only 14' ; the whole bo. a dangerous will be more for the hard be able to s Chairwoman M' layout, but The Commissi' view could b Zoning Admin the new stru the ground. Commissioner the fact the 75 feet from stated there which have b the hard cov request wher to add a red than 75 feet Commission d The Zoning this reque difficult glass stru L977 - PAGE 8 ^ARY MEMORIAL CHURCH itinued) ) ...^ i- '.■■■m MIlJuTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 9 ......mm. ^ Chairwoman asked about the possibilities of using the present Good Shepherd Church for a City Hall, Mayor Van Nest stated he has talked with the staff regarding this and it was agreed that because the geographic location of this building is in Navarre it is not considered a good possibility because it is not centrally located within the City and would not be convenient for many citizens. CALVARY MEMORIAL CHURCH (continued) #340 I; i h > The Zoning Administrator explained that the existing slab is reinforced concrete and is less than 75 ft. from the shoreline. The proposed structure will only be an addition above this and will not increase the hardcover area. HARRY GUSTAFSON 2515 KELLY AVENUE VARIANCE - LAKESHORE SETBACK #341 Mr, Gustafson was present and explained that his father owns this property and lives here. He also stated the new structure will be nothing more than a screened in porch. He explained they will be using screening for the structure with a sliding glass door and they will have four gutters wliich will go toward the back of the house. The area is only 14' x 16' and they will not be covering the whole boat house. He added that now it is a dangerous situation, but they feel the addition will be more attractive and will improve the drainage for the hard cover and that the neighbors will be able to see through the structure. Chairwoman McDonald commented it was a beautiful layout, but she did not see what hardship existed. The Commission expressed concern that the neighbor's view could be blocked by the new structure. The Zoning Administrator stated the highest point of the new structure will be less than 30 feet from the ground. Commissioners Hurr and Frahm were concerned about the fact the new structure would be less than 75 feet from the lakeshore. The Zoning Administrator stated there have been other requests in the past which have been addressed from the standpoint of the hard cover. The Commission cited a similar request where the applicant asked for approval to add a redwood deck which would have been less than 75 feet from the lakeshore and the Planning Commission denied the request. The Zoning Administrator commented that even if this request was only for screening it would be difficult to deny a request in the future for a glass structure. r' MINUTES OF Commissione had been di notified of Mr. Gustafs would not a any object! Administrat of this mee Commissione a motion to lakeshore s structure o 1) no hards an expansio Motion - Ay Wilson, Fra! There was fi was brought boat houses for similar Mayor Van N< is opposed i past they he The Zoning i was destroys rebuilt. R< or temporary He explaine( was subdivi< of this proi existing cal 75 feet fror Mr. Gustafsc aesthetics £ attractive. Commissionei a motion to the request Motion - Aye The Commissi for other ex also would b also felt th to the neigh 1977 - PAGE 9 .VARY MEMORIAL CHURCH mtinued) ^0 IKY GUSTAFSON L5 KELLY AVENUE IIANCE - LAKESHORE rBACK il W < m * •vw- ■M- •• ^ i MINUTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 10 Commissioner Hammerel asked Mr. Gustafson if this had been discussed with the neighbors had been notified of this meeting to- discuss the addition. Mr. Gustafson replied yes, adding that his father would not add this structure if there had been any objections from the neighbors. The Zoning Administrator stated the neighbors had been notified of this meeting to discuss the addition. Commissioner Hassel moved, Commissioner Hurr seconded, a motion to reconmiend denial of the request for a lakeshore setback variance to erect an enclosed structure on top of an existing foundation because 1) no hardship existed; and 2) the addition would be an expansion of an existing non-conforming use. Motion - Ayes (3); Hammerel, Hassel, Hurr: Abstain (4); Wilson, Frahm, Hannah, McDonald. The motion failed. There was further discussion of the proposal. It was brought up that there are a number of existing boat houses where the property owners could ask for similar requests. Mayor Van Nest commented that this type of addition is opposed to the Ordinance, adding that in the past they have tried to remove these structures. The Zoning Administrator stated if the structure was destroyed over 50% by fire it could not be rebuilt. Regardless if the structure was permanent or temporary they would ask that it be removed. He explained that when the property originally was subdivided the new structure located north of this property was approved on the condition an existing cabin be removed which was less than 75 feet from the lakeshore. Mr. Gustafson stated they are considering the aesthetics and feel the addition will be very attractive. Commissioner Hurr moved. Commissioner Hassel seconded, a motion to reconsider the previous motion to deny the request for a lakeshore setback variance. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0). The motion passed. The Commission was concerned about setting a precedent for other existing slabs along the shoreline which also would be non-conforming situations. They also felt the addition would be a visual obstruction to the neighbors. HARRY GUSTAFSON (continued) #341 MINUTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 11 Commissioner Hurr commented that the drainage could be corrected in some other way. Commissioner Hammerel stated he has a cabin in Wisconsin where the Department of Natural Resources prohibit repair or addition of existing non- conforming structures that come within the minimum shoreline setbacks. HARRY GUSTAFSON (continued) #341 Commissioner Hassel moved. Commissioner Hurr seconded, a motion to recommend denial of the request for a lakeshore setback variance for an enclosed structure on top of an existing foundation. Motion - Ayes (5); Hurr, Hammerel, Wilson, Hasseland Hannah; Abstain (2); Frahm and McDonald, The motion passed. The Zoning Administrator explained that Paul Raster was present and had an inquiry and would like some direction from the Commission, Mr, Raster passed out a survey of the property. Tile Zoning Administrator stated that Mr. Raster is proposing two properties with lake access. The present zoning is one-half acre minimum lot area and this property is one acre. Mr. Raster is trying to