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Home My WebLink About06-20-1983 Planning MinutesCouncil Representative - Timothy Adams CALL TO ORDER mmAm•vi-^ PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING COUNCIL CHAMBERS 7:30 P.M. MONDAY, JUNE 20, 1983 *# 7:30 P.M.#743 Willow Properties Inc., 350 Willow Drive South - preliminary subdivision 1•vi 7:45 P.M.#750 Maurice Wagener and Cedric Dettloff Charles Street - vacation Action Items if ‘■ L*Vf •i #753 Larry W. Karkela, 4149 Highwood Road - variance Select Planning Commission member to attend Council meeting of July 11, 1983 Work Session '■> •’ y' •• ■ 4. #752 Michael Noel, 3125 Casco Circle - subdivision 5. Continuation of lots held in common ownership study Approval of Minutes “Illy •/, / - ■ Planning C Planning C •)m' I iission minutes of May 16, 1983 lission minutes of June 6, 1983 •< . *■ * . ’ /• i* • jt* 'i.m * \ . ; =• >.•; ^ A:''M '•V ‘•>1 NINUTBS op the planning commission meeting of JUNE 20, 1983 PAGE 1 • > ia 'T- i/.-K ATTENDANCE 7:30 PM WILLOW PROPERTIES 350 Willow Drive Subdivision #743 Public Hearing 7:30 - 7:45 PM (■< ’ 13' J * • :,;5J m*V-mm V': ij . ,l■.■l< ■. ..................................................................................... t- •IL r >1 ■■■ •• •■•.Ar ;:rvi The Planning Commission met on the above date. The following members were present: Acting Chairman Goetten, Kelley, Sime, Adams, McDonald. Chairman Rovegno was absent. Tim Adams was present to repre- City^Staff Council. Mabusth represented the The public hearing was open at 7:30 for the Willow Properties for a proposed subdivision. There was no one present from the audience for this application. Mabusth noted the certificate of mailing and the affidavit of publication. Mabusth reviewed with the Planning Commission the proposed 10 lot subdivision with 2 acre parcels. She noted staffs only concern was with the road, that it should be relocated further south. Mr. Cartier was present who originally purchased the property and Mr. Peterson, who is considering buying the land, was not present. Mr. Callahan abstained from discussion of the Willow Properties application because he is a trustee of that property. Sime noted that this property should be held in strict accordance with the ordinances. Kelley asked why the Planning Commission was even reviewing this application now if Mr. Peterson doesn* t even own the property? Kelley moved to table the Willow Properties application until the sale of the land has been completed and the Hennepin County Highway Department has had a chance to review it. M sime seconded. Vote: Ayes (5), Nays (0). W3 m C*. I* ' -Afri V 7'-^ f ^INUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 20, 1983 4p MAURICE WAGENER & CEDRIC DETTLOFP Charles Street Vacation #750 Public Hearing 7:45 - 8:15 PM j Page 2 ■-Mitsui - . ® represent the Woodhill Country Club, application Present from the audience for this ^®ftificate of mailing and the publication. Mabusth stated that she but hfn by the Wageners and the Dettlof fs cinh^^ 'writing from the Woodhill Country Club . Mabusth noted that the actual vacation would begin at the southern line of Lyman and go down to the northern right of way line of Woodhill. Mabusth noted that she had received a call from a Tracy Whitehead, who had no problem with the un?t.” additional that the purpose was not for a new subdivision. He noted that the Dettloffs had joined if Wageners in the petition for the vacationor Charles Street. Susan Emwell, Woodhlll's representative, noted the two concerns Woodhill has: ® 1. Woodhill is leary that it might provide an additional building site. Woodhill doesn't want that additional 33' used for additional development. 2. Would the City consider: IE you vacate the 33' would you be willing, in the event that Woodhill wanted the develope that area in the future, would the City consider waiving the 66' street requirement to 33' which is all they need now for Street purposes for that development? Ms. Emwell stated that the Woodhill's Board of ® chance to review this request Planning Commission table the application until Woodhill's trustees had a chance to meet. She stated that as soon as the trustees Wageners application that they would notify the ■; ;n ene Bmw Cl r t id It :lo »un wo to ror th io a I oir at d t n •t nal e 3 ihi i#OU V f d iue e t ce ste / t lUTi Mala wm alala apr«[altra h^lala ^rh-i^;vvwm:m ■■’■■.'■■a ■ T'- t ■■•■:•■■ ■ •'■• y '■: ■'■: ■ *mm m00yrm 't&M WlMi yyym0i \ik:m-7-^0:mm07'- pw^l'ip;; ■: ^ ^ 0::070\:77 7 • V:• ^-'M0y0777f00yy70y i ' , •' ; , iii^. - u" I'-’/lv;?:.0;m470: ifci-:.; ,.