HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-06-1998 Park Commission Minutes ORONO PARK COMMISSION MEETING
MINUTES FOR APRIL 6, 1998
ATTENDANCE
The Park Commission met on the above mentioned date with the following members
present: Chair Andrew McDermott, Commissioners Susan Wilson, Sherokee Ilse, and
Irene Silber. James White, Van Erickson, and Peter Welles were absent. Representing
Staff were Public Service Director Greg Gappa, and Recorder Sherry Frost. Chair
McDermott called the meeting to order at 7:20 p.m.
(#1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MARCH 2, 1998
Corrections were made on pages 2, 3, 5, 6, and 10.
McDermott moved, Wilson seconded, to approve the Minutes of the Park Commission
meeting of March 2, 1998 as amended. Vote: Ayes 4,Nays 0.
(#2) WELCOME NEW COMMISSIONER,IRENE SILBER
A. WHAT MAKES IRENE IRENE, ORONO HISTORY, AND HER
THOUGHTS ON PARKS
Irene Silber was welcomed as the newest Park Commissioner. Silber reported on her
background and interest in parks. Gappa will send Silber, along with all of the other
Commissioners, a copy of the resolution recently passed by the Council regarding park
issues.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
Joan Valek, who lives on Tonkaview Lane, asked to express her concern with issues in
her neighborhood. She and three adjacent landowners feel they have not been considered
when decisions have been made regarding her neighborhood. She is concerned that the 9
acre tax forfeit parcel in Saga Hall, originally thought to be passive in nature, has
changed from that designation to a park, to an active park. Valek noted problems that
have occurred with snowmobilers, picnickers, and other trespassers. She credits much of
the problems to an article written in the past by the Saga Hill Preservation Society, which
regarded the parcel as an active park.
McDermott informed Valek that motor vehicles are not allowed in City Parks. He also
indicated that only the 9 acre parcel could be considered for active use in the future. No
plans to that effect have been made.
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(Public Comments - Continued)
Valek said the intention of the park's use was never discussed with the neighbors. She
would like to see the City discuss such issues that affect residents with the residents. She
would like to see the park area posted in order to keep people off her property.
Another concern expressed by Valek is a comment made by the Saga Hill Preservation
Society regarding helping the property owners in protecting their land through
conservation easements. Valek said she does not need the group's assistance in protecting
her property. She is concerned with the government taking over some of her property.
Wilson explained what a conservation easement is and that such an easement is an option
for the property owners if they so chose. McDermott noted that newspaper articles have
given incorrect reports regarding this park.
Valek reported that campers have set up tents and have had cookouts on the Morgard
property. She wanted to make the Commissioners aware of this problem.
Gappa said Staff has discussed surveying the property. Valek said a survey is available
from Hennepin County.
Valek also noted that during a clean-up day, people were out on her property picking it
up. She feels residents are unaware of the park boundary.
Valek explained the 10' utility easement which is on her property. The easement runs
under the driveway. She was told that the County's intention was to vacate the easement.
Valek indicated the adjacent lot is separated by the easement. This lot is substandard in
area but is buildable. A sewer stub has been paid for on the lot.
McDermott informed Valek that it is not the Commission's intent to consider the
easement on her property for access to the park property.
Valek noted that runoff from neighboring properties run to their property. It presents a
problem and requires rerouting and maintenance for proper flow of water.
Valek reiterated her concerns and asked that the Commission consider the adjacent
property owners when decisions are made. McDermott said he would speak with the
Saga Hill Preservation Society regarding printed material. Valek also noted that the
comments received from the property owners would have been different if they had
known that the tax forfeit parcel was to be an active park instead of passive parkland.
Ilse explained some inaccuracies that have been reported. She noted that it was
determined that the majority of the parks were on the east side of the City. Expansion has
been considered for the western portion of the City to accommodate people in that area.
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(Public Comments - Continued)
Valek felt if a ballfield was constructed in the park, the adjacent preserved land will be
affected. llse agreed that caution will need to be exercised.