get two lakeshore lots. The require ment in this area is for 100 ft. of lakeshore and the lot has 152 feet of lakeshore. One lot be about 52 feet wide, Mr, Raster explained his request further. Mayor Van Nest stated the new Ordinance stated there must be minimum width at the building and at the lakeshore. The Zoning Administrator commented he had informed Mr, Raster of these requirements. The Commission felt the property should be divided so only one lot would have lake access and in turn would meet the minimum lakeshore lot width requirement. To divide the lot as requested would be against the Ordinance. Mayor Van Nest explained that this property along with the properties to the east were zoned commercial in 1968 and at that time there was approval for 80 units. However, these units were never built. In 1974 this area was rezoned to LR-lC. The proposed duplex would be allowed with a Conditional Use Permit* He added that where there had been aproval for 80 units before there now will only be three units. PAUL RASTER 2600 CASCO POINT ROAD SUBDIVISION (INFORMATION) ED LEHMAN 2440, 2450, 2414 & 2416 CARMAN STREET #337, #338 & #339 mm i'11. % MINUTES OF Commission! rearranged feet from 1 Mayor Van I road there these prop€ water, but because the that this c station. The Zoning location of from a coimr Peterson ha that the du also was co renter who street. Mayor Van N building wo Commissione required thi of a commer< The Zoning A and setbacks Mayor Van N request and not apply h said he wan whole family duplex for i felt there \ The Commiss 200 feet of Parcel C be shoreline o The Commiss Street, it since the p lot met the hardship wa and soil co The Commissior Carman Street. - PAGE 11 JSTAFSON led) TER CO POINT ROAD ION TION) 50, 2414 & 2416 rREET 38 & #339 MM 'V ;r MIKUTES Conmissioner Hurr asked if the lots could be these properties have been assessed for sewer and water, but they have not been able to hoorup however. station ^ could be solved by installing a lift l^Ltio^o/^!!^"a‘"^f^'^°’' explained that the proposed J='=^®P*'°"ed him and was concerned that the duplex would obstruct her view. She Hreet Parking on the Ifayor Van Nest stated that a small part of the building would be within the required 200 ft Commissioner Hurr commented that the Ordinance required the whole building to be within 200 ft of a commercial area. The Zoning Administrator reviewed the variances and setbacks that were being requestld! SuL^Lf lelf to this t regulations might said he explained that Mr. Lehman had to develop this property for his whole family and plans to live in one Lde of the feft^^K^°’^ ’^®'^^tement. Also, he commented hefelt there was a hardship on Lots C andT Parcel? hfi etea and the dwelling on shorliine'’orfhe°u|lon?"'" ^e commission discussed the variance for 2440 Carman einee ^ ''^rlance should be approved lot met serviced by sewer, and the hardshln requirement, and a ED LEHMAN (continued) ED LEHMAN 2440 CARMAN STREET VARIANCE FRONT SETBACK #337 ^L^Htreet? variances for 2450 M. m. < H ■ -• MitoTES OF A I It was agreed since the prop lot met the ml a hardship was and soil condi The Commission and variances Carman Street, allowed if it of the commerc area is servic structure is 1 there is no adi the narrow lot combine the th; The Commission for the duplex be implemented Commissioner Hs seconded, a mot request for an at 2440 Carman Motion - Ayes ( Commissioner H seconded, a mo yard setback v setback varian Motion - Ayes (( motion passed. Commissioner H£ seconded, a mot a Conditional l at 2414 and 24] following varis (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) The duple adjacent All three The exist A 13 ft. A 20 ft. A 4,853 s Motion - Ayes (7 m*]JL >77 - PAGE 12 SHMAN :inued) AN R man street E ETBACK MltoTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 13 It was agreed the variances should be approved since the property was serviced by sewer, and the lot met the minimum lot area requirement, and and^soil^^ demonstrated because of the topography ED LEHMAN 2450 CARMAN STREET VARIANCE FRONT 6c LAKE SETBACK #338 The Commission discussed the Conditional Use Permit and variances to build a duplex at 2414 and 2416 Carman Street. It was felt the duplex should be allowed if it would be located within 200 feet of the commercially zoned property because the area is serviced by sewer, the location of the structure is limited because it is a comer lot there is no additional land available to widen ’ the narrow lot, and it will be an improvement to combine the three lots. The Commission also discussed parking problems for the duplex and felt certain restrictions should e implemented to avoid problems for the neighbors. Commissioner Hasel moved. Commissioner Hannah seconded, a motion to recommend approval of the request for an 8 ft. front yard setback variance at 2440 Carman Street. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0). The motion passed. Commissioner Hannah moved. Commissioner Hassel seconded, a motion to recommend approval of a 10 ft yard setback variance and a 25 ft: lakesh§re setback variance at 2450 Carman Street, Motion - Ayes (6); Abstain (1); Hurr. The motion passed. Commissioner Hassel moved. Commissioner Hurr seconded, a motion to recommend approval of ^ Use Permit to construct a duplex at 2414 and 2416 Carman Street including the following variances and conditions: The duplex be located within 200 ft. of the adjacent commercially zoned property; and All three lots be combined; and The existing buildings be removed; and ^ on ^^ont yard setback variance; and A / Qc^‘ setback variance; and A 4,853 sq. ft. lot area variance. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0). The motion passed. ED LEHMAN 2414 6c 2416 CARMAN ST. VARIANCE FRONT 6c REAR SETBACK CONDITIONAL USE FOR DUPLEX #339 front ♦ i X I •I: Iim V- ■ N " MINUTES OF A The Commissi for a preliir Public Hear! Commissionez seconded, a and Commissi Commission n Motion - Aye The motion p It was sugge one year ter and beginnin The Commissi will be the Commissioner seconded, a continue her three months the end of P to begin his for a total so that a ne one year ter Motion - Aye The Commissi up as guidel becoming Pla Commissioner a motion to Motion - Aye I 1>77 - PAGE 13 :hman CARMAN STREET iNCE ’ & LAKE SETBACK HMAN & 2416 CARMAN ST NCE & REAR SETBACK TIONAL USE FOR X V:. N. -. . - . ^/r•r-fT' im r MINUTES OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD DECEMBER 5, 1977 - PAGE 14 The Connnissioil discussed the request by Joe Braun, for a preliminary approval of his subdivision. A Public Hearing was scheduled for January 16, 1978, JOE BRAUN 3024 CASCO POINT ROAD SUBDIVISION (PRELIMINARY) Commissioner Hurr moved. Commissioner Hassel #002 seconded, a motion to recommend reappointment of Chairwoman McDonald and Commissioner Hannah for another term as Planning Commission members. Motion - Ayes (5); Abstain (2); McDonald and Hannah The motion passed. PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER APPOINTMENTS It was suggested extending the chairmanship to a one year term rather than the present six months, and beginning each term on the first of the year. The Commission noted that Commissioner Hassel will be the next in line for chairmanship. Commissioner Hannah moved. Commissioner Wilson seconded, a motion for Chairwoman McDonald to continue her term as chairwoman for an additional three months, for a total of nine months, until the end of March 1978, and for Commissioner Hassel to begin his term as chairman three months early, for a total of nine months, beginning in April, 1978, so that a new term for chairman would begin for a one year term as of January 1, 1979. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0), The motion passed. The Commission felt some standards should be set up as guidelines for people who are interested in becoming Planning Commission members. Commissioner Hurr moved. Commissioner Hassel seconded, a motion to adjourn the meeting at 11:20 P.M. Motion - Ayes (7); Nays (0). The motion passed. / ■ f I h. AGENDA I. CURREfn’ ITEf.fS A. Action Items 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Call to Order #.■517 - Public Hearing - 7:30 p.m. JotaHarttrell - 820 Brown Road North Subdivision (Preliminary) Minutes of Re^lar Meeting of November 21, 1977 *323 - James Uwence - 1350 Sixth Avenue North Subdivision (Preliminary) «333 to receipt of necessary renorts*333 - pomas Lyon - 4790 North Shore Drive reports Variance - Lot Area icSrt; T^rvieS .^,o y®tiance - Front Setback 338 - Ed phman - 2450 Caiman Street #110 Setback*339 - M Utan - 2414 and 2416 Carman Street ■3.. ■ K‘S£ "S? Variance - Lakeshore Setback Commission Membership Appointments - Recomendation to B. Work Session Items 1. #002 -Casco Point Road Subdivision (Preliminarv) Schedule lAiblic Hearing' C. Incomplete Items 1. #294 - 1 ^ •#306 - J^es NfcCleary - 3445 Bayside Road AUefi^fe '•'^tina - Ucks Report 5 ss? f I I ■•-vl ■ ft Planning Canmiss December 5, 1977 Page 2 it i. >1 3. If 4. # 5.If II. COMPLETED I A. Comple 1. # 2. # 3. 4. 5. 6. # # # # J of re r Setback on to eport ^ N. Planning Commission Agenda December 5, 1977 Page 2 3. #308 - Sidney Rebers - 2060 Wayzata Boulevard Subdivision (Preliminary) ^ Rezoning - Lacks CcHiiplete Reports (No response from State Highway Dept.) 4. #319 - West Sliore Lafayette Bay Association - 2440 Old Beach Road Dredging of Qiannel fj Disposal of Spoils in Freshwater Biological Marsh - Lacks Complete Report 5. #336 - Forest Arms Subdivision - Carol Sue Dongoske Review Wetlands and Riparian Status - Lacks Necessary Material - No Response to Staff Letter of Instructions II. COMPLETED ITEMS FOR COUNCIL A. Completed Items 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. #200 - Victoria Grain Conpany - 500 North Arm Drive Dock Proposal #210 - Jack Rhode - 1410 Bohn’s Point Road Final Resolution #278 - William Kelley - 2340 Fox Street Subdivision (Final) #325 - Conley Brooks - 1125 Spring Hill Road Subdivision (Preliminary) #329 - Earl Dom - 3965 Watertown Road Variance - Front Setback - Area Side Setback Undetermined #335 - Dennis Krump - 280 Tonka Avenue Variance - Lot Area, Lot Width P, Street Setback V . y.. me. The Farm at Long Subdivision / Page 2 PLANNING oa-i'Css: Work Session. I as submitted for (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (11) Lots 1 and Idcntificat (Consider e' Identificat Policy vs. < shoreline a Identi^ la Providing r Lakevie.v Te Park Dedica Easement^; ( Drainage pa agencies). Receipt of recomniendat Possible de Commission consi determination of scheduled for De STAFF - Novembc Received City Er and recommendati I ny - • •. V. ^ V \ tCAtC 9pOti ypoo 4jDOtf 9jOOO william T mills ¥» ,l 41 .■ • ■ Jlf-.Ji V ^ The Fam at Long - 820 Brown Road N. Subdivision / Page 2 ^ 1 ^7/ / .-j„ > G s PLANNING CCJinSSICN IKTING - November 21, 1977 «brk Session. Mr. Tim Adams was present. Planning Co>™issi°" ^ sunned for preliminary approval. Following issues were discussed during review. g £5fiS«»‘S‘2Sll4‘ll’L «.«.« !««...? .ub.OnJ.ri no..- ^ ^ (Consider evidence of purcJiase agreement from adjoining property owner). (4) Poli^^vst^Ordinance requirements in determining lake shore lots (200 ft. or shoreline as proposed). ... * ..i rsi Identify lake access across wetlands with separate outlets. (6) S^viding road access to lots 21 and 23 (private easement on cul-de-sac from Lakeviev Terrace). f71 Park Dedication Fee. Fa<^f»Trent-' fconservation, flowage, drainage, utility, road). (9) tolSJ^g^pa«em determination^^ubjoct to reports of City Engineer and various (10) Riceipfof reports from various agencies and staff sui^rvisors before deteimining recommendation to Council. (11) Possible delay of decision due to Holiday season. Commission considered cancelling next two sc^ieduled Planning Comnission matings if determination of recommendations can be forwarded to Council after the public hearing scheduled for December 5, 1977. 5^/^PF - November 29, 1977 Received City Engineer report regarding proposal. (Copy enclosed) - Note comments and recommendations. I*. t-j r* •* ’>> 'A*'"''’.'U Hank Muhich City of Oro P.O. Box 66 Crystal Bay Subj Dear Hank: At y subdivisio) The twenty-fiv€ will requii Brown Road property at Our 1. needed. Id swale in pr the back ol lines of th 2. and the Hen on-site was through 19, slopes (in unsuitable soils as w€ on-site sep 12805 Ol 22 : SOUTHW 1:7• • ; proposed plat Lng review: 5. ). t. or c from d various determining tings if ic hearing Donments -’If li k I . y 'r:- ■V \i i '-■-I KAy r'-,*' ’rs'*' ■* ■ \ iL McCOMBS-KNUTSON ASSaGATEJd )f; 'Sk CONSULTING E^GINEEHS ■ LAND SURVEYORS « SITE PLANNERS November 28, 1977 NOV VILLAGE OE ORONO Hank Muhich City of Orono P.O. Box 66 Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323 Subject: The Farm at Ix>ng Lake - 820 Brown Road N. Preliminary Subdivision Dear Hank: At your request, we have reviewed the subject preliminary subdivision. The proposal is to subdivide approximately 70 acres into twenty-five lots, of which two lots will be less than two acres and will require a lot size variance. The property is located off Brown Road and County Road No. 6, with the southeast corner of the property abutting Long Lake. Our comments are as follows: 1. Drainage easements have not been identified, but will be needed. In particular, easements will be needed along the drainage swale in proximity to Lots 12,13,22,23,24 and 25 and the swale in the back of Lots 18 and 19 and extending to the wetland. We also request a 10-ft easement along the south and east lines of the subdivision. 