HomeMy WebLinkAbout09-11-2023 City Council Minutes MINUTES OF THE
ORONO CITY COUNCIL MEETING
September 11,2023
6:00 o'clock p.m.
ROLL CALL
The Orono City Council met on the above-mentioned date with the following members present: Mayor
Dennis Walsh, City Council Members Matt Johnson,Alisa Benson and Richard Crosby III.Absent:
Maria Veach.Representing Staff were City Attorney Soren Mattick, City Administrator/Engineer Adam
Edwards,Finance Director Ron Olson, Community Development Director Laura Oakden,and City
Planner Laura Nye.
Mayor Walsh called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.,followed by a moment of silence for the victims of
9/11 and the Pledge of Allegiance.
Mayor Walsh called on Crosby to give some facts on the number of lives lost in the Twin Towers and on
the airplanes that day. Crosby said he became a fire fighter because of 9/11,adding that one of his friends
died in the first tower.It was a tragic day but was positive in that it brought all Americans together,he
said.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
CONSENT AGENDA
1. CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 14, 2023
2. CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 28, 2023
3. COUNCIL WORK SESSION MINUTES OF AUGUST 28,2023
4. CLAIMS/BILLS
5. APPOINTMENT OF SEASONAL EMPLOYEES V6
6. APPROVAL OF NEXT WORK SESSION AGENDA
This item was pulled from the agenda.
7. TONKAWA-PARTENWOOD FORCEMAIN REPLACEMENT(22-021)- CHANGE
ORDER 1
8. LA23-000024,SARAH& KEVIN REVERING, 1960 FOX RIDGE ROAD,VARIANCE—
RESOLUTION NO.7396
9. LA23-000038,JACK EVANS JOAT INC., O/B/O JOHN"JACK"WEIST, 1920
CONCORDIA STREET,VARIANCE—RESOLUTION NO. 7397
10. ASSIGNMENT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT—CRYSTAL BAY BUSINESS
CENTER
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11. LA23-000040,SWANSON HOMES,3017 NORTH SHORE DRIVE-FINAL PLAT SWAN
BEACH—RESOLUTION NO. 7401
12. LA23-000030,RYAN ORTLIP, 4685 WEST BRANCH ROAD,REZONING—
RESOLUTION NO.7398 AND ORDINANCE NO.283,THIRD SERIES
13. LA23-000037, GAVIN TEMPERO,3260 BOHNS POINT LANE,VARIANCE—
RESOLUTION NO.7399
14. LA23-000039, 1380 REST POINT DRIVE—VARIANCES—RESOLUTION NO. 7400
Crosby moved,Johnson seconded,to approve the Agenda and the Consent Agenda with Item 6
removed.VOTE: Ayes 4,Nays 0.
6. NEXT WORK SESSION AGENDA
Benson asked about the main item for the next work session agenda.
City Administration Edwards explained it will be an update on the re-codification process of ordinances,
cleaning up statutes,terms and so forth that cities are asked to do on a regular basis.
Benson moved, Crosby seconded,to approve Item 6 Next Work Session Agenda.VOTE: Ayes 4,
Nays 0.
PRESENTATION
15. PROSECUTING ATTORNEY ANNUAL UPDATE
This item followed Item 16 until the arrival of the prosecuting attorney, Steve Tallon.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT REPORT
16. LA23-000042—4731 NORTH SHORE DRIVE—VARIANCE
City Planner Nye said the applicant is proposing to enlarge an existing deck and patio underneath the
deck within a bluff setback. The entirety of the existing deck and patio are within the bluff impact zone
and do not meet the required bluff setback of 30 feet from top of bluff. The original deck was constructed
with the home in 2013. Several variances were granted through Resolution 6206 in order to construct the
home and deck due to the location of the bluff. The proposal is to square off the corner of the deck on the
bluff side and add more to the rear of the deck on the street side which is still in the bluff setback. The
western property line is shared with the City as it is an unimproved right-of-way. The City has recently
made improvements within the right-of-way for ravine stabilization. The property currently has several
improvements that were constructed without a permit by a previous homeowner.The improvements
include a lakeside deck and large patio.These unpermitted improvements are proposed to be removed by
the applicant. The proposed project will bring the total hardcover of the site into compliance from 28.4
percent to 24.5 percent. The proposal will decrease the existing bluff setback of the deck from 10 feet to 8
feet. Due to the sensitive nature of the bluff, staff is not supportive of the proposed deck and patio
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expansion. The rules are in place to protect the bluff and prevent bluff failure,she said.While the
property is substandard in size and width,there is an existing deck and patio that allow for use and
enjoyment of the lot. On Aug. 21 the Planning Commission held a public hearing and no public
comments were made. The Commission noted the proposed project will bring the overall hardcover of the
lot into compliance and remove several unpermitted improvements within the bluff and lake yard.The
Commission thought the expansion was not unreasonable and voted 6 to 0 to approve the requested
variances as applied. The applicant is present,she said.
