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HomeMy WebLinkAbout07-17-1995 Planning Commission Minutes• PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL PUBLIC ATTENDANCE MEETING DATE PLEASE FILL OUT THE INFORMATION REQUESTED BELOW FOR OUR CITY RECORDS. PRESENT FOR (from agenda) NAME (please print) ADDRESS NAME OR NUMBER P1 cc�.}rt Its ti �—(' (,. �,. (�,��d(ct:�, 2. 3. 4. 5. i6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 0 S. 9. 40Z ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR JULY 17,1995 ROLL The Orono Planning Commission met on the above date with the following members present: Acting Chair Candace Rowlette, Sandra Smith, Dale Lindquist, and Janice Berg. Steve Peterson and Charles Schroeder were absent. The following represented the City Staff: Building and Zoning Administrator Jeanne Mabusth and Recorder Sherry Frost. Mayor Callahan and Council Member Jabbour were present. Acting Chair Rowlette called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING ( #1) #2025 MICHAEL PLANK, 4115/4145 WATERTOWN ROAD - VACATION OF DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT, 7 :00 -7 :03 P.M. The Certificate of Mailing and Affidavit of Publication were noted. Mr. Plank was not in attendance. Mabusth reported that the application is for the vacation of the drainage and utility easement located on either side of the division fines of Lots 2 and 3 originally platted in . 1986 as part of the Maple Place subdivision. As part of this current application, lot lines have been redrawn, and the easement serves no public purpose in its current configuration. New drainage and utility easements will be designated along the newly defined shared lot line. There were no public comments. Lindquist moved, Berg seconded, to approve Application #2025 per Staff recommendations. Ayes 4, Nays 0. ACTION ITEMS (#2) #2026 NEW HORIZON CHILD CARE, 875 WAYZATA BOULEVARD - VARIANCES - CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING 7 :03 -7 :13 P.M. Sharon Bergen represented New Horizon Child Care. This application had been tabled from the last meeting to allow applicant time to look at scaling back the size of the signs and to speak with Mn/DOT concerning the entrance/exit sign. It was discovered that Mn/DOT has no specific signage applicable for a daycare use but volunteered to assist in locating the right -of -way upon the installation of the sign- 0 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 1.7, 1995 ( #2 - #2026 New Horizon Child Care - Continued) Mabusth said the applicant has presented two options for the main signage. One option is a 4- 1/2x4 -1/2' single sided sign to be attached to the facility. The other alternative is a free- standing sign, 4-1/2x4-1/2, smaller than originally proposed, but located in the same place at a lower height. The entrance pylon is also reduced in size to 4'x4' at a height of 13'8 ". The sign contractor has provided the electrical specifications as required. New Horizon will install timers on the signs and turn the lights off at a prescribed time if recommended as the facility is in a residential area. Smith asked if this was at the request of the City or a company policy. Bergen said there was no set company policy. Such determinations were made by the neighborhood within the City the child care center is located. If the center is in a commercial setting, New Horizon generally does not put timers on their illuminated signs. The child care center in Wayzata was noted as being in a commercial zone with similar lighting and brightness of illumination. Lindquist recommended the entrance sign include the verbage, "entrance ". Smith and Rowlette agreed as the entrance is difficult to detect. There were no public comments. • Lindquist moved, Smith seconded, to approve Application #2026 for one sign on the building, option #1, an entry sign with additional verbage to indicate the entrance, and an illuminated apron; both apron and building sign's illumination to be controlled by timers. Appropriate hours of illumination will be worked out with Staff. Smith noted people using the Luce Line do not wish to see lighted signs. Ayes 4, Nays 0. ( #3) #2032 MICHAEL AND LYNNE GERHLICHER, 1375 REST POINT ROAD - VARIANCES - PUBLIC HEARING 7:13 -7 :28 P.M. The Certificate of Mailing and Affidavit of Publication were noted. Mr. Gerhlicher was present. Mabusth reported that the application is for height and rear /street lot line setback for fencing exceeding the 3 -1/2' height requirement. The fencing will replace a former privacy fence. The height of the fence averages 6 to 6-1/2' in height with 7' at center posts and 5' at the mid section. The fencing is located out of the 75' setback area and will be reinstalled on the side lot line. The average lakeshore setback is met, and the fence will have no visual impact on the seasonal cabin next door. Lindquist asked if the 1977 survey is the latest survey available. Mabusth said it was and noted that the lot lines have not changed. • MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 ( #3 - #2032 Michael & Lynne Gerhlicher - Continued) The applicant presented photographs of the old and new fencing to the Commission members. The new fencing is the same type as used on a property across the street from subject property. Rowlette read into the minutes a letter with 15 signatures from neighbors approving the fence. Smith voiced concern with allowing fencing that does not meet City code and possibly creating alleyways of fencing. Lindquist said these concerns are valid but noted that the fencing was a replacement. A recent application approval for a fence in the Narrows area was cited, which Smith noted she did not vote in favor of Smith questioned whether members would approve a new fence that was not within the 42" standard. Mabusth asked if Commissioners would like to review the statement of hardship. Smith said she was aware of the statement and noted the good quality of the fencing being used, but her concern was with where the fencing issue was going in the future. Rowlette asked how many homes (6) were beyond the applicant's due to poor sight lines. The applicant added that being on top of a hill created the problem of car headlights • shining into their home. Mr. Gerhlicher said he was out of town aiot, and the fence would help create a sense of security for his home. Rowlette added that the fence did fit the scheme of the property. She asked if bushes could be cleared to improve the sight lines. The applicant said this could be done. Smith asked if more space could be left on either side of the drive. The applicant said this was possible, but the posts were already in place, as this area is not where a variance is required. There were no public comments. Rowlette moved, Lindquist seconded, to approve Application #2032 for required setback and height variance with the condition that the applicant work with Staff on improving sight lines at the entrance through clearing of vegetation. Ayes 3, Nays 1, Smith Nay. Smith said fencing should be lower and was concerned with creating alleyways of fencing. (#4) #2033 DONALD AND ARLENE KIELLEY,1670 SHADYWOOD ROAD - VARIANCES - PUBLIC HEARING 7:28 -7 :51 P.M. The Certificate of Mailing and Affidavit of Publication were noted. 0 Mr. Kielley and his contractor, Mr. Roelofs, were present. 3 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 (#4 - #2033 - Donald & Arlene Kielley - Continued) Mabusth reported that an application was approved in 1982 for a variance for a detached garage. Excess hardcover was found over the amount approved in 1982. An expansion of paved area was found adjacent to the garage. This was not installed by the current applicant. A detached shed had been removed, but a connecting walkway between both structures was to have been removed and had not been. 166 s.f of hardcover was added in a rock area underlined with plastic. Hardcover calculations have been adjusted. The current application is for a 10- 1/2x42 -1/2' addition to the street side of the residence. The floor plan was reviewed and calls for an expansion of a family room, a formal entrance, and a covered deck area. With the addition, lot coverage would increase by 510 sT or 3.5 %. 15% lot coverage is allowed. Lot coverage exists at 15.6 %. With the proposed addition, lot coverage would be at 19.1 %; 4.1% over the allowed amount. A hardcover reduction of 4.8% in the 0 -75' setback zone was noted. Hardcover in the 75- 250' zone exists at 51.6% and is proposed at 52.8 %. Total hardcover increase would be 113 s.f or 0.8 %. A side setback variance of 4' would also be required. The structure is presently at 8" and the addition is proposed at 6'. Smith suggested the triangle area of rock and concrete area between the two garages be removed. Smith noted that part of the new hardcover will be placed over non - structural • hardcover. Lindquist agreed with the suggested removal. Lindquist asked what material would be used for the new walkway. It will be of a concrete -type material as it is now. Mabusth said elimination of these two areas would result in reductions of 126 s.f., or 1.3 %, in the 75 -250' zone for the plastic underlayment and 98 s.f of concrete, or 1 %, for the area between the garages, for a total of 2.3 %. Other removal consists of 540 s.f of plastic, or 5.5 %, but is also non - structural. Mabusth asked if there were drainage concerns on the property noting erosion on the north side. The applicant said a small basement under the north corner does get damp. It was found that no gutters are planned. Roelof said the problem lies with the gabled ends being on a down slope but is not a critical problem. Kielley said he was concerned with removing the rock on the north side because of the drainage. Lindquist said the concrete and plastic would have to be removed but gravel was okay. Smith and Rowlette said they both preferred to see this area green. Smith said she would be okay with gravel if drainage was a problem. Lindquist asked that the applicant work with Staff on this issue. Berg suggested regrading of the area. There were no public comments. The hardcover removal as planned and suggested would result in a decrease of about 10 %. Rowlette said the resolution should state for the record a hold on any future structural improvements unless existing structure is removed to offset any new structure. 