2. Based on the soil report included in the subdivision packet and the Hennepin County Soil Maps, there are potential problems with on-site waste treatment systems on Lot 4 through 9,12 and 13, 17 through 19, and 21. In particular, these lots have either steep slopes (in excess of 12%), unsuitable soils (high water table and unsuitable soil types), or combinations of these. Glencoe and Hamel soils as well as areas with slopes in excess of 12% are unsuitable for on-site septic systems. 12805 OLSON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA 55441 TELEPHONE (612) 559-3700 22 NORTH MAIN S1TIEET, HUTCHINSON, MINNESOTA 55350 TELEPHONE (612) 879-8029 SOUTHWEST ENGINEERING DIVISION, MARSHALL, MINNESOTA 56258 TELEPHONE (507) 532-5820 nn rorwrloH 4n<»f Hank Muhicl November 21 Page Two BecE systems, i1 until there can be pro\ be advisab] GF: ts / r > E OE ORONO • •Liminary s into o acres and d off er of the 3ut will be le drainage swale in nth and east vision packet oblems with 13, 17 r steep able and and Hamel □suitable for 559-3700 329 537-5820 1 ■ . Vv‘< • ■ Hank Muhich November 28, 1977 Page Two U 6^ Because of potential problems with on-sit© soil treatment systems, it is recommended that the proposal not be approved until there is further information that will Insure that each lot can be provided a satisfactory on-site disposal system. It may be advisable to readjust the lot layout. Very truly yours, GF:ts McCOMB^Ny^rSON ASSOCIATES, INC. ank, P.E. ^.QfinT^*d on rrrvrfrrf WATERS P.O. Box 387, Wayza BOARD OF MArtAGtRS: David H. Cochran. Net. • H, Da!e Novembi Mr. H. City o P.O. B Crysta Re: Dear ^ We ha^ regarc 1. 2. 3. Than] Sinc< Datment /ed ?ach lot [t may INC. WATERSMEO niSTRICT ___ r-croftt UR.£ MIHKETOXM P.O. Box 387, Wayzata, Minnesota 55391 D°yirH°L*hf«Tp»e*- * H P*'* ll tsr^z.^.'vaNovember 22, 1977 -1 Mr. H. Huhich, Zoning Administrator City of Orono P.O. Box 66 CC-303Crystal Bay, Minnesota 553^3 SILIAGB oa OBOtia *. T r^r»rr T aks” Hartwell Property tse- "The Farm at Long Lake n . ^ ■ subdivision on Brown Road North Dear Mr. Muhich:Dear mi. ^ . Tetter of November 18, 1977 with map we have received your * comments follow: regarding the subject property. ^ - _ _ _ _ _1... V 1. -- - - — .Steep slopes <?" Portions^of s^e^fl^“"" the drainage into Lo g . property. In these sSir"o:s“ «■ «»i. d„i.„.... IS nied of remedial measures now. 2. The Long Lake flood plain area should be restricted as t^ledging, filling or building. 3.This area generally “aa sewage treatmentnifirau required, the pSISibiiity of a combined community system shou be considered.t>e consiuco-cv*. 4.^,^n In allowing review of this project. Thank you for your cooperation in allowi g Sincerely, InginLrs >hn A. Holroquist JAH/cml ' } * 9* mamm li 'V * 1 mL ! “ li i . J-"’ M' i( .f < jE^f Janes L^Tence - Subdivision (Pre Page 2 PLTOING Ca.MISS Mr. La\»rcnce and Discussed draina, Comnission mcmbe: on roads exceedii Planning Commissi conditicDffis; (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) Approval of Approv’al of Providing 3i center of c; Approval of Council appi ments). Location of Completion a Park Dedicat Title opinic CCXJNCIL MEETING (6) (7) (8) (9) Presented Plann slopes review b; Commission was i to be private oi Requested soil ev< evaluation by app] information. STAFF - November 2£ Council has referre Hie City Engin'^r r I contacted Gordy so I can forward a soil map and re reports are recei ................................ ........... James Laurence - 1550 Sixth Avenue N Subdivision (Prelijninaiy) Page 2 // PLANNING OCf'MISSICN hlHETING - November 21, 1977 Mr. LauTcnce and ^{r. Hcrfurth were present. cSIfion'^mc^^rs prcfei-e^“‘^of^6o’'ft* roa^ Plat- Several on roads exceeding 500 ft. in length? ' conditili?™^"'’°'' Wroval of preliminary plat subject to the following (1) Approval of drainage plans by City Engineer. UJ Appro^l of easements by City Engineer. ^ ^ ccntw'Sf !rJkj easement along creek route (15 ft. to either side from It) (9) Title opinion addressed to the City and approved by City Attorney. COUNCIL MEETING - November 28, 1977 s^"^s"'rov^X“CS"of1^°S^L^ and new letter of drainage, soils and Commission was unaware of the engineer's con^nti Stated that Planningto be private outlet. ^igineer s comments when their action was made. Road ^ evaluation by a^iS^“" CTgin^r^^Tabl^d't^roe District and on-siteinformation. ^ to meeting of December 12, 1977 pending STAFF - November 29, 1977 The CiXX'r^p^rt^Sprenc^^ei "Ld?c^ Sle^roSeS!”'*''^”**'”- a soil map and report. I*m including this itLi nn ^r^^^®^.^^^®rvation District for reports are received in time for Pla^nLtciSss^n^^^&f Hank Mu City of P.O. Bo Crystal Dear Ha On rn the of the and ha\ /J t V C ■ . lat• Several ith our policy the following side fixMn »• Jice require- ainage). I soils and ^hat Planning ade. Road nd on-site 77 pending ansideration. iivision i.strict for item if :ion. 'tSaDi .McCOMBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES, INC. CONSULTING ENGINEERS ■ LANO SURVEYORS U SITE PLANNERS November 28, 1977 Hank Muhich City of Orono P.O. Box 66 Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323 Subject: Prelimin&vy Subdivision James Lawrence Property (#323) Dear Hank: On November 11, 16 and 21, I received additional information on the subject project from Gordon R. Coffin ^o., Inc. of the opinion that the proposed subdivision is not acceptable and have the following comments: 1.Access to Lots 4 and 5 appears to be through a private road extending from County Road No. 6 to the west lot lines of Lots 4 and 5. 2. of the creek. 3.A large portion of the soils in the subdivision have been 4. by lot is as follows: Lot 1: 50% Glencoe soils and the remaining 50% has slopes in excess of 12%. Lot 2:30% Glencoe soils and 50% has slopes in excess of 12%. Lot 3:40% Hamel soils and the remaining 60% has slopes in excess of 12% . 12805 OLSON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. MINNEAPOLIS. MINNESOTA 55441 TELEPHONE (612) 559-3700 22 NORTH MAIN STREET. HUTCHINSON. MINNESOTA 55350 TELEPHONE (612) 879-8029 SOUTHWEST ENGINEERING DIVISION. MARSHALL. MINNESOTA 56258 TELEPHONE (507) 532-5820 onnted on rprvcieci nancr Hank Muh November Page Two By < that he t GF:ts NC. nformation I am :ceptable L private zest lot ire based t that drains ttals, a sntire length n have been oils typically r tables. In ently ponded, ptic systems. ssified as f 12%. Again, eptic systems, eptic system ing 50% has opes in excess ng 60% has slopes 12) 559-3700 1-8029 )) 532-5820 K k. -ft .1 N I I if i^i Hank Muhich November 28, Page Two 1977 JJ.O’li Lot 4: 40% Hamel soils and 35% has slopes in excels of 12%. Lot 5 Lot 6 Lot 7 Lot 8 20% steep slopes with a small pond. 30-40%’ Hamel Soils. . 