HomeMy WebLinkAbout03-17-1986 Planning MinutesPLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MONDAY , MARCH 17 , 1986 7 : 3 0 P.M.
1275 BROWN ROAD SOUTH - COUNCIL CHAMBERS
COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE - Tom Frahm
ATTENDANCE
SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARINGS
1. 7:30 P.M. #1010 Duane N. Hall
1860 Shadywood Road
Preliminary Subdivision
ACTION ITEMS
2. #1011 Excelsior Bay Yacht Club, Deering Island
Conditional Use Permit & Variance
3. #1012 Wayzata Country Club, 200 Wayzata Blvd.
Conditional Use Permit
4. #1013 Ste-e Katainen, 3850 Shoreline Drive
Commercial Site Plan Review
5, Zoning Amendment - Section 10.41, B-2 Lakeshore Business District
ADDITIONAL ITEMS
6. Planning Commission approval of February 18, 1986 Minut.-s.
7. Planning Commission to select a representative to attend the
April 21, 1986 Council Meeting.
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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 17, 1986
ATTENDANCE 7:30 P.M.
The Orono Planning Commission met on the above date with
the following members present: Chairman Kelley,
Callahan, Bellows, Taylor, Goetten & Rovegno. McDonald
was absent. The following represented the City staff:
Zoning Administrator Mabusth, Assistant Zoning
Administrator Gaffron, and City Recorder Peterson.
Council representative Frahm was also present.
#1010 DUANE N. HALL
1860 SHADYWOOD ROAD
PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION &
PUBLIC HEARING 7:32 - 8:20
Zoning
Mailing
VARIANCE
Administrator Mabusth noted the Certificate of
and Affidavit of Publication.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth reviewed the application
for subdivision - lot line rearrangement to create a new
building site. She reviewed the requested variances vs.
the requirements of Lot A: Lot area 4.2 %, Lot width
29.5%, and Hardcover 5.3%; Lot B: Lot area 15.2%, Lot
width 34.5 %, and Hardcover 5.7 %; Setback for accessory
structure. ( Based on the assumptions of relocation of
garage and shortened patio).
Duane N. Hall was present for this matter and questioned
why a second story deck would be considered hardcover.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron stated that the
City Council considers it hardcover because it has been
found that it had a potential of having plastic or other
:he materials underneath creating the actual hardcover.
Technically, a case could be made that a deck with
certain spacing etc. and ground underneath is likely to
allow most of the water to drain through.
Chairman Kelley stated that considering decks as
hardcover has been the decision of the City Council and
should not be made an issue at this time, it would be
something applicant would have to discuss when the
application goes before the Council*
Mr. Hall indicated a difference in his hardcover
calculations vs. staf f's calculation. His calculations
show Lot A 1% hardcover variance and Lot B 0% hardcover
variance. He noted that he would like to work with
staff on this discrepancy.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth stated that staff felt
comfortable with their hardcover calculations.
Chairman Kelley asked applicant to address his
hardship(s) to base this request upon.
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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 17, 1986
#1010 DUANE N., HALL continued
Submitting a plat
of properties to
with.
map, Mr. Hall indicated different sets
use to compare his proposed division
Regarding applicant's hardships, Mr. Hall stated that he
envisioned living in a house on his extra lot and his
hardship is living in a high density area where the bulk
of the lots are substandard.
Chairmar_
Kelley
asked
the public to address their
feelings
regarding
this
proposal.
Glenn Tillotson,
would like to go
proposal and feels
ordinances and not
1875 Shadywood
on record as
Orono should be
"cave in".
Rd., stated that he
disapproving of the
consistant with their
John C. Ericson, 1620 Shadywood Rd., stated that he felt
clearly platted lots with sewer and water should be
allowed to be developed. He stated that if a property
owner is not allowed to build on these lots they should
be taxed only $1 for these unusable lots.
Paul Taylor of 3611.' Colfax Avenue S., Minneapolis (not
related to Planning Commission member Paul Taylor),
representing his mother, Mrs. Durwood A. Taylor of 1880
Shadywood, re -stated their objections and concerns as
noted in Mrs. Taylors letter regarding preserving the
valley, view, and character of the neighborhood. In
addition, he stated that any major excavation of appli-
cants property would endanger at .least two of their
trees. He noted that his late father's intent when he
purchased the property in 1953 was to move into an area
that had space and by paying property taxes on that
space, preserve that space. He stated that compromise
of the zoning ordinance would create a great incentive
for others to follow suit.
Mrs. Durwood A. Taylor stated that shortly after Mr.
Hall purchased his property he approached her husband
requesting to buy a 15 foot strip of property and was
turned down. She noted that her late husband instructed
her not to sell any of their property. She stated that
Mr. Hall approached her again in January 1986 to encour-
age Mrs. Taylor to sell some property. She stated that
she has no intention of selling her property.