-A-'am r-^yy'■■.rn-^i- .l-J.' ymymm w--' ■y V, \ :; :s-' alala alira alala I ^10ar«^ Lalilara^ alira •i^ala Lalllaral [air#alalal alala [•lira lal^ala aHa aTaTa alala •«i1a^ ^^PVai Mala [aTala MfTar^ Mala a^Ha aTiral [aHa w MIKUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 20, 1983 Page 4 L the n and ould erty I may ated king [>uld past «ere lild off WILLOW PROPERTIES CONT. '-■ft ■*r •Xu Vfc. ■! ■ * . • 1- •r'.•'s r • • •. ■ •• • . • •> • r;» that they had tabled his application until the ownership of the land could be resolved* • Peterson stated that there was a time concern to consider* He noted that he had two parade homes awaiting to^ be moved onto the property* He stated that by moving the lot lines he would have to remove several large trees* Mabusth noted once again that the ownership had to be resolved before the City could pursue this application further* Callahan noted that he is only one of the trustees of this property and that the other trustee lives out of state; therefore, he doesn't have the final say in the sale of the property* Kelley moved to approve the 10 lot plat subdivision application of Willow Properties, Inc* finding that all RR—IB zoning lot standards and the one site septic code are satisfied* Approval is subject to the following conditions: 1* '■%- 4. Road be relocated further south along Lot 1 in order to increase the north/south scale of the building envelope by 30 feet* Road to be private and paved — Upon approval of the Council, applicant must submit engineered plans for road, lot grading plans, erosion plans, all plans to be approved by City Engineer prior to construction. Wetlands to be designated as drainage easements and described with angles and bearings* City to require flowage and conservation easement over all wetlands areas* City will acquire underlying road and utility easements over road outlot. Applicant to enter into standard maintenance agreement to insure upkeep and maintenance of private road* 5. 200.00 6. Park Fee is determined as follows: Lots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9 and 10 at $ for a total of $1,600*00 Lots 6 and 7 at $100*00 each for a total of $ 200.00 Applicant to pay $1,800.00 park fees* Developer to keep all traffic, fill excavation, etc. away from the tested drainfield sites. In some cases where road construction will be near the tested sites, extra caution must be taken. y: V..*MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 20, 1983 ti: i ' i'.K WILLOW PROPERTIES CONT. LARRY KARKELA 4149 Highwood Rdad Variance #753 ■Mi ■M : .; UV * - FV - ' - >ir/TK Page 5 7. Resolution of 7 acre parcel prior to staff scheduled preliminary approval of Council meeting. 8.City to hear from Hennepin County Department prior to Council meeting. Highway Sime Seconded. Vote: Ayes (5), Nays (0). Callahan returned to the Planning Commission's review. Larry Karkela was present. Mabusth noted the severe hardcover problem already on the property. She encouraged the applicant to make a turnaround on the site because of the hazardous conditions of backing out onto Highwood Road. Applicant asked why the deck on the second floor of the garage would be considered hardcover? Kelley asked why Mr. Karkela wanted a deck on the second floor of a garage?rn<my Mr. Karkela explained that he wanted to have an office up in the second floor of the garage. He explained that he also needed more space for storage area. Goetten asked why he needed a second floor on a proposed garage that is already very large (28 x 24)? Karkela explained that he is eliminating 900 sf of garage storage on another parcel of land and wishes to move these items onto the Highwood property. Goetten noted that the size of the lot itself was very small and that the applicant would have to make some tradeoffs to compensate for the severe hardcover problem already on the property. Goetten asked the applicant if he would have enough room if the garage was cut down to 24* x 24*? Applicant stated that wouldn't be enough room for the storage of all his miscellaneous items. Kelley noted that he didn't have a problem with the size of the garage but stated that they should concentrate on the hardcover problem. Goetten asked about the shed down by the lake? Mr. Karkela explained that the shed was a fish house. II MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 20, 1983 Page 6 KARKELA CONT. ■■ km *%- t r;a^‘^v:. m ■. ' . • •■•r; ■ •. ••■• - ' ::..yX O Mabusth noted that the fishhouse wasn't calculated into the hardcover calculations and that staff would look into the problem. Mabusth asked the applicant if he would have a problem with a garage the size of 24* x 26'? Karkela stated that this would be reasonable. Goetten notid that the main concern of the Plannin, Commission was not the size of the garage, but cm total hardcover that would be added onto the property. She noted that the applicant would have to reduce some of the paving on the property. Callahan asked the