Ilse asked what process is used when developing a neighborhood park. McDermott said
the area within 1-1/2 miles is informed for resident input.
MEETING REPORTS
(#3) REPORT ON MARCH CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS - MCDERMOTT AND
WHITE - CARPENTER PROPERTY, TREE PRESERVATION
McDermott reported on the trail consideration given for the Carpenter property at the
Council meeting. He noted the concerns deeply expressed by audience members. He
also reported that tree preservation efforts are planned for this subdivision through
conservation easements. Gappa said the Council has asked that the entire area within 75'
of the lake be totally protected. Allowance will be made for a narrow width of land to
gain access to the lake. Wilson noted that past Mayor Callahan had noted that the best
method of maintaining a rural look to the City without acquiring land is through
protection of vegetation.
Gappa said the Council had instructed the City Engineer to review the trail issue. Tom
Kellogg came to the conclusion that the trail could be located on either side of the
roadway. The developer was willing for the City to take an easement, but the Council did
not do so. The Council is not interested in committing to a trail in the area at this time
and does not want land on both sides of the road for trails.
(#4) REPORT ON SAGA HILL, GRANT APPLICATION - MCDERMOTT AND
SILBER- MEETING WITH RESIDENTS AND FUTURE PLANS FOR AREA
A meeting attended by members of the Saga Hill Preservation Society, McDermott,
Council Member Flint and Mayor Jabbour was held recently. The group was receptive to
� the tax parcel becoming an active park. Wilson questioned whether this was
representative of the neighborhood. Saga Hill residents did feel it made more sense to
have both a passive and active area.
Silber reported that an application was made for the DNR Natural and Scenic grant
monies. It is unknown what funds will be available. A decision will be made by July.
Fund raising is on-going and one sponsor has pledged funds. The grant calls for
matching funds. Silber indicated that there is some flexibility in the time frame for both
the grant and the purchase agreement.
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(#4 - Saga Hill - DNR Grant- Continued)
Silber indicated that the Council would like to see an easement created over the church
property for access to the park property. McDermott noted that the City would like the
current easement of 10' moved to the north and another 10' obtained and allow the
parking lot to be used for parking. Another option is for parking on the Sollner property.
Silber said the Council's preference is not to bring cars down Garden Lane. A possible
trade of land has been discussed for the Hennessey property in order to solve future
Garden Lane access problems.
(#5) REPORT ON DICKEY PARK MEETING WITH RESIDENTS - ERICKSON
AND MCDERMOTT
A. NAME PROPOSALS - ILSE
B. TRASH STILL A PROBLEM AND DANGEROUS; SITE CLEANUP BY
DEVELOPER AND/OR CITY; REMOVE CONCRETE ROOT CELLAR,
RAILROAD TIE RETAINING WALL, CONCRETE BLOCKS, RUSTED
FENCE AND POST,ABANDONED TELEPHONE POLES, BROKEN AND
DEAD TREES. STATUS REPORT - GAPPA
McDermott reported that Erickson and he met with neighbors of the West and East
Countryside neighborhoods. These residents did not object to a small parking area with
kiosks, a trail, and pull around area. The association has not been turned over to the
residents and they are attempting to split their association from the Thoroughbred
neighborhood. The internal subdivision trails are still unresolved.
Wilson noted that there is a City connection to the park from Thoroughbred. McDermott
said the easement for a trail should be maintained. Wilson suggested wood chips be
placed on the trail as soon as possible to show the establishment of the trails. Ilse agreed.
Commissioners questioned who would be developing the park plans. Agreement was
reached that the plans should be drawn by an outside consultant. Gappa noted that there
was money available in the budget for consulting fees. McDermott will discuss this with
Moorse. The subcommittee will follow up regarding the plans.
Ilse is pursuing the name far the park. She has a meeting set up with a Native American
group to investigate this issue. She felt this should be resolved prior to the plans being
made.
Wilson agreed that this may make a difference in how the park is planned. She suggested
that plants that are important to the Native Americans be planted in the park.