Benson asked about the amount of square footage that would be added to the deck.
Nye said the issue is part of the house and the deck is in the bluff setback. She said in-kind replacement
would be allowed.
Allison Houston,4731 North Shore Drive,said one of the problems with the deck is that it is very small
for the size of the home and can barely fit a table for four people. She said they were naïve about City
regulations and this is the third or fourth plan trying to bring the plan closer to compliance. She said they
would hope to use some of the existing pillars and add some new ones. The planning commission thought
it would have minimal impact.They would be removing lakeside improvements. The topography is such
there is no other place to put a deck and the lot is very steep. The deck sits on the main level of the home
off the kitchen. The patio is below.
Johnson asked about impact to the bluff to remove the improvements near the lake and the impact of
bringing in equipment to do the work.
The engineer said the bluff would be stabilized.
Benson asked about any issues of bluff failure on this bluff area in the past.
Edwards said the City had recently done a ravine stabilization project on the City right-of-way portion.
He said the applicant's lot was not on the part of the bluff where there has been problems.
Staff is recommending denial because the structure is in the bluff impact zone and they do have a deck to
enjoy the property,Nye said.
Crosby said the homeowners are doing some good things removing hardcover near the lake and he does
see a practical difficulty because of the size of the deck and believes what the applicants are asking to do
will not impact the bluff at all. He said he agrees with the Planning Commission.
Benson said the situation is tricky and there are hardships,but she is not in favor of seeing the footprint in
the bluff enlarged.
Crosby moved to approve LA23-000042 4731 North Shore Drive—Variance as presented with the
stipulation that the non-permitted structures near the lake be removed.
Johnson amended the motion to allow expansion of the deck to the rear but to not disturb the bluff
side of the deck. Crosby seconded the amended motion.VOTE: Ayes 3 Nays 1 (Benson).
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PRESENTATION
15. PROSECUTING ATTORNEY ANNUAL UPDATE(continued)
Prosecuting Attorney Steve Tallon gave his annual update stating he has been the prosecuting attorney for
eight years.He said it has been a busy year in terms of zoning issues. There's been a lot of trying to get
people into compliance. The goal is to do this in a friendly way but make people understand they can
follow the rules or they can come to the Council for a variance. It usually doesn't come to him until the
City staff has been unable to get them comply,he said. Typically,after he files a compliant they get
compliance,the case settled and they have been able to mostly avoid criminal prosecution. In the police
department it is pretty much the same old stuff,he said.The County Attorney's office is doing less
prosecution in some areas.A lot of what the County attorney turns down comes to his office.DWIs have
been about normal.Domestics seem to be down a little bit.He said the relationship with the police has
been good.He has joined another law practice so he will have some back-up.
Walsh asked about his plans to retire.
Tallon said he is 74 but has no plans to retire and will give his municipal clients a year's notice.He said
he is healthy and likes what he does. His background before becoming an attorney was as a police
officer. He said he believes in accountability but also in treating people fairly.
Walsh pointed out that Tallon does not work for the City Council and is not the City Attorney.He gets
cases directly from staff.
COMMUNMITY DEVELOPMENT REPORT
Community Development Director Oakden gave a report on building permits and revenue. She said the
City is above the number of permits issued as of this time last year and so is very busy with permits,
reviewing applications and inspections. There will be about eight items for the Planning Commission
meeting next week.Late summer is always a busy time,she said,as people try to get applications in to get
work done before winter.
FINANCE DIRECTOR REPORT
Finance Director Olson reported said the Council will be approving the preliminary budget and tax levy at
the next City Council meeting. The City's new accountant is being trained.
FIRE REPORT
Fire Chief Van Eyl reported there would be another Fire Department open house on Sept 27. The
department is processing a number of applications for fire fighters and does have six or seven applications
from Long Lake Fire that are on hold.Both Fire Departments participated in observance of 9/11 that day.
The department also trained school staff on AED use.