70-80% has slopes in excess of 12%. 70-80% has slopes in excess of 12%. By copying this letter to Mr. Gordon Coffin, I am requesting that he submit two copies of his November 21 submittals to you. Very truly yours. McC^MBSt^UTSON associates, INC. Gi^g FrLnk, P.E. GF:ts pfinied on lecycftd paper f7 ; V**' pV'. .. uir # i\ ni . 1 TO; I-ROM: HVfE; P I: SUBJECT: T A’ Here we are the last rer nents, but 1 The survey s It notes the to indicate area were to Although we felt it woul the variance providing a Minimum lot lot as shown ho)ve ver. Th probably be Access to Cc the curve ol situation al Unless the c I would hesi will be pro\ obtaining pi All setback was unable t setback vari PLANNING Mr. 5 ^trs. L conceptual a following CO (1) (2) (3) (4) applica No othe No acce Applica access Justificatio (1) No addi (2) Area is jmi lillliiiliiir--------- in excei^s requesting 5 to you. 3, INC. TO: I'ROM: aVl ’E: SUBJEa ’: Planning Conmission 5 Council Hank ?luluch, Zoning Administrator # Q O Q Q..J) November 2, 1977 Tlionas Lyon - 4790 North Sliore Diive Variance - Ix>t Area Here we are - back again in the Bergquist 5 Kicklund's Park AdditionI This is the last rcraining site in Block 3, 'Fhe site appears to meet the width require­ ments, but lacks adequate area. The survey suilnnitted with the application appears to have been made some time ago. It notes the markers and dimensions of the subject parcel as platted, but fails to indicate the status of the right of A-;ays as constructed. If tliis right of way area were to l>e deducted, tlie total area would be reduced quite substantially. Although we generally require a current suiv^ey with proposals such as this, I felt it would be too costly to the applicant if the application were denied. If the variance is approved, however, it sliould be contingent upon the applicant providing a current survey to verify data si^nni'^tcd and eliminate tlie guess work. l-finimum lot area requirei:>ent in this district is 43,560 sq. ft. 'Hic area of this lot as shown on the survey is approximtely 22,000 sq. ft. This is questionable, however. That area u|X)n which the right of way exists (as shown on survey) should probably be deducted from the total buildable area. Access to County Road S19 wiild also create a problem. The limited vision around the curve of County Road #19 would only add to tlie current liazardoiis Tiaffic situation along the highway. Unless the owner can provide proof of some safer means of access to the property, I would hesitate recommending approval. Several other properties on this block will be providing access to Tonka V'^iew Lane located north of these properties by obtaining private easements. All setback requirements should also be addressed. Without a survey, the app^.leant was unable to indicate a proposed location from which we could determine if any setback variances might be necessary. PLANNING COMNlISSiaN - November 21, 1977 Mr. § Mrs. Lyon were present. The Planning Comnission tabled the application with conceptual approval of the necessary area and lot width variances subject to the following conditions: (1) applicant provide certified survey of lot with proposed location of structure, (2) No other variances. (3) No access onto County Road #19. (4) Applicant provide evidence of easement or otlier acceptable assurance for safe access to property from Tonka View Lane, Justifications: (1) No additional land available (2) Area is sewered. • « f V. ■ * I '5 TO:Plan] FRai:Hank DATE:Octo SUBJECT:Geor Subc Enclosed is a c of the Kelley i for the ori gin? October 24, 19 This replat co; approved Lot 2 lot line of Lo revision in tli The new plat c 1,200 ft. in 1 ment to the ea development fc All three adjs access to Watc de-sac would ] proposed lots Drainage and i Engineer and ! and Public Wo City and desc Copies of the review and cc Attorney, Cit A public heai neeting of Nc planning CC^T' Public Hearii inore time to •«o o Q ,j) This is ih require- )ine tuTie ago. hut fails right of v;ay mtially. this, I denied. If Dpi i cant guess work. irea of this jestionable, jrvey) sliould ision around • laffic he property, this block c-.perties by the applicant ine if any lication with ject to the of structure. ance for safe ji, - ■* #»* r. IIII li'W i; t %T' *■ 1. TO: FRa-!: DME; SOBJBCT: "41- Qi>' <i.J e,JPlanning Commission 5 Council Hank >yiich, Zoning Aclninistrator October 28, 1977 George JaeVson Coi^tru^ion to. - 90 S. Willow Drive^ Subdivision (Preliminary) - tots ^ Q o, / Q4«€ EiKlosed is a copy of tho fre fOcil plat tVSSa~l“n^“ “ October 24, 1977. tlv This replat consists of a r^ision ®^^^'fc2Isis?rofm^t,g'1he_^st ^provel tot 2 of the Kelley tl^e west." Hiis will probably require a lot line of tot 2 a as it shall have been recorded, revision in tiie description of this lot as i •nA o inn ft cul"dc"Sac exceeding The new plat consists of 9 lots, a 60 to provide an additional easc- 1,200 ft. in length. The ^^i^t foV^continiuation of the road throng e Te^lopm^? tor'a^HutS^ developient to the east All three adjacent landowners are the proposed cul- J^ros^lots^t area and width requirements. Drainage and utility easements should be dete^'^^^^P°a^^/Traf£i£l. City and description of final plat to be recoroc Copies of the Pt'^posa^ ^®j^^"cr^"ater^he?hstrict^ , i_ -u ^A thp Planning Commission at theira ™.hHc hearing wUl be scheduled to be held by the Planning of tovefdier 21. 1977. at 7:30 p.m. IlCCUXJVg* ------- planning COM-USSIOI meeting - November 21. 1977FLA'N lNIINIj -------------- a AtEsP'iMcCOMBS-KNUTSON AS CONSULTING ENGlNEtRS 3 LAND SURVEYORS U SITE PLANNERS December 2, 1977 «} I 'I • i ^ I"' ■’' •'i;; 1 ■ V ... . I y:iLk2E C.; C;;0. Hank Muhich City of Orono P.O. Box 66 c:c-30-5Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323 Subiect: Review of Preliminary SLibdivision Application ^ George Jackson Construction Company •0 Dear Hank on December 1, 1977, the applicant's engineer lor and Irain^ge'p^^rs^howTnrP-^^^^^^^ eaLm^nts! laLd on our review of thlse submittals, we recommend approval of the preliminary subdivision. Very truly yours. Me(^OMBS-KNUTSON ASSOCIATES, GF;ts INC. cc:Clark Engineering Company 2815 Wayzata Boulevard Minneapolis, Minnesota 55405 12805 OLSON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. MINNEAPOLIS. MINNESOTA 55441 ■’’ELEPHONE (612) 559-3700 22 NORTH MAIN STREET. H-vrCHINSON. MINNESOTA 55350 TELEPHONE 1612) 879-8029 SOUTHWEST ENGINEERING DIVISION. MARSHALL. MINNESOTA 56258 TELEPHONE (507) 532-5820 . I .. V A* " W f V ■ V ^ is ft- [I TO:Plj FROM:llaj DA1T.:No SUBJECT: Fxl Va « Til is report iv involved are pai-cels rcsul copies of ria 11, 1977 and from the City Tlie 5ndividiiE= (1) #337-1 (2) #338 - (3) #339 - ' If the condi addressed, variance of planning C0 ‘ Reviewed th< (lake and r< to recent s for Lin say ; commerciall > JL > rri ^ .