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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MONDAY, MARCH 18, 1985 7:30 P.M.
1275 BROWN ROAD SOUTH - COUNCIL CHAMBERS
OOUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE - Jim Grabek
SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARINGS
1. 7:30 p.m. #894 T.M. Crosby, 745 Spring Hill Road -
Subdivision of Lot Line Rearrangement - Class I
2. 7:45 p.m. #895 T.M. Crosby, 1240 & 1260 Bracketts Point Road
Subdivision of Lot Line Rearrangement - Class 1
3. 8:00 p.m. #896 James N. Anderson, 2300 Fox Street -
Preliminary Subdivision - Class II
4. 8:15 p.m. #897 Janet & Chuck Peterson, 825 Old Long Lake Road
Preliminary Subdivision - Class II
ACTION ITEMS
5. #876 Randy Asplund, 3424-3444 Eastlake Street -
Variance
6. #889 Eugene Nelson, Big Island Record Lots 16 & 22 -
Subdivision of a Lot Line Rearrangement
7. #900 James W. Ogland, Big Island Lots 25 & 26 Morse Is’and Park
After-the-Fact Variance - Public Hearing
8, #901 Karl F. Johnson, 3393 Crystal Bay Road -
Variance - Public Hearing
9. #898 Leroy Koehnen, 3360 Shoreline Drive -
Commercial Site Plan Review
SKETCH PLAN REVIEW
10. #899 Paul Phillips, 2160 Sixth Avenue North
Sketch Plan Review
ADDITIONAL ITEMS
11. Planning Commission approval of February 19, 1985 ..inutes.
12. Planning Commission to select representative to attend the
April 8, 1985 Council meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
MINUTES OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 1
ATTENDANCE 7:30 PM
*394 T.M. CROSBY
745 SPRING HILL ROAD
SUBDIVISION OP LOT
LINE REARRANGEMENT
CLASS I
PUBLIC HEARING
7:30 - 7:40 PM
The Orono Planning Commission met on the above date
with the following members present; Chairman
Callahan, Kelley, Goetten, Rovegno, McDonald and
Taylor. Sime was absent. Zoning Administrator
Mabusth, Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron and
Recorder Naab represented the City staff. Council
Representative Grabek was absent.
T.M. Crosby was present. Assistant Zoning
Administrator Gaffron noted the certificate of
mailing and the affidavit of publication. There was
no one present from the public for this application.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron explained
Exhibits F1-F3. FI being the existing property
boundaries, F3 being the desired end point by split
ting the lots so t: 3 caretaker house is on a separate
parcel with approximately 8 acres of dry land. The
main house being on a separate parcel. F2 showing
the way this can be done by rearranging lot lines.
Mr. Crosby stated that the smaller parcel shown on
the map will be given to the Winstcns (who own
property to the south) which will square off their
property.
Rovegno clarified that Pa r ce Is A, Dand Cwill be one
lot of record. Parcel B wi 11 be one lot of record.
Gaffron clarified part of what is shown as designated
wetlands is part of meandered lakeshore and therefore
owned by the State of Minnesota. There is no point
in requiring dedication since it is already
essentially dedicated.
Rovegno questioned why dedication of roadway was not
requested at this time since there are three houses
involved.
Goetten stated that this could be added in the
resolution that any further subdivision of any of the
involved parcels would at that point be required to
dedicate roadways.
MINUTES OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 2
«894 T.M. CROSBY Goetten moved, Kelley seconded, to recommend approval
of the preliminary subdivision of lot line rearrange
ment for T.M. Cror.by on Spring Hill Road subject to
the following conditions:
1. Reviue survey to show parcels per staff
recommendation in Exhibit F-2.
2. The appropriate access easements to be granted to
the appropriate properties.
3. Combination of Parcels A, C and D.
4. Flowage & Conservation Easement over Parcel A.
5. Dedication of platted road would be subject to
any future subdivision.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron explained the
process to Mr. Crosby. Item 4 wi 11 require a Flowage
& Conservation Easement over the wetlands area of
Parcel A which would mean a required description of
the boundaries of the wetlands. Item 5 is saying at a
future time when that property is platted down to its
most intense zoning use, we would require a dedica
tion of the existing roadways.
Motion, Ayer (6), Nays (0).
#895 T.M. CROSBY
1240 A 1260 BRACKETTS POINT ROAD
SUBDIVISION OP LOT
LINE REARRANGEMENT - CLASS I
PUBLIC HEARING
7:45 - 7:58 PM T.M. Crosby was present. Assistant Zoning
Administrator Gaffron noted the certificate of
mailing and the affidavit of publication. There was
no o'e present from the public for this application.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron noted this
application is a lot line rearrangement. There are
two parcels involved, one with an existing house on
approximately .92 acre and adjacent properties total
ing 2.01 acres. The request is to make the smaller
property a little larger and the larger property a
little smaller. The properties are relatively low,
in most places the ground is less than 5 feet above
lake level. Soil testing has been done on the south
erly end of the Pi 1Isbury property where they would
need a specially designed mound septic system to make
this buildable. It would fit within the setback
requirements and would meet the City's codes.