4 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMNIISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 • (#4 - ##2033 Donald & Arlene Kielley - Continued) Rowlette said a side variance presented no problem in her view as the next residence over was a fair distance away. Lindquist moved, Rowlette seconded, to approve Application #2033 with the condition that all plastic areas be removed as well as the concrete and gravel areas. The removal of the rock on the north side will be dependent on Staff findings concerning drainage. It shall be further noted that this would be the maximum amount of structural coverage allowed on this property in the future without removal of existing structure. Ayes 4, Nays 0. ( #5) #2034 MARY AND GENE ZULK, 1400 CHERRY PLACE - VARIANCES - PUBLIC HEARING 7:51 -8:01 P.M. The Certificate of Mailing and Affidavit of Publication were noted. Mr. Zulk was present. This application is for a 10x26' covered deck addition on the street side. A structural coverage variance is required. Structural coverage exists at 17.6 %, allowed at 15 %, and is proposed at 19.9 1/o, for an increase of 263 s.f, or 2.3 %. Mabusth reported that hardcover can be reduced in the 75 -250' zone with the removal of a rock patio at northeast side of residence of 175 s.f. Hardcover exists at 49.2 %, proposed at 51.8 %, for an additional 213 s.f, , or 2.64 1/o. No side setback variance is required. Mabusth asked the applicant if there was any existing hardcover areas that could be removed to offset the hardcover amount. Zulk said he had no drainage problems and suggested removal of the stone patio on the northeast side. Lindquist asked about the walkway on the north side of the property. This was found to be used to access the lower level. There are stairs to access this level, and Zulk said the sidewalk underneath could be removed, but decking will be placed over this area. Lindquist said, although he was unhappy with additional hardcover, he saw no area where removal could be done to offset the new. Mabusth noted with the removal of the 175 s.f. or 2.2% of patio hardcover, there would be an overall reduction in hardcover. This results in less hardcover than originally existed. There were no public comments. Commission asked that a disclaimer be added to the resolution allowing no more structural improvements on this property in the future without removal of existing structures. is MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 ( #5 - #2034 Mary & Gene Zulk - Continued) Smith moved, Lindquist seconded, to approve Application #2034 for a covered deck addition to the street side with removal of the stone patio on the northeast, with the disclaimer of allowing no additional structural improvements on the property in the future without the removal of existing structure. Ayes 4, Nays 0. ( #6) #2036 ROBERT J. GOUTANIS,1098 LOMA LINDA AVENUE - VARIANCES - PUBLIC HEARING 8:01 -8:37 P.M. The Certificate of Mailing and Affidavit of Publication were noted. Mr. Goutanis was present. Mabusth reported that the original residence was built in 1934. The garage encroaches 6" into the public right -of -way, which is a lakeshore access used year around with a swimming dock. Structural failings have been found within the existing foundation. The applicant proposes 3x8' rounding off of the structure at the southeast and northeast corners. The applicant has proposed three options by which to proceed and is asking for a recommendation from the Planning Commission as to which option they would approve. Case #1 would involve partial foundation repairs at the lakeside with an renovation of the first floor only. The condition of the remaining foundation would not enable any expansion of the second floor. Case #2 involves a complete replacement of the foundation. Both cases 1 and 2 would require the house to be raised. In this case, improvements would also be made to the second floor level, all within the same footprint. There would be a slight encroachment of the lakeshore yard by the steps and stoop of 4'. The detached garage would stay the same at 24x22', as in case #1, with side relocation of the garage door. The 6" encroachment would remain. Hardcover statistics reflect the increase in hardcover. A side setback variance is needed in this case. Case #3 would relocate the home further away from the lake with the same footprint. It would improve the left side setback to 10', where house is 6 -112' from lot line. The garage would be the same but would now be attached and still encroach 6 ". The upper level improvements would now include a deck to the lakeside. This would not involve any encroachment of the average lakeshore setback line as it would not extend beyond the given footprint located further away from lake. Lindquist asked if the Commission could approve an application that encroaches on the ispublic right -of -way. Mabusth replied that she would hope this would not occur. 