# . • I •E C.*: Ci.JiiO .ication >r )file bs. i approval TES, INC. 612) 559-3700 79 8029 07) 532-5820 i h\ r # 1 • V. • :v- Plaiinins Cornission and Council Hank ly-iich, Zoning Administrator M 6“"^ 6 ''i) fi xx c:> ?^ovcriber 14, 1977 Ed Lelunan - 2440 Carman Street Variance ~ Front Setback involved ••iro_ndjnecnt to one . 10^ nnuroved by Cmotcil. (nndosed_are from the City Engineer in regards to tins subdivision.) Tlie individual proposals are as follows: fl) f337 - Tlic proposed location for a duelliiig on Parcel B would require approval of a front yard variance of 8 ft. (2) .333 - to'k!ln^"a''?reshorrJotbaTrri:ncTrf' 25 ft. (3) #339 -Tlif^ annlication on tliis parcel consists of a conditional ^e permit for rIXi (Zodng OrdInLce Section 34.029). A conditional for a dmlex coSld be considered if the mits are sei.ered ^d ^ the Structure is within 200 ft. of adjacent commercial property. i is n^SSsal for dinlex credit is similar to the one we recenUy approt-ed for^im Lindsay of Kelly Aven'je Holding Company on Kelly .Avenue in Navarre. If the conditional use permit for a du^ex is a second addressed. Tlie proposed location of the structure woul q variance of 13 ft. and a rear yard variance of 20 ft. planning Ca^WISSION WORK SESSION - November 21, 1977 • • O • i-Iao % nmnosals Di<^cussion included zoning, density permitted, setbacks for SnSy J^^sal cSditioned on structures being located within 200- of commercially zoned district.) ^ TO;. FROM; DATE SUPJECT; m The recent of sever en the necessa the various The propert per acre) a of this or he revieved The origina rates which "both \mits • • 6' "^ - ' M c3 ^ / e throe properties are related to . (enclosed are utes of April ipies of reports require approval rcciuire approval lack variance of 1 use permit for nal use permit ed and if the erty. This ently approved y Avenue in ssue must be i front yard dtted, setbacks related proposal il of duplex credit 200* of A" M O i'n ^ J> Q, J Henry F. Mahlch, Zoning Adirinlstrator A. P. Olson, Asst. Zoning Administi-ator I>3ceriber 2, 1977 Ed Lehman - 2^40 Germ,an Street Variance - Fiont .‘Setback Ed Jehman - 24^0 Cftri::an Street Variance - Fiont and I-'=-ke Setback Sd Lehman - 24l4 and 24l6 Carr.en Street Con.ditional U.se for Hunlex Variance - Fi"ont and Rear Setback '# ^'1) n H «JOO The recent subdivision of these proj-erties did not address the reapportionment of sever end vater assessments. The current development applications piMvide the necessary information on use density to allow correct calculation of the various amounts. The properties were originally assessed for sever interceptor (area charge per acre) and lateral (front footage) which totals will not change because of this or any other redivision. Only sever unit (connection) charges must be reviewed. The original water assessments were for both residential and commercial rates which are new changed to all residential^so the vater review includes both units and footage. 3) O J Q.:i) O ri)! o O C'j m )ortlonKi?nt IS pi\)vide )n of charge jecause ^es must :lal Includes *•• V--..;- v •;: y : r >■■■■: ^ f "v.or-::: -;y ;tjK ■ J/** i ^A, Original Sever Asoessirpent Connection Units Tx)t 10 (x-arccl 2350) Tot 1 - Blk 1 1 (i-i 19Y5) 1 (pd 19-^) r. $ ^5 225 Lot 2 - Blk 1 Lot 3 - Blk 1 Tot 4 - B3.k 1 - J- 1 (ass’d 19^3) -0- r\ 225 lot 5 - Blk 1 Jjot 6 - 33k 1 Tjot 9 - Bik 1 -■ V ^0w -0- -0-_ _ __ __ Total 3 Units $ 675 Current Sever Tract A (existing) Tract B (vacant) Tract C (vacant) Tract D (existing) Lots 1, 2, 3 (existing) 1 1 1 1 2 225 225 225 225 U50 6 Units $1350 Sever Comparison Current Original 6 Units = $1350 3 Units a 675 rjot Yet ?d 3 Units = $ 6?5 Recoipjpendation Provide municipal sever connecUon ^Jract D (Inv^y^^ line and rump) vhicb will also serve tne adjacent Ed^^ property.' Colleot connection unit charge with n^iit L T-aot D?«lth each nev house on Tracts B & C. n'lnTex on lots l/?. 3 vould he charged 2 units vith p^nnU halfnced hy irLit for the 2 existing units assessed and paid. I ■» r... vi ’ '5.V. 4-. - > If % ' •> % ^2 lot 10 (parcel I^t 1 - Blk 1 lot 2 - Blk 1 lot 3 - Blk 1 Lot 4 - Blk 1 Lot 5 - Blk 1 lot 6 - Blk 1 Lot 9 - Blk 1 Total Total Paid ?5 75 «5 525 525 >25 ^50 350 N’ard’s :tion r% ^ • ssessed :,.T- t :%■' V.' lot 10 (parcel 2350) T^t 1 - Blk 1 lot 2 - Blk 1 lot 3 - Blk 1 lot 4 - Blk 1 ixjt 5 - Blk 1 Lot 6 - Blk 1 Lot 9 - Blk 1 Total m 0 ri1 nR1 tsr As 1 CoTiinorcial unit (5 ^3^0.00 3 25 Coir..Tiercial feet <5 $ 8.70 1 Fesidential unit @ $580.00 1/3 OoOTr.arcial unit 62 Coni-nercial feet 1/3 Co:r.T?rcial \init 62 Conaercial feet 1 Coiarercial \mit 62 CoiaTicrcial feet 1/3 Coianercial unit 62 Comniercial feet 1/2 Besidential unit 62 Residential feet @ $ 5.80 1/2 Residential unit 62 Residential feet 62 Residential feet 3 Commercial units 3Y3 Co:ffinercial feet 2 Residential urxits 186 Residential feet Total Paid $8093.90 - 8771.65 > $5328.25 •T ■■■' Original Remaining 1978 $ 870.00 3087.50 __530_.^ $2537.50 290.00 539.40 $ 829.1*0 290.00 539.*iO 870.00 539.40 290.00 539.40 290.00 359.^ 290.00 359.60 359.60 $ 359.60 $2610.00 3245.10 1160.00 1078.80 $8093.90 -0- $ I442.37 $ 629.iK) $ 442.37 $i4o9.4o $ 751.88 $ 829.40 $ 442.37 $ 649.60 $ 346.43 $ 649.60 $ 346.43 -0- ,^93.90 $2771*65 i .4 # i 3 •> « Tiact A Trnct B Tract C Tract D Lots 1, 2, 3 Total Note: Lot 10 i Water Comoarisi Original Current Overassessed Recommendation Some of the or" 1978 is $2771.^ which ca.n he re .40 ?3.90 -0- $ 442.37 • 4o ^ ^ • 37 .Uo $ 751-68 ).i*o $ 442.37 3.60 $ 3>*6.*»3 9.60 $ 3't6.43 -0-9.6q __ (3.90 ^771-65 L. ■I t m ! •S-’ ■V' f- f'. * ■- !>■’' Curront VJatsr Revised Remain l.ng 197^ As-scssinonts Pro-rating After Refund Tiact A 1 Residential Unit 125 Residential Feet $ 550.00 Y25.00 $1305.00 -0--0- Tract B 1 Residential Unit $ 530*00 92 Residential Feet 533*60 $1113.60 22.255^ $ 615.58 $ 331.