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MINUTES OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 3
«895 T.M. CROSBY Mr. Crosby explained they wish to acquire additional
property because their lot is very small and the
added property would be used for a dock and
protection.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron asked for
Zoning Administrator Mabusth's comments on taking a
lot of over 2 acres (in a 2 acre zone) and breaking
it down to a smaller lot and making the adjacent lot
larger, thus making two substandard lots.
Zoning Adminisrator Mabusth explained this is an
acceptable procedure as long as no harm is done to
the original lot that you are taking land from, and
if you are improving a substandard condition. There
would be no new lot created or an unbuildable lot in
an unsewered area. The septic testing has been done
and found to meet all rural standards. Thus if you
are assured you have a buildable lot you may
rearrange lot lines to improve tne substandard lots.
Goetten stated )ier concern that by doing this you
would be in a sense granting a variance on the newly
created substandard lot.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth stated that the fact
remains that you arc improving a smaller lot building
envelope and still not making the larger lot non-
buildable.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron explained that
the floodplain area on the Pillsbury lot below 931.5
can't be filled or excavated without Council
approval. Further study should be done on this area
to tell if filling would be a problem. If a house is
proposed to be built in this area, (encroaching on
the floodplain), then a review wou Id have to be done.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that by
approving this lot line rearrangement you are pushing
the building envelope on the Pillsbury lot further
south, thus encroaching onto the floodplain. For
future building a conditional use permit or variance
would be needed.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth stated that the DNR
would have to approve any fill within the floodplain.
Chairman Callahan reviewed the point that since you
are taking away the highland on the Pillsbury lot,
you are essentially forcing the future house to build
in the floodplviin, whereas if the land were left as
it is there would be no problem.
MINUTES OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 4
1895 T.M. CROSBY Chairman Callahan moved, Taylor seconded, to table
the application for a subdivision of a lot line
rearrangement for T.M. Crosby at 1240-1260 Brackett's
Point Road until the April 15th meeting so Mr.
Pillsbur> can be made aware of the future building
conditions.
1896 JAMES N. ANDERSON
2300 POX STREET
PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION
CLASS II
PUBLIC HEARING
8:04 - 8:15 PM The two owners involved, Jim Anderson of 1900 Harbor
Lane, Plymouth and Bill Leverin-^ of 2500 Woodhaven
Drive wei.e present. Assistant Zoning Administrator
Gaffron noted the certificate of mailing and the
affidavit of publication. There was no one present
from the public.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that
this is a request for a two lot subdivision, existing
width of the property is 365'. Required lot width in
a 2 acre zone is 200', obviously without doing odd
gerrymandering you won't get 200' for both properties
but there would be no great benefit from doing this.
Mr. Anderson noted that there is no other adjacent
property to acquire. He also stated that this is the
best way to subdivide because of the north section of
the lot being wetlands area. Also, the land slopes
from the front to the back of the lot.
Taylor asked for clarification of further subdivision
of the property in question.
Mr. Anderson stated that there is already an easement
over the wetlands from the original subdivision.
Callahan expressed concern about 2 driveways coming
out onto roadway.
Mr. Anderson stated that the intention is to have one
private driveway for both properties.
Rovegno stated that this should be incorporated with
in the resolution.
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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 5
1896 JAMES ANDERSON Rovegno moved, Tnylor ceconded, to recommend approval
of the preliminary subdivision for James N. Anderson
at property located at 2300 Fox Street subject to the
following conditions;
1. Staff approval of the septic system testing
information.
2. Staff review and approval of the driveway access
location.
3. Plowage & Conservation Easement over the
designated wetland areas.
4. Standard drainage and utility easements.
5. Park fee in the amount of $200.00 for each new
lot.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nays (0).
«897 JANET t CHUCK PETERSON
825 OLD LONG LAKE ROAD
PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION
CLASS II
PUBLIC HEARING
8:36 - 8:41 PM Ward Krueger was present to represent the applicants.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron noted the
certificate of mailing and the affidavit of publica
tion. There was no one present from the public.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that
this application is a subdivision of approxi.aately a
4.4 acre parcel, excluding roadways. Thus making two
lots of approximately 2.2 acres. The topography of
this property makes this subdivision a logical
division.
