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of issues to be addressed by Planning Commission and
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I an ’..Titlr.ri in regard to the proposed H«y-12 south co^r-irtor
option. 1 am a resident who lives close to the buce Line^
trail and see it as> a precious natural resource which wouii
be a great loss to the people of tnis area if rt were ciioaen
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of'prf»«?erving some of the natural setting we need to eniov
j, outdoor activities and the serenitr of nature. As a
' populace we need to think about the benefit and enjoyment of 4--^‘
i a bike ride, a tea 1 k, or a horseback ride down the trail and __ _ _
1 . f-Ii;vi;^*4-,..wha a great amenity it is to our community. It is setting .
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' troying for the sake of promoting high volume traffic- -
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We should utilize roadways already in existence as first and
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the necessary easementa and therefore^Baye the-taxpayers a
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To: City of Orono
Attention: Building and Zoning Administrate
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The attached position reflects our family's viewpoint relative to the
development of a freeway or expressway through Orono. You will not
see us at many meetings due to the time challenges we face as a
two-career couple with young children - however please don't take
our absence as an endorsement for MNDOT to proceed.
I"We continue to appreciate your receptivity to the views of the
community as you develop an overall Orono position on this difficult
issue.
Best Regards,
Stephen and Linda Whitman
3620 Eileen Street
Orono 55359
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ORONO CITIZENS CONCERNED FOR HIGHWAY 12
We bcUeve:
- Tlmt the development of a Freeway or E.Tpresswav through Ore
resulting impact over time of increased trajSic, development press________________
impact violates the Orono Comprehensive Plan adopted by the City and the goals of the
Metropolitan Council.
cno is not acceptable. The
ressures, and environmental
— ^ ad(htion, most Orono residents value the Lake and rural community setting and wish to
retain this. We did not move to this area to "burry up and get down town.” To maintain this we
are wilhng to pay the price of a lower level of service and speed through Long Lake as long as
safety concerns are dealt with.
- That viable alternatives exist for “through ” traffic from the west, fneh as^ghway 55.
Therefore, we urge:
~ Elected omcials and Hv^ 12 committees to uphold the Comprehensive Plan in e^^nm nni^tin g
Orono 8 standards to MNDOT and all H’vy 12 representatives as soon as possible. Orono's Plan
u® support development or transportation upgrades such as freeways or expresswavs. *see
the following quotes from the Comprehensive Plan:
THE BASIC GOAL OF THIS PLAN IS PRESERVATION:
Preservatioa of our resources; preservation cf our
distinct urban and rural Ufes^es; preservation of
individual initiative and responsibility.’
“Orono baa two distinct personalities: the urbanized lakeshore and the rural woods and fields. The most
significant resource, is of course, Lake Miimetorka with over 33% of its area and 40% of iti shoreline
,, , , . , 1® prcno....the rolling countryside is dotted with other li^es and
mwsnlMds, creeks, wows and steep slopes... these amenities attract a type of resident whose desires are far
dinerent from those attracted to the more crowded lakeshore.*
"Open space is to be cherished and protected.*
iwe densities consistent with environmental protection and the planned Ian
“Ifrbaniiation wll not be e^anded into the existing rural areas. Orono’s Community Management Plan is nc*
a staged growth plan and therefore the Urban Service Area will npi be expanded into the Rural Service .Area.
Urban services will nilt be expanded into the Rural Service Area.^
^ard decisions have been made to limit the extension of burdensome urban services into rural areas.
Enforcement of these polides as ^ interrelat’d package has been consistent and effective. Through it all, tli
average atizens have oeen soundly behind every such endeavor."
7^® system must reinforce the land use plan....providing sufficient capacity
for t3*ipe between Orono’s residential neighborhoods and the commercial centers of Navarre and
other lalm municipahties as well as the metropolitan area to the east of Orono, As a practical
matter, means little or no need for expansion of smy highways or roads in the city in themcass m«e or no need for expansion of stay highways or roads in the city in the
natu«....The planned rural densities do not require extensive public roadway systems nor can the^
rural densities support any type of mass transit system."
— The City of Orono to work with neighboring corrmiunities such as Long Lake to work towards
the above goals.
home and land owners to seU their property.
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RICHARD AND AMELIA KROEGER
65 STUBBS BAY ROAD
maple plain, MN 55359-9671
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February 13, 1991
City of Orono
Highway 12 Corridor Planning Coian^ssion
P.O. Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323
Dear City Planners,
since v/e will be on vacacion during the February 20 public
information meeting, we want to express our concern relative to the
pSLntial negative impact of routing the Highway 12 corridor on
portions of the Luce Line Trail (South Bypass).