Dickey Park is a priority for park development in 1998.
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(#5 - Dickey Park - Continued)
McDermott noted that the residents would like to see screening placed along the park
border.
He indicated that the residents did complain about the root cellar, retaining wall, trash,
and pipes and poles laying around on the property. Gappa said there was a $15,000 letter
of credit available. He will submit a letter to the developer informing him that the
property must be cleaned up by June 15 or the funds will be used. McDermott also noted
there was rusted fencing along the bike trail as well.
(#6) REPORT ON MEETING "WORK SESSION" WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY
PARKS - MCDERMOTT; TRAIL CONSTRUCTION AND MANAGEMENT
MEETING WITH D. BRYANT; BIG ISLAND APRIL OR MAY VISIT
McDermott reported that a meeting was held attended by Council Members Flint and
Goetten, Mayor Jabbour, City Administrator Moorse, Hennepin Parks representatives,
and himself regarding the cooperative agreement for the bike trail. Hennepin Parks
related their philosophy on trails. They would like to see the Dakota Rail developed at
some point into a trail system. This was not favored by Goetten. They also would like
the trail to go to Noerenberg Park. The restrictions on the park should not affect the trail.
Several problems areas were noted on the current trail system. Hennepin Parks will
remedy these problems when they construct their park. The agreement was made
between the City and County. McDermott said Hennepin Parks would also like to see a
tunnel developed under CoRd 6. They will be maintaining the trails and sweeping them
soon. Gappa suggested the trails be swept prior to the March for Parks. Wilson noted the
importance of maintaining a good working relationship with Hennepin Parks.
(#7) REPORT ON HWY 12 BIKE TRAIL - ERICKSON
Wilson reported that Erickson made final adjustments to the bike trail map. However,
Council Member Flint, questioned whether the map should also include the walking trail
along Spring Hill Golf Course. Commissioners agreed. Discussion was also had
regarding whether the Commission should work toward supporting the trails requested on
the south side of Long Lake. The Council is concerned with the new highway moving
forward and does not wish to impede the process due to trails.
McDermott indicated that Mayor Jabbour would like the Commission to have an
understanding of where the Council is regarding trails and the highway. He would like to
see the Commissioners work with the east and west neighborhood committees.
McDermott also noted the problem with wetlands along the west side of Hwy 12.
McDermott said Jabbour indicated it was too late in the process to include trails along the
new highway.
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(Hwy 12 Bike Trail - Continued)
Commissioners agreed on the need to be moving along the same path as the Council.
Wilson said she would like to assist the City of Long Lake regarding the trails but
understands that the Council does not wish to disrupt the process.
(Agenda item#8 follows item#13.)
(#13) BIKE/MARCH FOR PARKS ON APRIL 26 - ILSE
A. LEAVE FROM CITY HALL ON SUNDAY BETWEEN 10:00 A.M.-3:00
P.M.
B. STATUS OF FUND RAISING
C. WORK ASSIGNMENTS - MANDATORY FOR ALL
COMMISSIONERS; OTHER: MILE MARKERS, FOOD, EMERGENCY
SERVICES, POLICE AT HWY 12 INTERSECTION, SHUTTLE
SERVICE, PRIZES, CITY HALL, OVERFLOW PARK AT SCHOOL,
APPROVAL TO USE LUCE LINE, ETC.
Ilse distributed brochures for the march for parks. Funds collected were given to Gappa.
Prizes have been received. Pre-registration forms are available with the brochures at
sponsoring locations.
Wilson asked if the schools were notified. Ilse said this has not happened. It was decided
that a letter drafted by Silber would be sent to teachers along with a brochure to allow the
students to have the opportunity to participate.
Ilse reported that the march will begin at City Hall. Police support will allow bikers and
walkers to cross Hwy 12. Volunteers will be sought from the Park Commissions and
other service groups and residents. Long Lake will staff the route from Old Crystal Bay
to Greenglen. Mound will staff towards Crystal Bay. Orono will staff the route between
these two sections. Orono will also be in charge of registration with representation by the
other two cities. Volunteers will be required at each intersection. The march will end at
the Ox Yoke Inn.