Kelley noted that the houses would have to build
behind the 200' lot width line. Kelley also ques
tioned how many driveways would be incorporated.
Mr. Krueger stated that two driveways would bo
inplemented.
Kelley moved, Goetten seconded, to recommend approval
of preliminary subdivision for Chuck & Janet Peterson
for property located at 825 Old Long Lake Road sub
ject to the following conditions;
1. Septic testing approval for both the new lot and
an alternate site for the existing house.
NINUTBS OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 6
#897 CHUCK ft JANET PETERSON
2. Inspection and approval of the existing septic
system for the existing house.
3. City Engineer/Public Works Director review of the
access locations.
4. Applicant to execute proper drainage and utility
easements.
5. Deaication of roadway on the plat if not excluded
in the legal description.
6. Standard park dedication fee of $200.00 for the
new lot.
7. Building envelope be at 200' wide or greater at
the new building site.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
#876 RANDY ASPLUND
3424-3444 BASTLAKB STREET
VARIANCE Randy Asplund was not present,
neighbors were present:
The foil owing
Esther Addison of 3382 Bayside Road
Barbara Huber of 3390 Bayside Retd
Kathe Jukisk of 3280 Bayside Road
Rovegno moved, Goetten seconded, to recommend denial
of the variance applications of Randy Asplund for the
fence and the concrete patios within 75' of the
lakeshore based on the fact that the applicant has
demonstrated no hardship for basis of approval of the
variance as was recommended at January 21, 1985
meeting.
Chairman Callahan stated that this matter has come up
=»qain because the applicant had requested it because
he couldn't make the previous meetings, therefore,
even in his absence this matter wil 1 be acted upon.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
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MINUTES OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 7
•889 EUGENE NELSON
BIG ISLAND RECORD LOTS 16 6 22
SUBDIVISION OP A LOT
LINE REARRANGEMENT Jay T. Smedberg was present. There was no one pre
sent from the public for this application.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that
this matter had been before the Planning Comm.'ssion
previously. There has been more research done to
find out exactly what the property rights are for Big
Island. This application is a proposal to divide the
long lakeshore strip into two pieces, one that would
be combined with Record Lot No. 22, one that would be
combined with Lot 6, 7 and 8 and Lot C into Record
Lot 16 and that does exist in the zoning code as
Record Lot 16. The question was brought up last time
was why is Lot C included with Record Lot 16, CJrn it
be or why can't i t be a separate lot? Gaffron stated
that in Section 10.31 of the code it specifically
deals with future happenings on Record Lots, so that
when a single party becomes owner of adjacent parcels
of land they become, from a zoning definition stand
point, a Single Record Lot, and that definition does
include parcels that are separated by a platted un
developed right-of-way.
Rovegno noted that the lot in question is not a
record lot of anything.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that
there is a mistake in the code, which should be
corrected.
Mr. Smedberg stated that the only request on his
application was getting a separate tax number for the
two pieces of land which are recorded as separate
torrens property.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that he
agrees that approval of the divisions appropriate,
and delete the condition that Lot C combined as part
of this division. He noted that for about half of
the Big Island record lots. Resolutions have never
been completed, dating back to 1983. He felt that if
we give the applicants 6 months to resolve the paper
work for the automatic variances, if within 6 months
this has not been completed they would loose the
benefit of the automatic variance and would have to
come in for a variance with the standard fees and
possibly not be granted the variance.
MINDTBS OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 8
1889 EUGENE NELSON Callahan moved, Kelley seconded, to recommend
approval of the subdivision for Eugene Nelson for
property located on Big Island, Record Lots 16 and
22, as it is requested subject to the following
conditions :
1. Parcel D must be combined with Lots 6, 7 and 8.
2. Parcel A must be combined with Lots 9, 10 and 11.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that
the reason the parcels must be combined in this
manner is that the City will never allow a
subdivision to create a new piece of land that is
unbuildable where there is adjacent property in com
mon ownership that it is an integral part of. There
fore, a combination would be required.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
1900 JAMES W. OGLAND
RECORD LOT NO. 38 - BIG ISLAND
VARIANCE - AFTER THE PACT
PUBLIC HEARING
8:42 - 8:48 PM James Ogland was present. Assistant Zoning
Administrator Gaffron noted the certificate of
mailing and the affidavit of publication. There was
no one present from the public for this application.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that
Mr. Ogland is planning to build on his property. Big
Island - Lots 25 & 26 Morse Island Park, and in
reviewing the file it came to staff's attention that
an illegal deck and small building had been
constructed on the lakeshore sometime between the
Summer of 1982 and September of 1983. (Gaffron pre
sented teh Planning Commission with photographs of
the decking and shed, originals in Big Island file.