CITY ATTORNEY REPORT
Attorney Mattick reported the City is headed toward mediation with Long Lake regarding the lawsuit,has
selected a mediator and has a mediation session scheduled for Sept.26.
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CITY ADMINISTRATOR/ENGINEER REPORT
17. APPROVAL OF PROSECUTING ATTORNEY EXTENSION
Edwards updated the City Council,noting the approval of the prosecuting attorney's contract extension
was on the agenda. His existing extension expired in September and this extension would be through
2024. The police chief has been working with the contracted communities to put together a Joint Powers
Agreement in order to have all the cities covered by the Orono PD served by the same prosecuting
attorney.He said Farniok saw the end of 2024 to be the next opportunity to do that.
Johnson moved,Crosby seconded,to approve the Prosecuting Attorney Contract Extension.
VOTE: Ayes 4,Nays 0
On the Engineering side,Edwards said,the Fox street project is nearing completion. Glendale Drive was
milled that day.Light poles for the Navarre parking lot are on order. The public works facility under
construction is a little ahead of the overall schedule. The roof is all done as well as the majority of the
plumbing. Early April completion is still projected.
COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORT
18. FIRE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE
19. FUTURE FIRE SERVICE MEETING
Johnson reported on the fire negotiating committee and the Future Fire Services Meeting. He said some
questioned why Orono was at the table,but he said it was pointed out Orono is still part of the community
and may serve other communities with fire. Legislators were asked about funding for the services fire
departments are providing.On the negotiations side,the team got together and is still collaborating,trying
to anticipate negotiations that are ahead and find common ground.He anticipates negotiations will
continue after mediation. He said it is important to come up with an exit plan that both cities understand.
Benson asked if the assumption is that everything is on the table for the mediation session on Sept. 26.
Walsh said they can't talk about it but everything is on the table and they will be going in with an open
mind. The City has not ruled out anything,he said.
Edwards explained that the City is only allowed to have two Council members at Future Fire Services
because of bylaws, and if three or more attend there is a quorum of the Orono Council.
Walsh said Veach felt strongly that the two Council members on the negotiation committee. Veach and
Johnson, should be the ones to attend the Future Fire Services Meeting as well.
Benson said the Fire Services Meeting group formed in 2021 and that that time Orono was not interested
in participating,per Mayor Walsh. Johnson attended two times in the past several years and former
Councilmember Seals attended. Her concern is that when she was sworn in,Johnson said he did not find
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the meeting useful and would prefer that the City Administrator and Fire Chief not attend.Benson said
she took a great interest in that committee from the time she was sworn in in January and attended
meetings until the most recent one when she was advised not to attend because of the quorum issue. She
said that meeting about the future of fire services,not negotiating with Long Lake,and she has been very
public about her interest. She said she is the only person on the Council who is not on any commission or
committee regarding fire. She asked to be considered as one of the Council members who would attend
future Fire Services.
Crosby said it is an expertise thing and Johnson and Veach are in the negotiation position and should be
attending this meeting. Johnson has been involved for a long time and Veach is on the Fire Advisory
Board,he said, adding that it just makes sense.
Benson said Crosby has said before she should not be attending fire meetings because she is not
experienced in fire and she sees this as a bit of a chicken and egg thing.
Crosby said Benson is on more committees than he is.
Johnson suggested that Benson be named as an alternate to Future Fire Services in case he or Veach could
not attend,which could lead to a more permanent role.
Crosby said it is concerning to him that the one Council member who votes no on anything relating to fire
wants to be on a fire committee.
Benson said this committee is more focused on legislation,funding, and cooperation between
communities and growing relationships with surrounding cities.
Walsh moved, Crosby seconded,that the representatives to the Future Fire Services Committee be
Johnson and Veach with Benson as an alternate.VOTE: Ayes 3 Nays 1 (Benson).
PUBLIC COMMENTS
Gabriel Jabbbour, 985 Tonakawa Road, said he is very concerned that nothing has changed in the City
especially regarding finances.None of the state aid for public safety went to police,he said.It's all being
spent on a future fire department. He said the Council ran on total transparency but is now buying trucks
with an interest rate of five or six percent when the City could pass bonds with an interest rate of 3
percent. He was also concerned when the City lent the school district$1 million at 1 percent.He said the
City has four school districts within it and the Orono district has five cities in it, so Orono is taking the
burden off the other cities' residents when it does that.He asked if everything is really on the table and if
Orono strikes a deal with Long Lake,what do they tell the people who have been promised jobs?He said
he supports Crosby's right to say anything he wants to say civilly,but he shouldn't say it as a Council
member. He said he does take exception to Crosby's comments about the Nazis.
