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Orono, MN 55356 Crystal Bay, MN 55323-0066
March 20, 1998
Gary & Sandra Welsh
1214 Wildhurst Trail
Mound MN 55364
Dear Mr. & Mrs. Welsh;
We have received your letter requesting revisions to the City's Draft Storm Water Management
Plan. In this letter you request consideration of alternate locations for water quality Pond FL-
QI5 proposed for the shoreline area of Forest Lake.
The City of Orono is in the process of developing a Storm Water Management Plan to evaluate
various methods of reducing flooding problems and improving the water quality of the lakes
and wetlands within the City. This plan includes conceptual locations for storm water ponds
and other storm sewer system improvements.
One goal of this plan is to complete conceptual designs for storm sewer systems to reduce
flooding and improve water quality. The basic concept for the design and location of water
quality ponds is to locate them as close as possible to lakes and wetlands to capture and treat
the maximum amount of water before it enters the lake or wetland. As ponds are located
further from the lake or wetland, the amount of flow captured is reduced and improvements
to water quality are reduced. This basic design and location concept is followed throughout
the plan.
This plan presents conceptual designs in conformance with the plan goals. The designs shown
are conceptual in nature based on topographic mapping derived from aerial photography.
Before any projects are approved and constructed, feasibility studies and plans and
specifications will need to be completed.
Telephone (612) 473-7357 • FAX 473-0510
Gary & Sandra Welsh
March 11, 1998
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The City's Draft Storm Water Management Plan has been discussed by the Council only in a
preliminary manner. More discussion on this plan by the Council will occur before any formal
approvals of this plan are granted. The approval process will involve a public input process
to solicit citizen comments on the Storm Water Management Plan.
At this time, the position of the City is that eliminating or changing the conceptual locations
of any ponds or other storm sewer facilities is premature. Responding to individual requests
for changes could undermine and invalidate the entire planning process for possible storm water
system improvements. Final decisions on the actual locations of storm water facilities cannot
be made in a fair and objective manner until feasibility studies and designs have been
completed for individual projects.
Regarding possible diminished property values, planning activities undertaken by any level of
government may affect property values. This includes other projects currently in the planning
stages such as the proposed new Highway 12 relocation and several sanitary sewer projects.
Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Please contact us should you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Gregory A. Gappa
Director of Public Services
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cc: Ron Moorse, City Administrator
Mike Gaffron, Senior Planning Coordinator
Mayor Gabriel Jabbour and Orono City Council Members
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1214 Wildhurst Trail • Mound, Minnesota 55364 •Telephone 612-472-6955 • Fax 612-472-5663
January 21, 1998
RECEIVED
JAN wO1998
C j'Y OF ORONO
Mr. Gabriel Jabbour
Mr. Charles Kelly
Mr. Richard Flint
Ms. J Diann Goetten
Ms. Barbara Peterson
Re: Orono Draft Water Management Plan impacting some owners of lakeshore on
Forest Lake.
Dear Mayor and City Council Members:
The seven (7) following homeowners: Gary and Sandra Welsh (1214 Wildhurst Trail);
Robert and Marit Birkeland (1298 Wildhurst Trail); David and Kate Kruskoph (1200
Wildhurst Trail); Brian and Sandra Rasmussen (1186 Wildhurst Trail); James and
Roxanne Stasik (1270 Wildhurst Trail); Lyle and Joan Rahn (1146 Wildhurst Trail); and
Sanford and Margaret Erikson (4455 Forest Lake Landing) as you are aware are
concerned about the impact of one aspect of the Orono Storm Water Plan regarding their
properties. Refer to the letter of December 9, 1997 from James Steilen of Briggs and
Morgan.
The Plan if implemented would easily destroy up to 50 percent of the affected property
values along with diminished enjoyment of the property. We feel our properties are
worth less after the revelation of this draft plan. When one sells property, relevant
disclosures are required. If relevant disclosures are not made prior to a sale, the new
owner could have cause for action against seller and seller's agent. BOTTOM LINE: We
are "held hostage" by this proposal. The only way we can sell is to disclose this matter
that could result in a greatly diminished selling price.
All we are asking is for the City to eliminate that pond from the plan.
If you should decide to implement the overall plan there is a viable alternative to the pond
on the lakeshore. Barr Engineering is suggesting one or two ponds up on Saga Hill
would be a viable alternative and less costly. Enclosed is text and drawing.