We reside iust north of the proposed South Bypass and it is obvious
clearly contributes to the greater physical health and spiritual
wellbeing of all those who use it.
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Richard and Amelia Kroeger
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1^2 ^ rosiQtint Qt OroiiQ, I btrliBvt? th^t another east—west
road »rorrldor thrcuqh Orono 13 ».»nn'^cee = ary. We alread'/ have
coLinov roacjs 15 ano o* as well as hiQnway i^m wi uh sorne
“creative'* ai cernaTii ves and sareuv ^nna flow i mDroveinencs on
these three routes^ we should be anie to handle the projected
proDlejns. There are loanv nerjative effects that would
corne Lo Qur^ cominLUii cy if we ailcw a freeway/e;ipressway Liirouqn
Or'orio or surrounding areas.
1. destruction of our rural atmosphere
2. adverse e-l^fects on the environment *wet lands.
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pressures for commercial ^and land devei oonicnt s
contrary to our cur-rent standards
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Here are some ideas chat coEtld help with tiie tra-f + ic i^.nd
take a'.“ay the need ror a freewav/“aMpressway.
1. encourage tnrougn trat+ic trom the west to use
hioiiway 53 which i= already being cunsidei- ed ror-
Lipgraaihg
2. arec^s o+ hignwav 12 could be made 5 or 4 lanes or
add passing lanes
highway 101 is due to be made 4 lanes all the wav
to hwv. 55 in 1995
countv roads 19 and 92 are only two o-f a number o-f
north-south routes that could help move tra-f + ic
between hwys 12 and 55
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Orono does have the oohion to stop the continuation ai
394. MnDot has stated many times that "no build" is a choice
■for any o-f us. We have an obligation to provide safe travel
throuah Orono, but that does not have to mean tast travel. I
and many o-f my neighbors inoveo out he^■e -for the ooen spaces,
quiet, and the ability to enjov nature right out our doors.
Orono s Comprehensive Plan, as adopted by the City ano r.ne
Metropolitan Counci1, also believes in the importance ot these
things. A nc -freeway/expresswav option is available to us. I
would like to encourage vou to take a stand of preserving wnat
we have by stopping 394.
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MAPLE PLAIN, MN 55359-9671
612/476-6126
February 13, 1991
City of Orono ^ . .
Highway 12 Corridor Planning Commission
p.O. Box 66
Crystal Bay, Minnesota 55323
Dear City Planners,
Since we will be on vacation during the February 20
information meeting, we want to 12 cor^^dor onpotential negative impact of routing the Highway 12 corridor on
portions of the Luce Line Trail (South Bypass).
reside iust north of the proposed South Bypass and it is obvious
we ^erstUly would%re^ Ljor traffic elsewhere However our
nirtirtr interest is in preserving the Luce Line Trail (not to
Sede^oo^ptrk and th^ rurallike feel of the immediate Stubbs Bay
areal We realize the planning commission cannot please all the
vet are rewlsung thlt a priority emphasis be put on
Saintaining the existing Luce Line '^”il - it is
clearly contributes to the greater physical health and spiritu
wellbeing of all those who use it.
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B Y BRIO j. WIBfBERINQ
PATTI SOSKIN opened her Golden Valley restaurants October 1989 to rave reviews and
within weeks had attracted a devoted clientele —a smddcvoted clientele.
To increase the number of people who might ventue onto Interstate 394 to sample her
fare in the Colonnade building. Soskin began adverting on bdlboards. Ust suxnmer, she
rented one on the highway near downtown MinneapokTmd Patti s, it implored.
But it was too late. One month after the billboard weiup. on August 6. Patti s closed.
conm.«, cu«, “W. ..nl ou. of bu.in.« b.c.0.. » 'he t. n. .ffom. "If. .0wuiiiiiiwii vawvvi
the hiahwty," ihe ley*. "People weren't willina to put
up with traffic hastles to try i new restaurant."
At a price of S36.4 rniDion per mile, not includina
the $120 million to be spent for three parking garages
in downtown Minneapolis, the conversion of U.S.
Highway 12 from a four-lane. ilow-moving commer*
ci^ Strip into 11 miles of state-of-the-art f^way,
stretching from Interstate 494 to downtown Minneap
olis. is one of the most eipeniive highway construc
tion projecti in Minnesota history.