6 • L_-] • MQNUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 (#6 - #2036 Robert Goutanis - Continued) The applicant said if the Commission would approve a two -car garage, he would be willing to locate it wherever necessary to remove the 6" encroachment. The 24' garage dimension was set arbitrarily by the applicant as Gountanis said most municipalities require 528 s.f minimum garage size today. If Staff or Planning Commission recommended a reduction in size, the applicant said a 22x22' garage would be satisfactory. Rowlette asked if the side setback required is 10'. Mabusth said that is true, but the setback to the lake is also an issue. If the garage were to be moved 10' with side loading doors, there would be no room for a car to back up, enter, or exit. Rowlette commented moving the foundation makes this application new construction. It was further noted that some kind of variance would be needed on this property for any building changes at all as majority of lot is located within Lakeshore protected area. Gountanis said it was his attempt to minimize hardcover in the lakeshore area and away from the neighbors. Lindquist asked Gountanis what his preference was in relation to the three options. Gountanis said case #1 was the simpliest. Case #2 provided for more space but still presented problems with the foundation. Case #3 would be most cost effective to start over again and replace in the best area for the property. Gountanis agrees that the garage should be moved at least 6" and would be easier accomplished by building a new garage. Case #3 is his preference, but said it would come down to the money approved by his lender on whether his choice would be case 1 or 3. Smith inquired about the history of the property. The previous owner, Mr. Herman, had used it as his secondary residence. It had been homesteaded in 1974 -81. It has not been occupied for several years. Bill Bachman, 1090 Loma Linda, whose property lies north of the subject property, said he would like to see the property restored. He has no reservations on the proposals presented. Gountanis said he had spoken with Bachman concerning improvements. Bachman had said he improved his own property in 1990 with tunneling under and pouring the foundation to save the residence. Mabusth commented that this residence is not located in the 0-75' zone. Rowlette said case #1 would have a bandaid -type affect. It was her recommendation to keep structural coverage at 1500 s.f maximum and would only approve case #3, providing the garage be moved allowing safe egress and ingress. Rowlette further noted that leaving the property as seasonal would not solve any problems and remain an eyesore. It was commented that there would be no average lakeshore issue or any visual impact on the neighbors. 7 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 • ( #6 - #2036 Robert Goutanis - Continued) Lindquist commented that with the 1000 s.f house, it would leave less than 500 s.f for the garage. The applicant proposes the house at 980 s.f with a 22x22' garage for a total of 1492 s.f. Rowlette recommended moving the garage 3' at the most. Mayor Callahan suggested moving the garage back parallel with the house and changing the curb cut. Gountanis responded that the lot was only 48' wide, and the turning radius from the garage area would be affected if the garage were to be moved that far north. It was explained that this would allow the applicant to enter the garage from the public access side. Gountanis asked if this improvement would be paid by the City. Mabusth said it would be at the expense of the applicant to make the upgrade. Rowlette and Lindquist said the black-topping would not add any major cost to repairs already projected. Tim Osgood, 1045 Loma Linda, said the public right -of -way is a fire lane. If blacktop were to be installed, it would create a problem with attracting more people into using the right -of -way as a landing. The public use this access to park at since the parking along North Shore Drive was prohibited. Ann Stevens, co -owner with Gountanis, said the blacktopping would make the road more accessible and would not favor this option. Lindquist moved, Smith seconded, to approve Application #2036 for Case #3 as outlined with maximum structural coverage of 1500 s.f.. The garage may no longer encroach into the public landing area and must be set back a minimum of 3' from the lot line. Ayes 4, Nays 0. ( #7) #2037 WAYZATA LEARNING CENTER, 850 WAYZATA BOULEVARD - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT - PUBLIC HEARING TO BE CONTINUED AT A FUTURE MEETING Application #2037 will be continued at a future meeting. (#8) #2038 DICK HEIT,1153 ELMWOOD AVENUE - VARIANCES - PUBLIC HEARING 8 :42 -9:00 P.M. The Certificate of Mailing and Affidavit of Publication were noted. Mr. Heit and his contractor were present. • 8 • MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 ( #8 - #2038 Dick Heit - Continued) Mabusth reported that the application is for a 10x28' two -story addition to the lakeside of the residence. The present lower level screened porch will be replaced with another screened porch and open deck. The upper level will include an extension of the dining room, instead of an enclosed porch as originally proposed, and a deck. Hardcover improvements exist as they were in the 1980's review; no new improvements have been installed. A City turnaround was probably not included in the prior calculations. Hardcover calculations now include areas of both lots. The property is made up of two lots. Rowlette asked if there was a drainage problem on the north side of the lot. The applicant said there had been but was in the process of solving the problem through drain tiling. Heit has dug a ditch to install the drain tile. It was suggested that the rock area not be driven over to prevent erosion. Mabusth reported that there is a vacant lot adjacent to the property. An average lakeshore setback variance is required but opined that the proposed additional encroachment of 2' would not impact adjacent properties, noting the vacant unbuildable lot to north side, one residence to south on higher elevations located 90'+ from shared lot line. . Lindquist asked if part of the garage encroached onto Elmwood. It was found that the road was not in the platted right of way but located in applicant's eastern lot. Applicant's garage and driveway are located in street right of way.. There were no public comments. The hardcover in the 0-75' zone is not structural but a stairway. The large amount of hardcover in the 75 -250' zone included the large turnaround installed by the City. Mabusth asked the applicant to combine the two lots as part of the application. It was noted that two lots that do not abut each other can be combined as long as the City approves. The additional 2" proposed into the side yard setback is caused by the angle of the addition. This setback is to the vacant lot side of the property. The applicant noted that he was informed that the owner of the 50' lot cannot build on a lot that narrow. Mabusth confirmed this from an earlier variance application. Berg moved, Smith seconded, to approve Application #2038 for side yard setback, average lakeshore setback, and hardcover variances to include the legal combination of Lots 8 and 19, and the removal of the landscape areas as shown. Staff has been asked to have the City Engineer look at the erosion problem on the north side and make any determinations necessary. Ayes 4, Nays 0. 9 �J MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 ( #9) #2040 DOUG OLSON, 2601 WEST LAFAYETTE ROAD - VARIANCE - PUBLIC HEARING 9:00 -9 :16 P.M. The Certificate of Mailing and Affidavit of Publication were noted. Jim Smith represented the applicant. Mabusth reported that the application is to remove and replace existing concrete patio around the pool area in the 0 -75' zone with interlocking pavers in a sand bed. The City considers this hardcover, while the DNR considers it softcover. 170 s.f of patio and 65 s.f of stepping pads will be restored to grass. The applicant has provided an updated survey locating the pool and patio in relation to the shoreline. The closest portion of the patio to the lake is at 24'. The proposed hardcover shows a reduction of 0.76% or 235 s.f Mabusth said the property has over 800' of shoreline. There is an existing walkway to the dock area. Considerable hardcover has already been reduced with the removal of the 15x15' boathouse foundation and the walkway around the peninsula area. The property is a seasonal residence for the applicant. Future goals are a new entry and a bedroom addition over the garage. It is the applicant's intention to convert residence to their primary residence. It was purchased in 1994 and has seen major cleaning up of the property since that time. The shoreline has been riprapped. A hillside along the lake has been planted. Plastic underlayment has been removed and replanting has occurred. J. Smith said the applicant has spent $120,000 in clean up. J. Smith said the concrete patio under consideration has cracked and the replacement is part of the clean up project. This patio area is the closest hardcover surface by the pool and has been reduced in size. J. Smith noted that the driveway serves three homes and also as a turnaround. The owners would like to change this. The new entry will eliminate the driveway turnaround. Updated hardcover calculations and survey will be done when more improvements are made. Rowlette recommended the removal of the stepping stones to the dock area. J. Smith said the stones to the dock make logical sense, where the other stones did not. J. Smith further noted that 300' have already been taken out in stepping stones and about 2000 s.f. in total hardcover removal throughout the clean -up process. The applicant's willingness to remove hardcover and clean up the property was noted. J. Smith asked for clarification on the approach to the pool area. Other than through the side lawn area, the patio is the main approach to the pool area. 10 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 • ( #9 - #2040 Doug Olson - Continued) Mabusth noted that the peninsula shape of the lot places major portions of property within the 0 -75' zone. Lindquist said any consideration by the applicant to remove the stepping stones to the dock would be appreciated. Smith moved, Lindquist seconded, to approve Application #2040 for the removal and replacement of the concrete pad around the pool with the removal of 65 s.