Expediting this matter would be greatly appreciated. We realize with so many issues
before you, it becomes difficult to devote enough time to each one. However, this matter
needs to be concluded.
Sincerely,
Gary and Sandra Welsh
Enclosures
cc: Robert and Marit Birkeland
David and Kate Kruskoph
Brian and Sandra Rasmussen
James and Roxanne Stasik
Lyle and Joan Rahn
Sandford and Margaret Erikson
Ron Moorse, City Administrator(w/encl.)
Michael Gaffron, Sr Planner (w/encl.)
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Engineering Company
November 21, 1997
Saga Hill Preservation Society
do Steve Bell
VICOM
Science Center Drive
New Hope,MN 55428
Re: Alternative Locations for Water Quality Pond FL-Q15 Proposed for Forest Lake,
Orono,Minnesota
Dear Mr. Bell:
Background
On October 31, 1997, I inspected the proposed LGA Development site and the surrounding area.
On November 3, 1997, I was contacted by Gary Welsh who expressed concern over the location of
the proposed water quality pond shown in the "Stormwater Management Plan, Orono, Minnesota,
1st Draft,." dated July, 1997. Mr.Welsh was concerned that approximately 250 ft of valuable
Forest Lake shoreline would be destroyed in order to construct this pond. He also felt that an
easement for access to such a pond may come from Forest Lake Landing which would encumber
additional shoreland property. On November 18, 1997, Mr. Welsh requested that we evaluate the
feasibility of relocating the water quality pond to another location which may result in more
prudent expenditure of public funds. I contacted Patti Melt and was given approval to proceed
with this additional evaluation.
Proposed Water Anality Pond FL-Q15
Pond FL-Q15 is proposed to span approximately 250 ft along the shoreline of Forest Lake east of
Wildhurst Trail as shown on Figure 1. In this location, the pond would fully encumber the
shoreline of two lots and approximately one-half of another lot. The presence of a water quality
pond in this location would prevent the use of the shoreline by those property owners. Mr.Welsa
has indicated that the value of the affected properties is in excess of$1 million. It appears that
access for maintenance of Pond FL-Q15 may be obtained from the extension of an existing gravel
driveway originating from Forest Lake Landing. Mr.Welsh indicated this access drive and
associated easement would devalue four additional shoreland properties also valued in excess of S
million.
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Alternative Water QualiPond Lo tions li and discussed above that
It appears that there may be alternative locations for the water quality P
would meet the water management goals of the city while reducing the capital costs required to
construct and maintain the pond. We have identified the following alternatives:
1. Upstream End of South Ravine (Location 1): As shown on Figure 1, there is adequate
area and volume at the head of the south ravine to provide a water quality pond to treat runoff
from the 16 acres tributary to this pond location. Location 1 lies entirely on undeveloped property
and no valuable shoreline is encumbered. Maintenance access could be obtained from the existing
Garden Trail easement so no additional properties would be affected.
2. Upstream of Wildhurst Trail (Location 2):This pond location is shown on Figure 1 on
the upstream side of Wildhurst Trail. This area is an existing low point for drainage of a portion
of the FL-19 Subwatershed upstream of Wildhurst Trail. One
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alternative and no shoreline would be encumbered. pond
ataccessed from Wildhurst Trail without affecting additional properties. An outlet from a pond in
this location should be piped to Forest Lake (Figure 1)to prevent erosion of the steep slope
between the pipe outlet and the lake. Sediment from the erosion of the slope would have an
adverse impact on the water quality of Forest Lake.
3. Combination of Locations 1 &2:A third alternative may include water quality ponds in
both locations described above. If a combination of ponds were considered,it may be prudent to
route the discharge from Location 1 through the ravine to Wildhurst Trail,then through a pipe to
the outlet from Location 2 as shown in Figure 1.
Conclusion
Water quality pond FL-Q15 shown in the"Stormwater Management Plan Orono,Minnesota, 1st
Draft," could potentially be relocated upstream in one or two areas that would greatly reduce the
uate the feasibility of
cost of property and easement acquisition. The thatould minimize theof Orono should lerpenditure of public
these alternatives in future drafts of their Plan
funds and encumbrance of private property.
Respectfully yours,
Mark Jacobson
Water Resources Scientist
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Enclosures
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