Ilse has worked with students at the Lake Minnetonka Environmental School. The
students have assisted with determining prizes and needs for the march. Water will be
available, along with filled water bottles. The only other beverage must be in cans.
Wilson suggested something be offered to the participants at the end of the march. Ilse
also indicated that dignitaries will be invited to participate throughout the event.
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(#13 - March for Parks - Continued)
Ilse said volunteers will be arganized prior to the event and the first set of volunteers will
receive an orientation. Their relief volunteers will receive information from those they
take over from. Wilson suggested volunteers be in charge of the rotation and monitoring
the route.
McDermott suggested an official phone number be established through use of a cellular
phone for any needs that arise during the event.
Silber volunteered to be in charge of registration and assigning designation spots for the
volunteers.
Ilse explained that the funds raised will be collected prior to the march. She suggested
helmets be encouraged by bike riders. Wilson suggested Lili McMillan be asked to take
photographs.
Ilse reviewed the list of prizes.
Welles was appointed to be the trail "manager" and place mile markers along the trail.
Commissioners were asked to be available for the entire event. Wilson will not be able to
attend.
(Ilse left the meeting at this time.)
(#8) PARK'S NEWSLETTER FOR ORONO'S SPRING MAILING - WELLES;
INFORMATION ON CANOE RACK, ETC.
Gappa has organized the park information for the newsletter.
(#9) BEACH REGULATION SIGNS, STATUS REPORT ON NEW SIGNS -
GAPPA
Gappa said the signs have not been done. He was asked to report on them at the May
meeting. He will write a mock-up and fax it to McDermott for his review.
(#10) FRIENDS OF THE PARK AWARD PICTURES AND NEWSPAPER
ARTICLE UPDATE -WILSON
Gappa indicated a caption will be added to the picture in the lobby. He will write a press
release for submission to the newspaper. Wilson suggested submitting a picture along
with the written information.
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(#11) ICE RINK STUDY- GAPPA, WELLES, WILSON
A. PREPARE REPORT TO BE SENT TO COUNCIL
B. COST TO OPERATE RINKS (LABOR), WAYZATA AND WOODHILL
COUNTRY CLUBS
C. EQUIPMENT REQUIRED, ITEMS THAT ORONO SHOULD
PURCHASE. MINIMUM REQUIRED AND HOW DOES THIS
COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES.
D. COST TO DEVELOP ORONO GOLF COURSE RINK
E. SHOULD WE PROCEED WITH GOLF COURSE RINK?
The ink rink study will be discussed at the May meeting. Wilson said the general feeling
was that the golf course ice rink would be too expensive.
(#12) ADOPT A PARK VOLUNTEER
A. PREPARE HANDOUT FOR APRIL 25 CITY CLEANUP DAY AND
GOODWILL COLLECTION ON MAY 2
B. PREPARE PRESS RELEASE FOR CARE GIVERS
A list of parks will be included for insertion into the newsletter and for a handout for
distribution at the clean-up day, Goodwill collection day, and the March for Parks. The
City will send letters to the volunteers stipulating their park and duties. An invitation will
be send to the volunteers for an event to be held at the end of the season to acknowledge
their contributions. If volunteers are not received through these efforts, the
Commissioners will need to find volunteers for their respective parks. The other two
parks with current volunteers are Summit Beach (Tamarack Seniors) and Bederwood
(Amelia Kroeger).
Wilson suggested other needs requiring volunteers be noted as well, namely, bluebird
monitors and waterfall observers.
The write-up will be submitted by McDermott to Gappa by April 16.
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(#14) ANTOINE PARK CONSTRUCTION STATUS - GAPPA
A. PAINT OLD SWING SET, OLD SLIDE, PARKING STALL,
SIDEWALK,
ACCESSIBLE PLAY EQUIPMENT, ETC.