John Ericson explained the past 40 years of changes that
resulted in these 40-65' wide lots and he stated he does
not see how the City can continue to deny these
requests.
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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 17, 1986
#1010 DUANE N. HALL continued
In response to the Taylors comments, Mr. Hal 1 stated
that he did in fact offer to buy some of Mrs. Taylors
property but it would not solve his problem with zoning
laws at this time. He also assured that no damage would
be done to her trees.
Chairman_ Kelley read into the record a letter to the
Planning Commission dated March 14, 1986 from Milton &
Doreen Seifert of 1856 Shadywood Rd., indicating their
objections for the following reasons: 1)overcrowding
on Crystal Bay 2'I substandard lot 3 )City should remain
consistant with past actions 4)encourage others
(setting precedent) to seek variances which would be in
direct conflict with what the Commission and people wish
to see .for the area.
There were no
other
person
present from
the
public
regarding this
matter
and the
public hearing
was
closed.
Planning Commission member Taylor stated lie felt uncom-
fortable with aggravating a situation that within a
neighborhood already has a number of substandard lots,
an area that appears to be con jested, and feels it is
hard to deal with the concepts of grandf athering when
there is no legal basis. He felt it was not an
appropriate variance to approve.
Callahan stated that he agreed with Taylors comments and
staffs recommendation to deny.
Rovegno agreed that he was uncomfortable wit': this app-
lication noting that the material from Mr. Hall was
persuasive along with Mr. Ericson's comments. He noted
that one thing that troubles him about such applications
is that if there had been a shack on a separate lot they
would be approving it as a substantial property right.
He noted staffs memo vs. Mr. Ha l l's material, it appears
that either this lot is exactly like all the rest or
very very different, something that should be recon-
ciled. In addition, he feels that it is a small lot and
a very difficult situation.
Bellows stated that based on Mr. Ha l l's materials
submitted she felt that the only hardship was a
financial one which was not a valid hardship. She
questioned the fact that Mr. Hall noted that his present
house is too large but however the proposed house
(501x40' 2-story plus basement.) appears to be larger
than his present home.
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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 17, 1986
#1010 DUANE N.
HALL continued
Mr. Ha 11 stated that he
large of a house, that is
indicated on his drawing.
does not plan to build that
merely the building envelope
Bellows still questioned the lack of hardship involved
and felt uncomfortable in that she finds no uniqueness
of this situation which is needed to Yule on.
Goetten stated that she understood applicant's concerns
however she felt by approving this it would only make a
bad situation worse and also found no hardship involved.
Chairman Kelley concurred with the comments made by the
other Commission members and felt that this lot was too
substandard.
It was moved by Taylor, seconded by Callahan, to
recommend denial of this application based on the
following:
1) Multiple variances sought are excessive.
2) Applicant has not submitted suf f icent evidence of
a hardship which is unique to that particular
circumstani .
Motion, Ayes 6 Nays 0.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth noted that this application
would be presented before the Council at the April 14,
1986 meeting.
#1011 EXCELSIOR BAY YACHT CLUB
DEERING ISLAND
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT & VARIANCE
PUBLIC HEARING 8:29 - 9:07
The Affidavit of Publication was noted.
Representing the Excelsior Bay Yacht Club was Doug
Klint.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth explained that Deering
Tr ia;ls- was designated as having 6.5 acres and approved
as a cuffforming lot and privy all permitted and
conditional use permits within the RS District.
However, a recent survey of the island confirms that
there are only 2.65 acres which would require an area
variance of 2.35 acres or 47%.
Doug Klint showed the original plat from 1913 which
proved it to be 6.5 acres originally* He explained that
the proposed plan is for a recreational area to be used
by the Commodore Club of the Yacht Club, and that they
intend to control the number of club members on the
island.
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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD !MARCH 17, 1986
#1011 EXCELSIOR BAY YACHT CLUB continued
Chairman Kelley indicated
the number of people on the
be out of Or_ ono' s control.,
concerns regarding policing
island, noting that it would
Zoning Administrator Mabusth suggested obtaining input
from the Water Patrol regarding the policing concerns.
Doug
K 1 int
stated that the Commodore Club is limited to
300
people
and are generally 35 years
and alder. He
noted that
they expected a small perce-ntage
of that club
to use the island. They plan to have the
is ..and staffed
from
Memorial
Day to Labor Day in a small
office area
with
phone
service.
Callahan stated that he felt notification of the
proposed use of Deering Island should be given to the
Mound residents nearest to the island that would be
affected,
The Planning Commission felt that staff should contact
Mound regarding this proposal.
Callahan stated that fie had serious misgivings about the
proposed use of this island and felt that there would be
problems policing the number of people allowed on the
island and he does not feel this application should be
granted.