^49 Tract C 1 Residential Unit $ 530.00 94 Residential Feet 545 •'^O $1:125.20 18.75^ $ 519.65 4 262.49 Tract D 1 Residential Unit 62 Residential Feet $ 580.00 359.60 $ 939.60 -0--0- lots 1, 2, 3 2 Residential Units 186 Residential Feet $1160.00 1078.80 $2238.80 $1636.42 $6722.20 $2771.65 $ 825.97 $1399.95 Total 6 Residential Units $3480.00 559 Residential Feet 3242.20 $6722.20 Rote: Lot 10 assessments paid 9~26-77^ Lot 9 paid 1971# leaving zero due on Tracts A & D Water Comnarison Original Current $3093.90 6722.20 Pra-rated Amt Paid $1399.95 5322.25 Overassessed $1371*70 Total Assnrb $6722.20 Recommendation Some of the original assessments, plus interest charges, have teen paid. Remaining in 1978 is $2771.65 less the "refund or credit" of $1371.70, leaving $1399*95 due on vater which can he reapportioned or collected in cash. TO: F.R'Ti: HMT.: SUIUHCT; Calvary Men. property area. Although th we general! so that par rcgulations PLANNING CO Reviea^ed pr use. yjS PiX)-rati ixg ,s After Refund -0- $ 311 *'^9 $ 2o2,k9 -0- ^ 825.97 $1399.95 due on Tracts A & D d. Remaining In >9.95 due on vater m Tf ^ / ^■ mmm1 M TO: FR'Tl: HATH: SUPxJHCr: rianning Coninission Council llnnlc ’hfuch, Zoning A'Mnistrator ?\ovcriber 16, 1977 ti 9 ^ • Calvary !icniorinl Cluirch Comlitional Use Pennit - 2420 Diur.voody Avenue O.vncrsliip Transfer Calvary’lenorial Cliurdi is consiilcrins purchasing tiie inizabeth CarcIner Sc.iTO^ property which is an existing and approved conditional use in this rcsiduitial area. Although the proposal as submitted indicates no significant change in the Ko rcnerallv rccuire anulication for transfer of existing conditional use so tl.at parties 'into ■ in the pro;.erty are made a-;are of our policies and 'regulations and proj- . d ..ses v.hich r.dglit not meet our toning ordinance. PLANNING COJ'MISSION WORK SF^SIQN - Noveinber 21, 1977 ReviCTved proposal. Proposal as submitted appears to be consistent with present use. >-‘i t # i: .Vr V ■ c I" I TO: FROM: DATE: SURJFXT: F I- 1 The enclosed shoreline, currently us The Gustafsc structure or addition wot Under our ne this is the since we adc customary pi similar prof PLANNING CQ Reviewed pr' height limi Jncr School rcsiclcMitial in the use, use permits licics and nance. with present TO: FRCM: Planning Cormission and Council Hank Miiiich, Zoning Administrator # Q A// c r • ♦ tf j • DATE:Novcml^er 16, 1977 SUBJECT: Harty Gustafson - 2515 Kelly Avenue Variance - Lakeshore Setback The enclosed survey indicates the existing location of a boat house near the shoreline. This is a masonry stiaicture with a reinforced concrete flat roof currently used as a deck. The Gustafson’s are requesting approval of a variance to erect an enclosed structure on top of this existing foundation and reinforced deck. The new addition would not increase tJie hartlcover area as it would only extend up.vard. Under our new policy tliis proposal could probably be approved by staff. However, this is the first application we’ve had regarding a lakeshore setback variance since we adopted this new policy. I felt it would be best if we followed customary procedures on this one so we might have some direction for future similar proposals. PLANNING CO>MISSION WORK StSSICN - November 21, 1977 Reviewed proposal - discussion included existing reinforced slab hardcover and height limitations. * i » 1--CUIUSubdivision%I1 Pg 3 I -f- i' { Mr, Jim Olson i based mainly on Sion District, tion systems. *; system. Seriou* The steep slopes W’ould require le marsh area. In conclusion Mi developer can as for each lot pla Ron Bastyr and J Mr. Bastyr point 2 acres of dry b of the area. Th Ifr. Braun’s repo Commission that i and filling and ( certified for 20 Planning Commissi to prepare a revi 1. 2. 3. Assurance thj Ihe revised ] The revised s ical features .4] T- y jar tlie it roof [osed i new I iiiJ.vard :. However, variance )wed future cover and 4^ 4' <4 ¥W j ijSfSr 1 f ^ - - ft i ouuciivision i Pg 3 £a;p // Sion >•opo^^^L^ni.h^'Vthe1^ ‘'•bsorption system ti" 3tcop)fot^^Cr| Co.nls- systen,. Serious problems P'-'’* -'PPorJ an on^slLt^ptTc \ / • >■;*-,- ^veloper can assure^oJe'city'tha^an*'?d*'°™"'^*^°" approve tlio proposed nl for each lot platted. and accepf^ble ^f^ -------- F^^ijAibes. T_ ^ ^ O A V ^ • Commission recommended tablinp * ■O . „v,..a p,„ ■'™>"P«'- •■» .fpor.,.,..^ ------- oj.uauue rne loUowing: cimitjr teal features of the landf sensativity of the pr^ll^e^ topogn,ph- ',•. ■ ■■*; •,-Jr''1 ■^WT v1 1 h J.;- Colpcppcr Land Cc Sul:)di vision Pg 2 STAFF - October ' rm enclosing a < from tiie Minncha] STAFF - October ! I’m enclosing a < Transportation r< STAFF - October : Engineer will ba STAFF - October Tliis proposal wi scheduled for No not be completed The City has ret (engineering fir finn is now prep Planning Commiss presentation. I have received Conservation Dis copy indicating our corrpTehensi^ Nothing from otl plan :4lng caniss Peviewed soils n that Jim Olson, STAFF - Novenibei Mr. Lilja callei of Bonestroo ani as prepared by < He wanted to lav is Jim Anderson planning cavwis Mr. Neslund, Jr tlie Col pepper L Engineer Jim 01 the proposal, it previously prep V —- f stcnis Kas 5oils Connis- soil absorp- i-site septic d as platted ‘ some of the plat until the ^ be provided 'GpOTt . re.r^nts of phical features ned the rough grading 5uld be 4- V.-; •: •■ ■• .•• pportunity *1 I:-Hv. each lot platted, at topograph- aMHWaT :' % r-. •^4 |i I! W‘ aW"f,, $ Colpcpper Land Co. (Neslund) S\i:>division Pg 2 if «3J1) STAFF - October 7, 1977 !•,„ enclosing n cony of the rei»rt on this subdivision proposal uhich I just received from tile Minnehaha Creek Watershed District. STAFF - October 12, 1977 enclosing a copy of the report I j;.t received from the State I>=parta«nt of Transportation regarding proposed subdivision. STAFF - October 14, 1977 Engineer will have review ready for Orono Staff by Tuesday October 18. 1977. S'FAFF - October 27, 1977 Tills proposal 1977^‘'^vI?ioS^re^rts aTrequested^b^^^^^ The City has retained the services of Bonostroo Rosene toderli^^ (engin^ring firm) for review and on *e proposal be'appLring before the “^?i^\&^for November 21. 1977. to mahe his presentation I have received the soils mp and report ^e'^process ofVre^ri^ on^colOTed® our conprehensive plan, ordinances and policies. Nothing from other agencies or departments as yet. PIAN:4ING Ca tllSSION MEETU^G - November 7, 1977 r" “ STAFF - November 16, 1977 as prepared by Conservation District, if soils report is legal and accepted. He wanted to know who prepared report so he is Jim Anderson - I don’t know who prepares report. Said he will be calling planning CaMvlISSICN ACTION - November 21, 1977 Mr. Neslund, Jr., Fjig. Ron Bastyr, and Mr. Braun of Braun and Associates, representing tlie Colpcpper Land Company, were present. EngiJieer Jim Olson of Bonestroo and Ass^iates reta^^ by * the proposal, made a brief report covering the hi^lights of the attacn previously prepared by him. I A I I <-r V * - v'r ,•> ' ‘ ^ p- .4^ >■- 'f Mlank MuhJ City of C Box 66 Crystal 1 RE: COU PRE1 Dear Hanl The two lowlc West sid< water she* Thi; and as s: will reqi I u; Accordin, homes in slopes g controls We roadways County s plan pri I a advise i RDH:M1M: ADMINISTRA1 CAME AND ; just received rtjnent of 1977. onunission ir»ceting Conmission will 7. ociates son from this ng before the make his lin County Soils ng one colored inflicts with 5sion was informed fiext meeting. base with Jim Olsen ting to Soils report cepted. told him ray contact calling on him. ates, representing ity to review d written report t v4-'= 1 ■ • ! Y- I" iV aF I ■ 1 irr m ,,T\f[N](?