Lot 38.) Gaffron stated these structures were built
without permits. Gaffron noted that Mr. Ogland was
requested to bring this matter in as an after-the-
fact variance application or that he tear it down.
Mr. Ogland stated that one reason the decking was
built was that the shoreline is very steep and muddy.
Mr. Ogland noted that he had tried to plant grass but
the property faces east and nothing would grow. Mr.
Ogland did mention that there is a sand/dirt base
under the deck, thus should not be considered hard
cover.
Rovegno noted that in other cases where there has
been a problem with a steep shoreline, the City has
approved lock boxes.
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MINUTES OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 9
#900 JAMES H. OGLAND
1901 KARL P. JOHNSON
3393 CRYSTAL BAY ROAD
VARIANCE
PUBLIC HEARING
8:55 - 10:02 PM
McDonald mentioned that the applicant did not do any
grading or remove any vegetation and kept the land as
natural as possible.
Kelley moved, Taylor seconded, to recommend approval
for an after-the-fact variance for James W. Ogland
for property located on Big Island, Record Lot 38
based on the following findings and conditions;
1. The applicant has shown a hardship to exist.
2. The applicant has not removed any vegetation.
3. The applicant be put on notice that no further
development of hardcover in the 0-75' setback.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
Sherri Si Karl Johnson were present. Zoning
Administrator Mabusth noted the certificate of
mailing and the affidavit of publication. The
following neighbors were present:
Greg Long of 3359 Crystal Bay Road
John Kust of 3355 Crystal Bay Road
Aline Ogland of 3345 Crystal Bay Road
Jay B. & Beverly J. Keiser of 3375 Crystal Bay Road
Jerry wheeler of 3399 Crystal Bay Road
Chairman Callahan read the petitions from the Plan
ning Commission packet opposing the storage
ordinance. The following signed such petition, which
were submitted to staff and will be kept on file
inthe zoning file #901;
Mr. & Mrs. Geo. A. Moss of 3335 Crystal Bay Road
Richard Siakel of 3325 Crystal Bay Road
Dick & Donna Carl of 3385 Crystal Bay Read
Eunice & Bob Nichols of 3407 Crystal Bay Road
Joseph R. I.ofrand of 3365 Crystal Bay Road
Karl F. Johnson of 3393 Crystal Bay Road
Jay B. & Beverly J. Keiser of 3375 Crystal Bay Road
Greg & Pam Long of 3359 Crystal Bay Road
Dirie Leo Weeks of 3329 Crystal Bay Road
Chairman Callahan read a letter, enclosed in the
Planning Commission packet, from Dick & Donna Carl
opposing the boat storage ordinance.
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NINUTBS OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 10
#901 KARL P. JOHNSON Chairman Callahan then read a letter from Jerry
Wheeler enclosed in the Planning Commission packet
opposing the storage of Johnson’s boat and the way
City staff enforces the ordinances. Callahan read
another letter sumbitted by Wheeler (attached to
these minutes. Exhibit A) which express his opinion
regarding Johnson's variance request and the way
s-.aff and Council have dealt with this matter.
Callahan read a letter written by Planning Commission
member. Bill Sime, asking the Planning Commission to
enforce the ordinances an deny Johnson's variance
<letter attached to minutes. Exhibit B).
Crystal Bay Road residents submitted a petition
agreeing not to restrict any type or size of boat,
nehicle and/or trailer within the confines of their
property (original petition attached to minutes.
Exhibit C).
Kelley noted that the diagram provided by a neigh
boring property owner seems to indicate tnat the
retaining wall is within the 75' setback.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth stated that Karl Johnson
did a sketch and the area calculations were done from
a boundary survey done by Mark Gronberg a year ago.
There is no certification of the 75' setback. Staff
went out and took the tape and determined where the
75' setback area was. Planning Commission may require
at this point that the 75 feet setback line be
certified by surveyor.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth clarified the events
surrounded by Sandra George application. The City
staff went out to tag Mr. Johnson for excavation and
found out the City was responsible for the moving of
the dirt. Mr. Johnson had been given a stop work
order back in 1982 for filling along the lakeshore.
The fill was taken from a bank along the west side of
the house. At that time staff advised Mr. Johnson
to put in retaining walls to stop the erosion
problem.
Mr. Johnson noted that he had come home one day and
the City had put in rip rap along the lakeshore.
Chairman Callahan stated according to staff's review
the applicant has placed gravel over approximately
440 square feet of an area located within 75' of the
lake.
MlNUTBS OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 10, 1985. PAGE 11
#901 KARL P. JOHNSON Mr. Johnson commented that he feels that he has
graveled less that 200' because there was a driveway
already on the area in question. Therefore he feels
that he hasn't added any hardcover that wasn 't
already there.