B. DEDICATION/RIBBON CUTTING, SET DATE
C. "THE BEAL TREE" - FLOWERING CRABAPPLE?
Gappa reported that the handicapped path requires paving, which should occur in May.
McDermott suggested PVC culverts be replaced. It was noted that the old swing set has
been reused but the slide was removed.
Wilson suggested the neighborhood group chair, Karen Hanson, be contacted regarding
adopting the park.
McDermott indicated that the dedication and ribbon cutting will occur during the Park
Tour.
McDermott suggested a crabapple tree be planted in dedication to Commissioner Beal's
contribution on the Commission. A possible location for the tree was indicated between
the swing set and wooded area. Gappa suggested the tree be planted prior to the Park
Tour. Ms. Silber's husband, Mr. Ruce, suggested a "Donald Wyman" crabapple be
planted as it is known to be disease resistant.
Wilson asked Gappa to ensure that plants are watered during the summer months.
It was noted that Crystal Bay Park will need to be reseeded and fertilized.
(#15) SUMMIT BEACH
A. STATUS OF MAINTENANCE WORK- GAPPA
B. EXPAND MOWED AREA, RELOCATE BATHROOMS, OTHER
IMPROVEMENTS FOR SPRING -WILSON
Gappa reported that the driveway was taken out and the ground seeded. Wilson reminded
Gappa to relocate the bathroom away from the parking lot. She also reiterated the other
maintenance needs for moving the sign to the left of the entry, need for a beach regulation
sign, and a larger mowed area, which can be determined at the beginning of the mowing
season. The posts and fallen trees have been removed. The mowed area would be a good
location for the picnic tables.
Wilson was informed that one person is assigned to parks. She suggested the park
maintenance be reviewed for the parks with this person.
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(#15 Summit Beach- Continued)
Discussion on whether a dumpster is necessary. McDermott encouraged the park users to
take out of the park what they bring into it. Wilson suggested this be included in the sign
information. The dumpster will be moved away from the parking lot to discourage other
dumping.
(#16) PARK TOUR
PARKS TO VISIT
OTHER THINGS TO VISIT
Gappa suggested a tour of open space parcels and buffer areas. Silber suggested the
possibility of touring subdivisions that can be emulated within the City. Gappa noted that
septic system sites will determine how a subdivision is developed.
Commissioners will develop a list of parcels to tour.
The tour will also include the dedication of Antoine Park.
(#17) FRENCH CREEK - WILSON
DO WE NEED TO BURN IT THIS YEAR?
Wilson asked that the park be placed on the list for burning of Prairie Restoration. The
burning will need to be done within the next few weeks. Gappa will contact the
company.
Wilson noted there are many types of ducks in the nature area. She commended Gappa
on the outstanding path.
Gappa indicated the weir has been removed. Wilson asked that Gappa review the area as
the pond has filled up once again and may be plugged with debris.
(#18) BEDERWOOD - GAPPA
RECYCLING CONTAINERS STATUS REPORT - GAPPA
Gappa said he is awaiting information from Amelia Kroeger. McDermott said he has
information that he will send to Gappa on recycling containers.
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(#19) NEW BUSINESS
McDermott reviewed the list for attendance at the Council meetings. He asked that
substitutes be found if a Commissioner is unable to attend a particular meeting. Wilson
will inform the Council at the next meeting of the plans for Dickey Park, the Park Tour,
the March for Parks, and beach regulation signage.
McDermott noted a proposed date for a tour of Big Island with Hennepin Parks and City.
He said the County has indicated they have no purpose for the large piece of land and
scattered lots owned by the County on Big Island. The County also does not have first
right of refusal for the Veterans Camp. All Commissioners are invited to attend the tour.
Silber was assigned Highwood, Saga Hill, and Antoine Parks. Welles will now have
Orono Golf Course, Summit Beach, and Brown Road Trail.
Wilson will be absent from the May meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
McDermott moved, Wilson seconded, to adjourn at 10:11 p.m. Vote: Ayes 3, Nays 0.
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