Chairman Kelley stated that in addition to policing, the
extra traffic and dockage should be addressed with the
Water Patrol.
Zoning Administrator Mabusth stated that staff has not
received a site plan other than the location of proposed
gazebo.
Rovegno stated
questioned what
would be and he
proposed limited
that this island
the alternative
felt that based
use is reasonable
Bellows stated that she f e 1 t. that
positive use with restrictions,
limiting the use to 53 people it
use other than for special events.
is a record l o w and
uses of this island
on the options, the
and appropriate.
this was a potentially
however she felt by
would not be a viable
Goetten stated that she felt this was a positive use but
there are questions that needed to be answered
Chairman
Kelley
stated that
he felt this type of limited
use
was the
best
use for the
island.
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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD MARCH 17, 1986
11011 EXCELSIOR BAY YACHT CLUB continued
Callahan stated that he felt this was not a reasonable
use in that the traffic would be extreme and they have
no power to police the island.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron noted that the
septic site plan was realistic.
Taylor stated that he felt that there were too many
operation and logistical considerations to be ar�wered
before making a decision other than denial.
There
were
no
comments from
the
public regarding this
matter
and
the
public hearing
was
closed.
The following are the issues that the Planning
Commission felt needed to be resolved:
1) Input. from Water Patrol regarding location and
number of docks, impact of holiday weekends, end
policing concerns.
2) Applicant to submit a commercial site plan
including site plan for docks, and a specific plan
for policing including after hours protection and
fire protection.
It was moved by Goetten, seconded by Chairman Kelley, to
table this matter until the above issues are can be
resolved. Motion, Ayes 6, Nay 0.
#1012 WAYZATA COUNTRY CLUB
200 WAYZATA BLVD.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
PUBLIC HEARING
It moved by Ro vegno, seconded by Chairman Kelley, to
table this matter upon staff recommendation pending
additional information. Motion.. Ayes 6, Nays 0.
#1013 STEVE KATAINEN
3850 SHORELINE DRIVE
COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN REVIEW
Zoning Administrator rlabusth explained the proposal for
an 80' x 85' (6800 s.f. ) structure for the use of
furniture sales/new furniture storage. She noted that
there are no problems with the setbacks, but advised
Planning Commission of the drainage/retention problems
within the watershed. New development must not create
drainage problems for Spring Park residents to west.
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#1013 STEVE RATAINEN continued
Steve Katainen, applicant and owner of Furniture
Minnesota, was present for this matter. He stated that
he would have no problem with altering hiE, plan to meet
the drainage concerns of the local watershed and any
other conditions required by the City. He explained
that he proposes a small neighborhood furniture store.
It was moved by Goetten, seconded by Ke 1 ley, to
recommend approval of the Commercial Site Plan subject
to all requirements being met. Motion, Ayes 6, Nays 0.
ZONING AMENDMENT
SECTION 10.41, B-2 LAKESHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING
The affidavit of publication was noted. In addition, it
was noted that a 1 1 7 Marinas in Orono were sent a copy
of the proposed amendment.
Assistant Zoning Administrator Gaffron reviewed the
proposed amendments to Municipal Code Section 10.41
intended to provide for regulation of commercial
operations in the B-2 Zoning District via a conditional
use permit and variance procedures, so that tht
commercial marina licensing provision of Section 5.42
can eventually be eliminated.
Attorney Bruce Douglas was present for this matter
representing North Shore Drive Marina and Chaska Marina.
Larry Hork, owner of North Shore Dr ' ve Marina, was also
present.
Due to the importance of the proposed amendment in
relation to the marinas, and that some of the marina
owners may still be on winter vacation and did not
receive the notice regarding this public hearing, it was
suggested that a special meeting be scheduled at a later
date to reveiw this matter.
It was r►.oved by Goetten, seconded by Kelley, to schedule
a Publi : Hearing on Thursday, April 17, 1986 at 7:00 PM
in the Orono Council Chambers for the proposed B-2
Zoning Amendment. Motion, Ayes 5, Nays 0. (NOTE:
Rovegno left the meeting during this matter at 9:39
changing the vote ratio)
In addition to re -scheduling the public hearing, staff
was directed to provide all the marinas with the
necessary packet for their review and notify them of the
Public Hearing no later than April 1, 1986.
(Confirmation of receipt of this information by marinas
to be made)
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES
It was moved by Chairman Kelley, seconded by Taylor, to
approve the Minutes of the February 18, 1986 Planning
Commission meeting as submitted. Motion, Ayes 5, Nay
0.
PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE
Planning Commission member Bellows was appointed to
attend the April 14, 1986 Council meeting.
ADJOURNMENT 10:00
PM
It was moved
adjourn the
Motion, Ayes
by Chairman Kelley, seconded by Taylor, to
Planning Commission meeting at 10:00 PM.
5, Nays 0.
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