It has also been one of the most destructive, cutting
a swath through an established business diatrict, most
notably the ragment between state highways 169 and
100; laying waste to many businesses end property val
uer. and generating a slew of litigation. Of the con-
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actually » definitely hurt leasing efforts. It s an
uphill baibto get people out there," he says.
The Laoln Del, at the southwest corner of the in-
iersectioif lOOand 394, has closed. The Ambassador
Motel, tld)eri ne»t-door neighbor, and the Holiday
Inn in Stltauts Park, located near the ) 69 interchange
on the hj|wey, are now owned by their lenders. The
SheratonMt Place hotel, south of the highway at
Tumen Bonmads, averted foreclosure by renegoti
ating thcMna of its mortgage. .Many until businesses
hjvt cithnnoYtd or closed their doors. Properties for
mIc havatagDiihed on the market.
Most briMU owners and landlords agree that the
new highag wti needed, but few would have guessed
that the*rtruction would have such a devastatinguer. and ecnerating a slew of litigation. Of the con- that ine*rtnicnon wouio iw c »
.m^iw L. M fi .lm«. on^founh (S90.» mmon) efte.
has gone toward acquisition of land for the rud. but "We cA War Zone II. rays norpe. ^
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its officeiBaS Wtyuta Boulevard in St. Louis Park.
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Patti’s IS only one example of the carnage among the
businesses once or presently located on the new 394.
Soskin's former landlord, Trammell Crow Compeny,
it now trying to deed the Colonnede office building in
Golden Valley back to the lender, an action not totally
the T>)lWrEST Chamber of Commerce and some
larger buMSCl have begun a publicity campaign to
counter ib peraepfion that 394 it a P«tking jot
crowdedtfb heavy earth-moving machines. "We re
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lete are a lot of people from the St. Paul
«a Aho don't dare come over here." Of
Mine, MnDOT'i advertiiemenii, wmch
smed eoramuier: tc avoid the arec.
idn’t help matieri. The sdi were pulled
portly cfter they begiin in I^S6, after tr.e
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chamber and ot'nen complained to the
itate.
Although traffic volume on the road
hat returned to pre-ccnttruction laveit of
1985, buiineii hat not beeauie Highway
12 IS no longer tne same road. Wnit wai
cnce t thriving commercial strip throcph
a cer.sciy populated and heavily traveled
are; i: now a freeway ccsigned to m.ove
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people between the suburbs and down
town Minneapolis as quickly as possible-
The grade hes been elevated or lowered
at numerous iocetions, so businesses that
were easily visible from the road are now
partially or totally obscured. Eaty scces;
from numercui cross streets .nat been re
placed by a few diamond interchanges
that, for seme businesses, are as muen as a
rosarr tiroes iii'.vriOT*
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mite away.
'The whole road it going through a
tr niitioniay» Whitney Peyton, a retail
broker with Coldwell Ranker Commercial
Croup. "People uied to drive along High*
way 12 at 35 or 45 milei per hour. Now
thnean^SS."
Paul Klodt it one of the biggeit land*
lordt along 394. Mia holdings include the
Sheraton Perk Place hotel; two office
buildings west of the hotel; a small retail
center, Park Plaza, in front of the hotel:
and the land under TCI Friday'i, which it
jutt west of the Cooper theaters at $875
Waytata Boulevard (Wayzata Boulevard
being the same at 394). and Fuddrucken.
8445 Wayzata. The state has taken tome
land from each of those properties, iri*
chiding 50 parking tpzcei from the hotel.
Access to Klodft property hat been
changed more times than he can count,
and it will be permanently altered when
construction it completed.
Much of hit property, including the ho*
tel and retail center, will no longer be visi
ble from many parts of the new road,
which will be about 22 feet lower than the
old road. When the retaining walls went
up. ICJodt’s tenantt began moving out of
hit retail eenler.
The hotel hat taken the biggest hit from
the construction, Klodt says. Occupancy
and average rates are down, as it butinett
fr?m meetings and restaurant/har pa*
tront. "Tire irurket it toft and thera are
plenty of choices, so why wcuW someone
want to put up with the haute of con*
itniction,'* Klodt asks. To make up for the
lots of parking tpacei, he will have to build
a small ramp alongside the hotel.
Klodt stopped making mortgage pay
ments and nffered to turn the hotel back
to the lender. Traveler’s Insurance. It
ehote to reitegotiate the terms instead.
‘Hhit it going to cost me millions and mil*
lims ovor five years." Klodt says.