Brad Erickson,Corcoran,told Crosby he really stepped in it last week. He pointed out the Council had a
blue line flag displayed at the front. The blue line flag is not an official flag and should not be flying there
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in front of the US flag,he said.He called it disrespectful on 9/11. He said he takes discomfort in Mr.
Crosby calling him out as a Nazi.Nazis don't look like this,he said, and Nazis don't act like this. They
act like the people who were out at the capitol on January 6 and were out at the Governor's mansion. The
problem is,the City is being sued for being assholes,he said, and then Crosby calls him a Nazi. He said
he was talking about his grandparents and about his father who is still alive.He suggested Crosby try
telling him his son is a Nazi.He said he was glad Crosby's true colors are trying to come through, adding
that everyone who doesn't agree with him is a socialist or a clown or a Nazi from the dais here in Orono.
MAYOR/COUNCIL REPORT
Crosby said he never said Erickson was a Nazi;he said don't act like one.He thanked everyone for being
there that evening as it is extremely important to never forget those who lose their lives on 9/11 and their
sacrifices,he said.He thanked members of the Council for vigorous respectful discussions.
Benson said this past weekend she attended the Loretto Fun Fest. They were celebrating the 75-year
history of the Loretto Fire Department which is the year they merged with Hamel Fire to form the West
Suburban Fire District which was about two historic departments coming together. She wanted to address
the comments made about her at the Aug.28 Council meeting.A fellow Council member characterized as
irresponsible her vote against spending$2.8 million for vehicles and equipment for the Fire Department,
she said. This is a public safety matter.Each member of the Council is entitled to their vote.Commenting
on the vote of a fellow Council member is not in keeping with the rules of decorum,Benson said.. She
said the other Council member said her vote was for no reason other than her past vote on a decision
made by the Orono Council. That decision is impacting the City in real time, she said,adding the Council
can change direction at any time and not every decision is written in stone. She voted to deny because
there has not been a third-party independent evaluation done and data brought to the Council to
demonstrate that creation of a Fire Department will improve fire service;the public has not had sufficient
opportunity to be heard,and the public continues to express concerns about the fire service that will be
provided next year. The cost of the Orono Fire Department has far exceeded what this City has
historically paid for services provided by Long Lake Fire Department,she said,and the City will pay 100
percent of the costs. The direction that nearly every city around Orono is taking, is to share expenses like
costly trucks and the cost of paid-on-call fire service and they are looking at delivery of service as
collaborators, she said. This decision takes Orono further in a direction not supported by independent data
and not supported by the public.
Johnson said he would not comment on most of that but said the cost of fire would go up even if Orono
stayed in a contract with Long Lake. It is misleading,he said,to think Orono wouldn't have a major
capital expenditure with respect to fire cost. He contended if the City of Orono had been managing those
resources the community would have a different level of service. In a long-term contract that isn't a good
contract, he said the first step is to get out of the contract. Long Lake could save money by choosing to be
Orono's partner.He said is irresponsible to vote against expenses that need to be made in order to provide
fire services. Some want a third party to study the matter,he said,but Orono has an experienced Chief
and City Administrator to do that. It is a lot of money,but money the City had to spend,he said.The City
is open to any ideas and not throwing anything off the table,he said,adding that he is optimistic and that
better collaboration with Long Lake is needed as the cities are transitioning.He noted that the new Long
Lake Fire Chief has been invited on several occasions to come to Orono City Council meetings and
answer questions.He said if you are paying 85 percent of the bill the leader of that service provider
should make himself available.
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Walsh said the West Suburban Fire District was necessary for those cities because they are so small and
their merged fire department won't even be as big as Orono's.He said people should know that no one
will look out for City residents more than the City Council. He said Long Lake has made changes they
initially rejected because that is what Orono is now doing. Orono had its first home football game and
won big.Kids are back to school.Fall is coming. The Fair is over now and temperatures are starting to
drop. Trees are getting a tinge of yellow and orange. He said he had a great meeting with residents at
Hackberry Park and having that whole block for that park will be amazing. It will take time and money,
he said,but they will do it right.He ended with a quote from Rudy Giuliani regarding Sept.11.
ADJOURNMENT
Walsh moved, Crosby seconded to adjourn the meeting at 7:36 p.m. VOTE: Ayes 4,Nays 0.
ATTEST:
Anna Carlson, City Clerk Dennis Walsh,Mayor
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