Mr. Wheeler disputed that there was never a graveled
driveway and submitted pictures to the Planning
Commission showing no gravel take' about 2 years ago
(pictures to be kept in zoning file #901).
Chairman Callahan clarified that the applicant
feels that he did not add hardcover because the
driveway had already existed, from 30' back from the
road to the retaining wall the applicant did excavate
and put gravel where none was before.
Kelley questioned whether the gravel is considered
hardcover if it is driven on.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth noted that the applicant
claims this gravel is used for landscaping and
erosion problems. Mabusth stated that there is a
difference between gravel used as a base for a drive
way and gravel used in landscaping.
Chairman Callahan suggested the Commission deal with
this application in two separate parts. First the
hardcover issue; part of the retaining wall is within
the 75' setback area and it is within the 10'
setback. However, the retaining wall was put in at
the specific instruction of the staff.
Rovegno moved, Kelley sf-conded, to recommend denial
of a hardcover variance for Karl F. Johnson at 3393
Crystal Bay Road. Recommend removal of all gravel
hardcover within the 0-75' setback area that was
added in recent times based on the fol lowing
findings:
1. Based on the evidence submitted and the pictures
it appears that as of about 1982-83 there was no
driveway serving the George house coming across that
area.
2. This gravel is hardcover, it looks like driveway
aggregate base.
3. Installed without a hardcover variance.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
MINUTES OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 12
1901 KARL P. JOHNSON Rovegno stated that the next matter should be the 75'
to 250' setback area. Presumably there is
approximately 317* of hardcover in this area. If
there is an excess of hardcover in this area, then
whatever portion of th*. gravel area within th 75' to
250' setback area be removed.
Rovegno moved, Callahan seconded, that if there is
any hardcover within the 75' to 250' setback area,
that should also be removed.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0),
Callahan moved on to the second half of the variance
which included the retaining wall and excavation.
Rovegno moved, Gcetten seconded, to recommend
approval of the retaining wall on the finding that
staff did indeed recommend its placement at some
point in the past, presuming it was beyond the 75'
setback area and needed for erosion problems.
Kelley also added that even if it is within the 10'
side yard setback, this should be approved.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
Callahan moved on to the issue of the boat storage,
which has already been discussed in previous matters
before the Planning Commission. He also noted that a
number of the petitions being circulated relate to
the question of whether or not the boat ordinance
itself ought to be changed, it is not the province of
this group to decide whether an ordinance should be
changed and it should not be discussed at this time.
Mr. Johnson stated that he would like to leave the
boat at its present sp>ot and not be treated any
different than anyone else in Orono.
Kelley moved, Rovegno seconded, to recommend denial
of the variance for Karl F. Johnson to permit the
storage of an oversized boat on his residential
property based on the following findings:
1. The applicant has indicated no hardships.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
Callahan noted for the record that no member of the
Planning Commission appears to be in violation of the
boat storage ordinance as was indicated in a letter
submitted by Jerry Wheeler.
MINUTBS OP THE PLAMNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 13
#901 KARL P. JOHNSON Mr. Wheeler noted that he had also submitted to
Council at their February 25, 1985 meeting a petition
by residents of Orono who wish the ordinance to be
enforced.
1898 LBROY KBOHNBN
3360 SHORELINE DRIVE
COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN REVIEW
Leroy Koehnen was present. Mr. Koehnen stated that
he is requesting to put up a canopy on the east end
of the building, add one extra underground tank and
put in a single stall drive-thru car wash. The car
wash would mean opening up the south side of the
building with a door, lining up the cars so that they
enter from the north and exit out the so.’th doors
which would enable them to enter on to County Road 19
or 15 or enter the alley and into the parVing lot
behind the building.
McDonald asked if the Environmentalist-2 car wash
would be used to conserve on water.
Mr. Koehnen stated that he would be using fresh water
method because of bad reports about recyling the
water, thus leaving in harmful salts and chemicals.
Kelley questioned the status of an annual inspection
of the field tanks.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth noted that Thomas
Jacobs, Building Inspector, handles all inspections
involving Uniform Fire Code.
Kelley moved, Goetten seconded, to recommend approval
of the commercial site plan by Leroy Koehnen for
installation of fuel tank, canopy over existing gas
pump and installation of single stall car wash at
service station at 3360 Shoreline Drive subject to
the following conditions:
1. New tanks installed per standards of Minnesota
State Fire Code.
2. Payment of $10,620.00 for total SAC and sewer
unit payments with permit for installation of car
wash.
3. Approval of setback variance for canopy finding
nothing detrimental to traffic visibility.
4. Traffic flow signage provided on site upon
completion of car wash.