Parwin DeRosier, one of the former
partners in the Ambauador Motel, says
occupancy at his property slid steadily
from 68 percent in 1984 to 49 percent in
early 1990 as construction moved doter.
The real kick came in early 1988, when
the state look tome of Our frontage and
changed our acceti,” DeRoiitr ays. In
1989, Norwett began foreclosing on the
property. It it now suing DeRosier and hit
seven partners for $1.2 million in
guarantees.
Klodt and Norwest are just two of a
number of property owners who are try
ing to recover damages from the state.
’Thorpe has an unsettled condemnation
case, as do .MEPC American Properties.
Prudential Insurance, Jim Lupient.
Woodbridge Properties, Taco Bell, and
dozens of others. Each has received a so
bering introduction to what the state con
siders to be "compeniabl# damages ’’ for
taking a piece of land. ”The state," sayi
Klodt, "has the most ridiculous laws for
compensation."
When the stale takes a full parcel, it
must pay the owner the fair market value,
a price that would have been acceptable
to both a willing buyer and a willing teller.
In a partial taking, the state might alto be
liable for severance damages or damages
to the remaining parcel. State statute says
that for "any elimination of ezisting ac*
cess, air. view, light, or other compensable
property rights, the owner shall be com
pensated for the loss by purchase or
condemnation.”
*rhat sounds simple enough, but the
state, using court prteedent. applies a
strict interpretation of that statute. For
example, the state maintains that there's a
difference between having a view and be
ing seen. While the loss of a scenic view
might hurt a property's market value, visi
bility from the highway is not something
to which businesses are entitled, says
Sherry Entler, special assistant attorney
general. "The right to be seen from the
highway rdies on the assumption that
you have a right to a constant flow of traf
fic," shf explains. "Obviously, It would be
unreasonable to expect the state to guar
antee that."
Brad Cunn, an attorney representing a
number of landlords along 394, believes
the state’s position it unreatonsbia.
"Restsuranti and car dcalcrthipt, for
example, depend on their identity and
prominence for business," Cunn says.
"When they lose that, they lose business."
Even Leland Frankman. a land-use at
torney who has served as a court-ap
pointed commissioner to determine tak
ing awards, thinks loss of visibility should
be a compenuble item.
Temporary lost Of change of access,
even if temporiry means one year or
more, is not compensable either, Enzler
says. Permanent change of access might
be compensable, but only if the new ac
cess is deemed not reasonable or suitable
In light of the property's use. In other
words, she uys. "change of access for a
fast-food restaurant would probably wc
compensable, but it wouldn't be for an
office building."
Most significantly, in all of these cases a
property owner must prove that the value
of his or her remaining property has de
clined IS a result of the partial taking,
change in access, or loss of view. The
catch? "It has to be a decline in the market
viiue of the property, not the owner’s in
come stream," Enxler says.
$0 Thorp# Bros., which has had 18.000
SQUzre feet vacated in its office building
since construction surrounded it, cannot
be compensated for the loss in net operat
ing income, even though real estate pro
fessionals use NOI as the pnmary factor
in determining a property’s value. "Thet
vacancy Is costing me between $ 3,000 and
$4,000 a dey," Thorpe says. Enzier says,
however, thet because the markets for of
fice and hotel space ere depressed
throughout the Twin Cities, it’s impossi
ble to pinpoint the reason for a tenant
moving out.
Most takings for 394 involve small
frontage parcels. In some cases, owners
have lost perking spaces. Nevertheless,
the stite's limited interpretation of whet
is a compensable damage explains the
number of condemnation suits and the
wide variations between the values placed
on the same property by its owner and the
stele.