£ of stones and 170 s.f of patio concrete to be replaced with grass. Ayes 3, Nays 1, Rowlette Nay. Rowlette's recommendation is for all the stepping stones to be removed. Smith said he will make that recommendation to the Olson's and amend the application if approval is given. ( #10) #2041 PHIL AND DARCY OTTO, 4116 HIGHWOOD ROAD - AFTER - THE -FACT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT - PUBLIC HEARING 9 :16 -9:43 P.M. The Certificate of Mailing and Affidavit of Publication were noted. • Mr. & Mrs. Otto were present. Mabusth reported that grading plans had been approved with the building permit. Through the process in working within the steep banks in front of residence, additional cuts were made which will require additional and higher retaining walls. The area was excavated further than originally proposed when the structure was erected and well installed. The Engineer has reviewed the specifications for retaining walls and accepted them. Drainage tiles to rear of wall were noted and drained to the rear of the property. A second curb cut was created with an island for safety reasons. Gerhardson approved the curb cut. L_J Smith asked if the direction of the wall was changed and taken by the initiative of the applicant. Otto said he had thought the well people had contacted the City. Mabusth said the City has no authority to issue permits for wells. This was the responsibility of the applicant. Rowlette noted that the applicant had commented to her when she visited the property that the house was not placed in the envelope as originally specified. The house placement was skewered by the guidelines of the setback. The original placement made the entry into the garage difficult and the exit impossible. Lindquist commented that the two curb cuts seemed to make sense. 11 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 • (#10 - #2041 Phil & Darcy Otto - Continued) Mabusth said additional fill from the excavation was placed in the rear yard. The Otto's are attempting to provided a gentler slope to the rear yard. The problem at the east side has been intensified. The problem now is how to deal with the finished elevations at the east yard at 15' width and maintain 2:1 slope, and also allow walking access to rear yard. Mabusth said it would be necessary to contact the property owner to the east to gain approval of any encroachment. The property is possibly in the in the process of going tax forfeit. Mabusth said detail on elevations, catch basins, and final grades are needed. Planning Commission is unable to make any further recommendations until the criteria established engineer is addressed. Mabusth asked the Commission if they prefer to revisit the application prior to going to the Council. The landscaping plan would be done at that point. The Commission had no problem with the application going forward if it met the criteria of the Engineer. It was recommended that the landscape architect work with the City Engineer. Glen Sauer of 4104 Highwood reported his concern with drainage from this lot exceeding the capacity of the ditch and retaining pond on his property. Sauer does not want this • property to further impact his yard. Pictures from heavy rains in 1978 and 1987 were shown to emphasize the problems. Sauer said he was concerned with the filling in the Otto's back yard and the change in the slope in that area. It is Sauer's opinion that how fast the drainage flows does not matter. Sauer says it all will eventually go through the 20' culvert with 8" tiles. He does not want any fill to hamper any of the retention areas. It was noted that the gentler slope may aid in water seeping down into the ground of the Otto property. Mabusth said the fill and sod should decrease the velocity of the flow. Sauer said there is no more storage capacity available. Mabusth said she would have Glenn Cook review the drainage issue with Shawn Gustafson. Cook is familiar with the drainage history of the area. The Planning Commissioners said this further information will need to be studied. Lindquist moved, Berg seconded, to table Application #2041 for further engineering review by City Engineer Cook. Planning Commission would like to receive confirmation on what will occur to the retention areas further downstream. Ayes 4, Nays 0. 