5. Field tanks and lines must be inspected every 3
years.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
MINUTES OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18r 1985. PAGE 14
1899 PAUL PHILLIPS
2160 SIXTH AVENUE NORTH
SKETCH PLAN REVIEW Mr. & Mrs. Paul Phillips were present.
APPROVAL OP MINUTES
Zoning Administrator Mabusth questioned the applicant
about another division of the northern part of the
land located in Medina.
Mr. Phillips stated that they had purchased half of
the parcel and that division would have to be
resolved with the City of Medina.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth stated that this is the
first time that a subdivision would be seeking a
minimum area credit by asking for crediting land in
another City. Any other subdivision had always
immediately satisfy the area standard within the City
and remainder is just additional land. She noted
that there should be no problem with this. The
assessor has confirmed that there will have to be no
separate PID or legal description. Majority of the
lands will be credited to Orono. She noted that the
accesses to the site were the only real problam to be
resolved .
Kelley stated that he had no problem with this
proposed subdivision.
Chairman Callahan noted that the comments made by
Lynn Adams to the Council at the February 25th
Council meeting was that there had been a motion
presented to the Planning Commission in relation to
absenteeism. He noted that absenteeism is on the
adgenda for the joint meeting to be held March 25,
1985. He also noted that to his recollection, there
was a question raised about absenteeism but no motion
was made regarding this issue and in fact it was
ruled that it was not the Planning Commissions busi
ness. He wishes the minutes of February 19th to
reflect this.
Chairman Callahan also noted that Council had
questioned the fact that only 3 members were present
at the February 19th Planning Commission meeting and
the validity of that meeting for that reason. City
Attorney at that time suggested that there was no
quorum. Callahan noted that Item 6 on the agenda for
the joint meeting of March 25, 1985 is in regard to
the quorum issue not absenteeism.
McDonald stated that the Planning Commission does not
need a quorum because they are only a recommending
body.
MINUTBS OP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 18, 1985. PAGE 15
APPROVAL OP MINUTES Zoning Administrator Mabusth stated that the City
Attorney noted that Robert's Rules of order defines
any quorum for any group including the Planning
Commission.
Roregno stated that Robert's Rules have never been
adopted by the Planning Commission according to the
ordinances. He also noted that they are following
Robert's Rules because a quorum is defined in the
rules only if a quorum is defined as being required.
If it is not required then it is ^c^i^tcable.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth advis^ jhat she was not
aware that adoption of Roberts Rules of Order would
have to be legally adopted by an ordinance but that
certainly the City Attorney would respond.
Goetten moved, Kelley seconded, to approve the
Planning Commission minutes of February 19, 1985.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nayes (0).
REPRESENTATIVE TO ATTEND
COUNCIL MEETING Taylor volunteered to attend the Council meeting of
April 8, 1985.
ADJOURNMENT 10:42 PM Rovegno moved, Goetten seconded, to adjourn the
regular Planning Commission meeting at 10:42 p.m.
Motion, Ayes (6), Nays (0).
M«rch l4» 1985
.TO I Plannini^ Commission
City of Orono
PROMi Jerry V* Wheeler
3399 Crystal liay Rd.
Weyseta, Nn. 5S391
REt PAl^SB INFORMATION regarding No* 901 i Karl Johnson
On Monday* March 16th** Mr* Karl Johnson Is scheduled to
appear before you reffardlne TWO variance applications* I
have a couple MAJOR concerns with the information sur~
rounding this case* My first concern is that the "public
notice" in this matter indicates that Mr* Johnson has NOT
been directed to apply for variances for ALL of the vio
lations that he was susposed to have filed for* My second
concern is FAR MORE SERIOUS* My concern is that Staff's
January 22* 1985, "Update" to the City Council on this
matter is FULL of nEFINITBLY FALSE INFORMATION. I would
like to address my concern with the "public notice" first
and then the January 22nd* "Update"*
The public notice which was in the "Laker" on March 5th**
states that Mr* Johnson has applied for ONLY TWO VARIANCES
(See attached)•
1*) A variance to store an oversised boat in his front
yard* and
2*) A variance for hardcover that he has brought in
within 75* of the lakeshore*
In addition to the oversised boat and the hardcover. Mr*
Johnson has also excavated the hillside and built a re
taining wall which is FULLY within the 75* lakeshore set
back (Mr* Johnson also stores a pickup truck in this same
area)* The retaining wall* the excavation, and the truck
are ALL VIOLATING NOT ONLY THE 75* SETBACK BUT ALSO THE
10* SIDE LOT LINE SETBACK REQUIREMENT. I do not fully un
derstand the variance procedure but. why hasn't Mr* Johnson
been directed by staff to ALSO apply for variances for
these other violations? Mr. Johnson is violating so many
of our laws, it is inconceivable to me that he is only
applying for two variances* To address ONLY these two vio
lations totally distorts the truth* I am certain that I
heard the City Council direct City Staff to ask Mr. Johnson
to comply with ALL of these laws*
There is elso no reference in the public notice to the
fact that the two variance applications that Mr* Johnson
has filed, are "after the fact" variance applications* It
is customary to have this information as part of the public
notice in as much as there is a larger fee involved. This
gentleman has recieved such "special treatment" in the
past that I am simply wondering if this is an "indication"
that, once again Mr. Johnson has been allowed to "slip
by" where other Orono Citisens are not* (See Attached)
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Now to address iqy second concern. Staff's January 22, 1905
^Update" to the City Council regarding Mr. Johnson's vio
lations is FULL OF UBFINITLY FALSE INFOHllATIOM M I I am
concerned that this FALSE information is going to be pre
sented to you* the Planning Commission* as an allegedly
factual basis for you to base your decision on in this
matter. It is imperative that you know the truth.