For ezemple, court-appointed eommis-
aioners awarded Klodt $143,700 for a
small parcel in front of the Fuddrucken
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SSrSIe wae««i "> •*•”* ^T.f"i"«l,e.».nedebog.50pe.-
- ^ aaeAM*# flit.J9.000. "Thit won t «ven cosjr my >«* ^ conitruction H*d no notirt
Kiodt MY»* ^ uu affect on theii buiincUe while 40pw*
,rd.in“b. I«. o; '«f
rh. e.iwl of Tko Bell. W20 Beni buildlnl. »»• >oiddevard. werfl awanled S71.893. le«inf or tenant renewal* it his
ly've appealed, leekina $175,0OT, an “Any tenant* that we ve loi
Mtate layi the land i* not worth more jhe 394 aria." he say*,
in $6,600. The owner* of the land un- percent of the bu»ine»*e» that
r the Super 8 Motel. iu*t «•« ®f returned the chambertco Bell, were awarded $392,189. , walk-in or dnve-by cuttoTner
ev'vt appealcti and aiked for Sl.J mil 5 dj^ j,y, ntaVe* the
jS*;?S!Vt...h.* .P^^^^ iXesentative. "A ’oj -f. "
foodbrklie Propertle*. which *aw ten- Banker’* Peyton e*timate»
,t* nee it* ^•0«i‘9Mre-foot buddini a idlVdall
J201 Wayxaia Boulevard ^“”"8. . in percent decline in bu*ine*».Ridgeda
“ ST'
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waiawaroco •ow.-w,-.............. ^Vcarrot being held out to e'** h«*l
. but .1 le.« they'll «« »n.e com- ^ „„1 KctmmodM
lit Con.ider.hly I... fonunMe before. But Peyton
"?•-------.U-. ,..a .UM., I*. ,h.t ,..ion.l. djant'l «■
count for the change* in the road. ___
•The new road will force *hV*^* ..
'"•c“Sc:5?’.™f:s.^Xi.r^h
wey^n likely increaie
$6 or $7 a *quare foot to $10 At
tho*e price*, only hlghvdume hoj^
rice tt^er*, or reitaurant* eoj»W *®
hk.^ r.«neral Mill*, for initanco.
rtion. Con*iderably It*. fo«un^
be bu»ine**e* »‘^V"*%S*’ftJkin', re»L-urant andJerr^-dit * ^ k
T Printing. Sudit had Jj®" ‘
tau Boulevard, near the Sheraton
Ptoee. for eight year* and had man-
to *uceeed through the wo»*t con-
iion. But then retaining wall* went
f*Jir llke^»«n*hody draped a cu^
over the building." Sudit *ay*. You
een't be in retail withwt
h a ^ Hr«Ak hit )ttl€ itul
in t DC m will wm.ww, —
)d a choice: Break h'* !•»»« r,--tower*, or re*taurama«w»<-----
or go out of bu*ine*<. In the *pnn|, f Qoneral MilU. for in»ta^
“Jved near ‘ha Sn uco^ull^temptedtobuy th.C^
ind WavMta. He ha* freeway aap^ for ont of it*
M.n, .nd he', cloter to o« •''h* g „ „„.ur.ntl A. for the Coo-
Jdinterchenter-Heeltoheiele*- ™*o^™
1.1,, .‘.Th.'. elo;|« .0 on. of Ih; S;«SZ"“.‘<^» Ae(or.h.Coo
idinterchenterHeeltoheiele*- ™*o^™
eonplee. i» .nnounced do.in| lu.
mote to do with the nnencul woei of ill
owner. Cineple. Odeon Coipoiition,
Sten the hithwey. The .he..« comp.ny
‘T." ™^o,k well «
hiahwav but given the ttate of the T*
1 lonj time before W •*'- u|m) 0
tower*. ‘Tm talking real long term, like
nd light now. not
willing to jpeculaie on the future _
Thorpe Bro*. ha* been marketing t^«
buildini* along 194. in addition to it* o^^m
with little *uccc»». NVhen
rell Sam Thorpe «-v*. it wa. at a .ubstan-
ttil’di*count. Clark ha* been trying to sell
the former Contemporary
im idiacenl to the Colonnade for about a
’^'mere are no buyer* who
holfl a *ite until the ‘>**77 >*
fh«'U h,« ten.n.. in pUce ro
*«t *ome income while carrying the lend.
St^ng new tenant* to 194 now ^
ally lmpo**lblc. ha »y». tnd betting that
exiiting tenant, will *tay in bu.me.* i*
" Dlilonlnn.open«la
394. ju*t we*t of 169. in March. Paul
lohnaon. regional
on. *ay» ‘he company eapteted bu»me»*
tehe *low for the fir»t couple of yA
draw we*tbound traffic, but the Iw _
ealt for ea*tbound traffic ha* ^ ‘
duced bu.ine.* by 25
ny*. Neverthcle**. he add*. "^* ***^^
that thi* will be a g^ *P0‘ ‘® he »
** SoSk^and other* were unable to wait
thaoi^^Sudit aapect* M*
Printing to be around *hw
pitted. And like mo*t bu*in«»
Cnm along former Highwar 12- h«
know* the road ‘"'P~''® J*"!.* ^"hey'd e*»ary. "1 lu*t wuh, he add*, thattn y
liven more thought to the *mall-bu*»ne^
pfrton.**
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