12 • MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 SKETCH PLAN REVIEWS ( #11) #2035 MICHAEL HILBELINK, 2760 WATERTOWN ROAD - SKETCH PLAN /SUBDIVISIONICONCEPTUAL REVIEW Mabusth reported that the plan is for a 4 -lot subdivision of the former Rosch property at the northeast quadrant of Old Crystal Bay Road and Watertown Road. The parcel is 9- 1/2 acres in size. Access for three lots is proposed via a private road and cul -de -sac. The applicant is asking for lot 4 to be accessed from an existing driveway on Watertown Road. Mabusth noted that during the review of the Peterman Addition to the immediate east, the City did not seek access to this property. Access to this property would be resolved with future division. The proposal recommends a cul -de -sac with a private road and a single curb cut for lot 4 from the south. Additional concern is also for the bike trail on the west side of the property. Conceptual plans are for the septic to be located in this area. The Applicant met with Gerhardson and Cook, who said the trail would run 500 -600' down the length of the property with a 15' easement and cutting back to the road side of the trees. Mabusth said this should not impact the septic site but noted the need for a 20' separation. iMabusth commented on the design of road with a 60' wide road and 120' cul -de -sac. The code asks for 50' wide road and 100' cul -de -sac. Mabusth asked the Planning Commission for their views on additional curb cut. The drainage issues need to be addressed also. A berm funnels water along Watertown Road. A culvert built in 1987 was installed beneath existing access drive to lot 4. The applicant commented that two old drain tiles were found on Lots 1 and 2 draining from Goldenview to the east. Mabusth said this should be investigated further with the review of this subdivision. Lindquist commented that the access for Lot 4 seemed to be the logical choice but did recommend the private road to be 50' wide with a 100' cul -de -sac. It was noted that there is no problem with sight lines and distance for the 40 mph Watertown Road. Mabusth said no action is required at this time and recommended the applicant proceed with filing preliminary plans and need for complete septic testing and soil delineation requirements. 13 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 ( #11 - #2035 Michael Hilbelink - Continued) Council Member Jabbour commented that with any sketch plan, the Park Commission should receive the application between the sketch plan and preliminary plat for their review. Mabusth said Flint has been coordinating these efforts. The Park Commission will review these plans at their August 7 meeting prior to the application coming to the Planning Commission for further review. Rowlette asked that the Park Commission recommendation be part of the packet. The minutes of the Park Commission meeting will suffice. It was recommended that a Park Commission member be present at the Planning Commission meeting to review both sketch and preliminary plans and subdivision applications. PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS ( #12) REPORT BY PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE ATTENDING COUNCIL MEETING OF JULY 10, 1995 (SANDY SMITH) Smith reported on the approval of the Sailors World and James Bruce applications. Smith said the Council had similar problems with application issues but voted for approval. The Plank application was approved. Smith reported that the Planning Commission will be • asked to review the driveway /private road guidelines. A workshop will be scheduled. Smith reported Jabbour as saying, "all driveways are not created equal ", and Callahan as saying, "the current ordinance has worked well for the last 25 years." A two -month moratorium was placed on subdivisions addressing this issue. It was noted that another moratorium was approved for a six month period on any development north of Hwy 12 in order to allow time to study the Hwy 12 comprehensive plan amendment. ( #13) OTHER ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION It was suggested that a member of the Park Commission be present at the Planning Commission meetings when an agenda item is a sketch plan that would be of interest to the Park Commission. Representatives will be scheduled to attend Park Commission meetings. The Park Commission meeting agenda will be reviewed by the representative, who will attend the meeting if there are any items on the agenda requiring the attention of the Planning Commission. Rowlettte will attend the Park Commission meeting on August 7, 1995. 14 • C7 MINUTES OF THE ORONO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 17, 1995 ADDITIONAL ITEMS ( #14) PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE JUNE 19, 1995 MEETING Lindquist moved, Berg seconded, to approve the Minutes of the Planning Commission Meeting of June 19, 1995. Ayes 4, Nays 0. ( #15) PLANNING COMMISSION TO SELECT A REPRESENTATIVE TO ATTEND THE AUGUST 14, 1995 MEETING OF THE COUNCIL Dale Lindquist will attend the Council Meeting of August 14, 1995. ADJOURNMENT Lindquist moved, Rowlette seconded, to adjourn at 10:10 p.m. 15 Acting Chair Person GL