The "Update" states that only a "smal1 portion of (Mr.
Johnson's) retaining wall is located within 75' of the
lake". This statement is TOTALLY FALSE. The truth is that
AU- OF THE RETAINING WALL IS WITHIN 21* OF THE LAKE SHORE.*
The "Update" states that "the bank that was altered is
NOT in the protected area" (emphasis added). Once again*
this statement is TOTALLY FALSE. The entire etcavation
is within 21* of the lakeshore.* ———————
The "Update" goes on to state that a "major portion of....
(this storage area) was the bed of a driveway that served
the residence on the (west)." This is literally HIUICULOUS.
The "residence on the (west) side" just happens to be OURS.
Not only is this information false* Mr. Johnson himself
would NEVER have allowed us to drive over "a major portion"
of his property to gain access to ours, lielieve mel
to this false information* I have other serious
concerns with this report. It is so biased in Mr. Johnson's
favor as to give the appearance of OELIUEHATE PLANNING. It
doesn't even attempt to mention ANY fact that could possibly
have a negative effect on Mr. Johnson's applications (and
there are many). It is possible that Staff is planning to
submit additional information to you Monday evening but*
in case they are not, I want you to have at least a few
facts.
First of all, 13EF0RE Mr. Johnson built the storage area in
question* he ALREADY had a blacktop parking area in front
of his DOUULB garage that measures 23'X68' .* ALMOST 1,600
SqUARE FEET OF STORAGE SPACE (See Diagram). Even though
this parking pad doubles as his garage entrance* THERE IS
MORE THAN AMPLE ROOM for the storage of Mr. Johnson's pick
up truck WITHOUT BLOCKING HIS DOUBLE GARAGE ACCESS IN ANY
WAY WHAT—SO—EVER. In spite of this* Mr. Johnson stubbornly
refuses to store his pickup* OR ANYTHING ELSE* on this
parking pad. He insists on dumping ALL OF HIS JUNK ON OUR
LOT LINE FOR US TO LOOK AT.
• all measurements area* accurate as possible without going
onto Mr. Johnson's property. The lakeshore measurements
are based on ray recollection of EXACTLY where the lake-
shore was last year. I believe all measurements to be
accurate within a couple of inches.
1
The "Update" politely states that Mr. Johnson "MBHELY....
plac(ed)....gravel over existing grassed area...." (emphasis
added) but there is absolutely no attempt to Inform you of
Just how much hardcover Mr. Johnson has. Uy my calculation,
which may or may not be correct. Mr. Johnson has Of Tus
^5 SETiiACK Ai^EA^ IN HAHlJCOVERe I wond6r how many of Orono^s
residents are allowed to have 8k% hardcoverl
Last but not least, this "Update" has missed no opportunity
to "shed an unusually good light" on Mr. Johnson. It goes
on to "observe", in passing, that Mr. Johnson "has placed
no plastic sheeting under the gravel"! While this is indeed
"a finding of fact" (and surprisingly true). HUW CAN ANY
STAFF REPORT BB SO THOROUGHLY BIASED IN ANY PERSONS FAVOR?
I am sure that all of the preceding can somehow be explain-
away———one item at a time. Nobody is perfect. But.
everything taken together paints quite a different picture,
especially in light of the long term history of this dis
pute. I can*t prove that Mr. Johnson has in fact continu
ally received preferential treatment from "someone" in
Orono. BUT. THE EVIDENCE IS OBVIOUSLY OVERWHELMING THAT
"SOMEONE" lUS DISHONEST FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES IN OHONO.
I am hoping that the Planning Commission and the City
Council will see to it that such dishonesty does not un
fairly or ILI.EUALLY "influence" the outcome of this hear
ing. I would appreciate a fair hearing.