Planning Commission what the justification for the additional hardcover proposed because the applicant wanted an office with a deck. Lynn Adams asked what type of business the applicant was in? Karkela stated that he invests in real estate and that in the past he has tried to work out of the home. Goetten noted that this was then a home occupation use for the proposed garage. Mabusth informed the applicant that this was a single family residential area and businesses may only be operated from the main dwelling with a special permit. Goetten performed a Planning Commission poll as to how each member felt about this application. Kelley noted that the big issue was the severe increase in hardcover and the size of the garage should be 24* x 24', because of the hardcover problem. Adams was in favor of a garage the size of 24' x 26* and had no problem with the deck as long as there was a tradeoff with the other hardcover on the property. Callahan stated that the applicant had good intentions by moving the old garage out of the right of way and that 24* X 26' would be fine. McDonald agreed with Lynn Adams on a 24* x 26' garage and had no problem with the deck on the second floor. Sime had reservations about creating office space above a garage. He noted that this could turn into a guest house in the future and that they could be creating a future problem. Vi 1 JSaa MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 20, 1983 Page 7 » JL- L O KARKELA CONT.Mabusth stated that the City had ways of controlling the future guest house use by not allowing any internal plumbing• Goetten stated that 24* x 26* would be fine but had problems with the deck. She noted that there should be some kind of tradeoff and that she was concerned with the possible use of this as a guest house in the future. She stated that the applicant should be aware that no future hardcover variances would be allowed. ^ Ot; . Lynn Adams moved to approve setback variances and an increase of 196 sf or 3% of additional hardcover to permit the construction of a 24* x 26* detached garage for Larry Karkela based on the following hardships and findings: The lot is 10* narrower along the street side than along the shoreline. 1. 2.Reduce hardcover by approving substandard setbacks. ’ ■ - 3. r.'-i ■■ • r-v" 0. Consistent with existing surrounding properties. improvements on ; > 'V ■ ^ ;;4.The location of improvements on lot with shared access. 5. Topography - severe slope. Approval is based on the following conditions: 1.Garage must be located 3 feet from the interior/ side lot line and 4 feet from the street right of way. 2.New structure will not be permitted to have interior plumbing. 3. Doors must face away from the street. 4. Structure may never be used ^second residence and will ^Hnternal plumbing. as a guest house/ not be permitted 5. No future hardcover variances shall be granted to this severely limited property. 6. Applicant must make a tradeofi: of hardcover to be gHH^. approved by staff or a total of 9% increase in hardcover. McDonald seconded. Vote: Ayes (6), Nays (0). -r^ to iibiiiita ling »rnal : had lould rrned 1 the iware wed. id an (f to irage 5 and ide on ared use/ tted id to 10 be e in ■ i»• ior/ It of have PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OP JUNE 20, 1983 Page 8 ele m. :v-;•• • v-c.v • • V..: -/-. =-.‘- vV ,fV-, :V, ■ ■ ••'Sf v; .vr'#; ijii ! i^V : >.: ■., -:;^::V•. - -V •V : -A ,OTS • • ft d • K »1 ^ 11 * SION TO lUTES R»V' •■ :-l0.. .: - h'- Lynn Adams left the Planning Commission meeting at 9:15 PM. Mr. and Mrs. Noel were present. Goetcfcn noted that the railroad ties extended over the lot line. Sime noted that by moving the lot lines the applicant was losing a lot of beauty. Kelley noted the hardcover with the tennis court. Mabusth stated that there would be a hardcover calculation done for the public hearing. ^ McDonald noted that the applicant would need a variance right away for the tennis court because there was no principal structure on that lot. Kelley warned the applicant of any additional hardcover in the future. Mabusth stated that the property was already close to the maximum amount of hardcover allowed. Applicant noted that the existing driveway would be removed and that the second house would be located behind the tennis courts. A public hearing was set for July 18, 1983. No action was required. m Sime noted that the Council would review “the properties by going on a bus tour before reaching a decision or continuing discussion. V-'-; Goetten volunteered to attend the Council meeting of July 11, 1983. Kelley moved to approve the Planning Commission's special work session minutes of June 6, 1983, with no corrections. ^ Sime seconded. Vote: Ayes (5), Nays (0) . 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