^[iS'S)Tr^ DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL m'' 13T7 1 Novfsnber 22j 1977 0l KfciiDtliu . RESOURCES • ♦ VILLP.GQ 05 0R0H3 Hank Muhlch City of Orono Box 66 Crystal Bay> MN. Metro Region Headquarters Division of Waters 1200 Warner Road 55323 jSf. ^ul'^Minr^f^S^ta RE: COLPEPPER LAND CaiPANY, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION IX // 9 Dear Hank: The parcel of land for the proposed Colpepper Subdivision contains two lowland depressions which eventually outlet to Long Lake Creek on the West side. A review of the USGS guadrangle indicates the contributing watershed is approximately one square mile. This would indicate the depressions are functioning as retention basins, and as such fulfill one of the criteria for public waters. Therci-ore, we will require a permit application for the proposed subdivision. I understand there will be problems associated with this development. grater than 187. on the site which would require special .erosion controls to prevent sedimentation into the lowlands. We recommend the proposer ^consider plan prior to development. I apologize for the delay in getting this information to you. Please advise if you have any questions. Yours Truly, C3<AyvxOJ Regional Hydrologist RDH:MIM: sb AOMINISTRATIVI StRVICiS • OAMI AND FISH • PARKS - .r.... Awn uiNFRALS • LANDS AND FORISTRt ;'"‘"fN,O.Ci«iST AND -IflD St.V.Cf i*: ' * i ii '■ ncbu oiiuiTc LkHH r ■ •k'-' 2440 Old Beach Dredging Pg 3 PLANNING Ca-MIS Representative ■ dredging. Cons< of dredging. Conmission *s gr< spoils: (1) (2) (3) (4) Short lake. Possil Respor laack c Several meirbers Conmission instr Council, Plannin (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) 24 maps of Indicate pi Specificati liquids, VC Design spec Existing an Responsibil Letter of n Public or p Mailc propo flags. Planning Commiss; Soils Conservatic also indicated sc cation. Representatives v agencies if Oronc all maps, data, a STAFF - Noveiriber Letter to Associs Institute propert jsivf;. JL3 jr'' 1977 5 05 OBOUCl rters ntains k on the uting ition basins, ‘fore, we ;’elopment • to the z are .erosion terior that the ontrol Please D fOUtSTBY ELD SCIVICE m ■‘y i i- ,4 i % nest ^snore Lara>'ctt« Bay .Association 2440 Old Beach RoadDredging ti r> n -Pg 3 rr o X : e•i . • PLANNING Ca-MISSION MEETING - Nov'cnLjer 21, 1977 Repre^ntative of dredging firm presented film on projected Mud-Cat vacuum method of dredging; Consensus of Commission appeared to be favorable toward the vacuum tvne of dredging. m CoiTiTiission*s greatest concern appeared to be relative to the proposed disposal of (1) Short distance from shorcline and effect on quality of water in lake* (2) Possible violation of our wetlands ordinance J125, (3) Responsibility of supervision. (4) I.ack of detailed data for review purposes. ^veral menbers of the Association and Land Surveyor Gordy Coffin were present The Conmission instructed the association to prepare and submit the following material so Council, Planning Commission and Staff could continue research and review; (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) 24 maps of parcel being considered for disposal. Indicate proposed location of disposal of spoils on these maps. Specifications for projected disposal operation (time schedule, volume of liquids, volume of solids). Design specifications of protective berms. Existing and proposed grades. Responsibility of supervision. Letter of no objection from fee ov^ner of proposed site. Public or private damage claim responsibility. teik proposed location of the disposal of spoils on the site with stakes and flags. Ma^ng Commission also instructed staff to forward site plan on to Hennepin County Soils Co^enration District for soils map and report (detennine wetlands). The Commission also indicated some concern with the proposed filling relative to building site classifi- CoX XCKl • Representati^s were informed that proposal would also require approval of all other STAFF - November 29, 1977 iSaLS Freshwater Biological L . ^ ’ V » t •* At , I ' ' h If * . h f‘V f Forest Arms jjubd Page 2 STAFF - November Til is pMcket was meeting. This j ago. All condit still since that Sue Dongoske has directly to Coun on A1 Olson’s me diannel. They r reconsrionda t ion, dodc rights. Fjiclosed is a co us with a plat f Soil Conservatio PLANNING C0M4ISS Reviewed plat as foriv’arded by Ccii any other data t individual parce Most of the disc Some of the Coirur shoreline of cha •I • f a. vacuum method of he vacuum type d disjx)sal of er in re present. The owing material so oview: volume of Lth stakes and Hennepin County mds). The Commission Iding site classifi- al of all other d the proposal until hwater Biological ■i: <1 I \ 1 ■» ^1. , v, JfV.1-vt; ml •' ‘i i It ■V. t iL % mmF$ ^ Forest Arms 5Kihdit*ision Page 2 I# Q O ' STAFF - Novcnher 16, 1977 nir c,:; j o This jDachet was forwarded to me by A1 on November 15, 1977, following the last Coiuicil meeting. This jubdivision was approved subject to sc:veral conditions several years ago. All conditions were not met at the time, so the development has been at a stand­ still since that time. Sue Dongoske has siibjnitted the request to proceed with development. 'Hie proposal went directly to CoiuKil. Council reviewed the proposal and addi'cssed all issues noted on A1 Olson’s memo. Council was concerned with the marsh area and previously dredged chajinel. They referred tliis issue back to the Planning Commission for review and reconsTiendation. We should address the issues of wetlands, riparian rights, dredging, dock rights. Fjiclosed is a copy of the plat from our section maps as the applicajit has not pi'ovided us with a plat for ajiy review. V'e should have a copy of the plat to forward on to the Soil Conservation District for review and reports. PLANNING CarilSSION WORK SESSION - November 21, 1977 Reviewed plat as previously approved. Discussed wetlands and riparian issue as fomvarded by Council. Staff will request copies of plat, dredging documentation and any other data that might be necessary to review the riparian status of the individual parcels. Most of the discussion was in regards to determination of length of shoreline. Some of the Commission members indicated interpretation of shoreline to include shoreline of channel if dredging was legal. )BU)|au)IIliB jj'- !l! 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