Since
SCALE
TRUCK I
approximated I7'X8*
IT IS VERY EVIDENT-
(especially when drawn
to scale) THAT MR.
JOHNSON CAN EASILY PARK
HIS TRUCK ON HIS BLACK
TOP PAD AND STILL HAVE
ROOM TO SPARE
CITV or OSONO
NOTICI
Th« Ptonmog Commiuion wtH hold a Publa
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BfRo4iJ Oft Morwlay March 18 1985onltM
utallcf of n^ foiovting U hm J om appltcaltons
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Lots 25 and 26 Morse IslarnJ P.if)t —
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.ut<1 setbar hs regulalKina tot
nm curtbiructron ot a storage burldaig
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CrjrSftP Road—Variances to hard
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gr.i»ei a»tihtrt /t feet of tf>e laiieehore
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ceeds 20 feet m length to hii laSeshore
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A h persons anetang to be heard ei«i app«.v al
lh*a time Aritten communts are soaciled HUm:
are a«a*iat4e tor revew m the City offices
C«t> of Orono Plamnng ComrnissUM
Jean Matiosfh
BiiiKJeig A Zoning Admirvi&trati <
(Published m Tfie l aaer March 5 tg85i
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A^WILLIAM J. SlME. Jr . ,<z^e^AK4^
2106 Snadywoo O road • WAYZATA. MINNESOTA 55301 • *?71-0296
March 5, 1985
Mr. Fdward Callahan
Planning Commission Chairman
P.O. Box 72
Crystal Bay, MN 55323
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Dear Mr, Callahan:
Since I will be unable to attend the March 18th planning Commission
meeting, lam enclosing a copy of a change I have requested Pam to
make in the February 19, 1985 P.C, minutes.
I was informed by Pam that Mr. Karl Johnson of 3393 Crystal Bay Rd.
will be coming before you requesting a variance to keep his 25 foot
boat in his front yard. This is very close to my home in an area my
wife and I walk frequently. In my opinion, this situation is the most
flagrant violation of multiple city ordinances I have seen.
There are four distinct and separate violations:
1, Dirt has been excavated from a slope within 75 feet of the
lake without a permit and a retaining wall constructed.
2. Crushed was put in this area which is considered by Orono to
be hard cover. (Naturally, this is also within 75* of the lake.")
3, A Doat exceeding 20 feet in length has been stored there; as
®s a reol eyesore in the form of a rusted out pick“up truck.
4. The boat, pick-up, and excavated area are all right on the
property line, even though our ordinance clearly specifies a ten
foot sideyard setback — even in the back yard.
I complained to the city council in 1983 when the area was being
excavated, and was ignored. Mr. Wheeler of 3399 Crystal Bay Rd,—-Hr,
Johnson s neighbor—— has been pleading with Orono to simply have the
ordinances enforced for the past two years.
n*U -rca* i.-justice hete is thac some type ot political pressure has
been exercised to prevent the enforcement of our ordinances in Mr.
Johnson s case. Even the similar "Eller matter" was disoatched with
the comparative lightning speed of less than five months. (And that
consisted of only ONE violation.)
lam very sorry that I will not be able to voice my feelings personally
Copied to all PC members.
Sincerely,
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The underslgn^Kl resicK^nts of Qryntal Bay Pd, a^ree ?(0J to restrict any
type or of V>oat, vehicle and/or trailer within the confines of
thtilr property.
A vast variety of reasons can be given to uphold this doclslont but
ours denotes the general feeling **In the past 33 years n^t one
landowner has coniplained or made an issue oi their neighbor s
storing policies."
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AGENDA FOR SPECIAL JOINT COUNCIL & PLANNING COMMISSION MEBTlIfG
SET FOR MONDAY, MARCH 25, 1985, 5:00 P.M.
^ATTENDANCE
ITEMS TO BE DISCUSSED
1. Ordinance enforcement for violators and the City's policy
(City Attorney, Tom Radio to comment).
2. Proposed amendments to wetlands and floodplains ordinance
requested by the DNR.
3. Boat storage ordinance - no specific reference to indivi
dual applications will be made but discussion will be held
on enforcement of boat ordinance and validity of such
ordinance.
4. New interpretation of hardcover - concerning decks within
0-75' setback area.
5. Planning Commission to discuss their opposition on 2 year
term limit for Planning Commission members.
6. Absenteeism on Planning Commission and need for quorum
(City Attorney to com; •*•.).
7. Any other items Planning Commission or Council wish to
discuss.
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ADJOURNMENT - 7:00 p.m.
* Please contact John Gerhardson (473-7359) if you do not
wish to attend the light dinner that will be served during
the meeting.