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Home My WebLink About07-29-1974 Planning Commission MeetingCITY OF ORONO Public Hearing before Plainrilin§ Commission, 7:30 P.M. July 29, 1974 The Planning Commission met bn the above date with the following members present: Chairman pro tem Kullberg, Curtis, Gasch, Hake, Kallestad, Pesdk, and Van Nest.- Elliott arrived at 8:15 P.M. Absent: Chairman Guthrie. Also present: Council- man Paurus, Engineer Willis Gilliard; representing DiCon: Messrs. Dickey, Lynch, and Jarvis. Mr. Lynch, representing DiCon, opened the meeting PUBLIC HEARING showing a series of sketches indicating that DiCon - Farview there were 57 acres in the subdivision along with 750' of shoreline on Maxwell Bay. The sketches showed lot and road configurations, slope analysis, green area and a drainage pattern, showing 100% drainage into Maxwell Bay. Proposed is: 19 lots with a minimum of two acres, one outlot on the lake proposed for a recreation area and one 8h acre lot encompassing the original estate residence. Mr. Lynch then presented another drainage plan whereby there would be a 16% diversion of draiAwater to French Lake via a.culvert across the proposed entrance to the property at County oad #84 and along County Road #84 to French Lake. It also reflected a storm drain to remove excess water from the marsh near the Old Crystal Bay Road access to the marsh near the lake. Another sketch showed a new configuration of lots to allow the road servicing the property to skirt the marsh near Old Crystal Bay Road instead of the original proposal to go through it.' At this time, Chairman Kullberg opened the hearing to the public. The following people spoke: Mr. DeLessops asked hoar the 16% water deflected MR. DE LESSOPS to French Lake would*get* there. Mr. Lynch showed the drainage plan indicating the drainage would go along County Road #84. Mr. DeLessops stated that there already is a drainage problem on his property caused by water coming down County Road #84, and'felt another 16% drainwater diverted from this property would increase the problem. The problem�on' their property is similar to NANCY KALLESTAD Mr. DeLessops. ,.nce he owned an adjacent property, he also F.C. LYMAN -Was concerned how any change in drainage would affect his property. MINUTES OF A PUBLIC HEARING HELD JULY 29, 1974 Page 2 Concern over how the 5% (as estimated by VAN NEST DiCon) hardcover after development would Lffect speed o_f runoff in an area already having one of the fastest runoffs in Orono into'the lake according to- :Hickok report; also, concern in usiiiq`a storm drain to Garry the storm water directly from upper swamg.to lower. He felt everything should remain in the natural state ;to slow runoff as much as possible. The engineer stated'that exiprgy dissipators could aid in slowing runoff. * "Concerned about the'capacity of the swamps GASCH to retain runoff in the event of heavy rains. Concern for use of outlot in the event the Lake MR. CARPENTER Minnetonka Conservation..District moratorium is 915 Old Crystal Bay Rd. lifted. ..' Kullberg queried the engineer as to how natural KULLBERG retention would compare with developed retention. Gilliard stated developed retention would be less than natural. Curtis asked whether the 501 proposed street CURTIS would have 50' of hardcover and was assured it would only be 241. Since nobody else wished to be heard, the public hearing was closed at 8:25 P.M. Members now commenced discussion on the merits of the proposed subdivision. Van Nest stated that while this was the type VAN NEST of development the City desired, there were still areas of concern and felt number one was the commons. He felt it should primarily be used for swimming, picnicing with elimination of dockage and no structures should be permitted. Kullberg wondered if the Park Commission should KULLBERG be brought in for evaluation of the subdivision. Members felt since this would all be private property, there was no need for this. Curtis felt since there are 19 lots proposed, CURTIS they should be each allowed a slip with no on -land storage. allestad opined that if 19 present commercial KALLESTAD slips could be disallowed, he would be in favor of 19 extra residential slips, but under present ,onditions, would not be in favor of them. How the water retention capabilities of the GASCH swamp was arrived at. MINUTES OF A PUBLIC HEARING HELD JULY 29, 1974 Page 3 His firm has registered engineers, and while JARVIS tot hydrologists, as the Hickok firm, they do study water retention. The water retention of a swamp is estimated by the area, slope, depth and the estimated 100 year rainfall duration. Gilliard at this time stated that was 6" in 24 hours. Mr. Jarvis continued that: 1. DiCon is willing to abide with any conditions if the plat approval was given. 2. They are not asking for dock approval at this time and would abide by any regulations placed by regulatory agencies. 3. Merely wanted to be given treatment that would be common to other subdivisions. Discission was commenced on riparian rights. Paurus cautioned members not to grant anything PAURUS to the developer that would set a precedent for future development in the matter of transfer of riparian rights and that lots adjacent to the outlot should have no more rights than somebody at the far end of the subdivision. "t was here computed that there would be 19' of - akeshore for each of the 17 lots if it were equally divided. Elliott opened discussion on the possibility ELLIOTT of making the outlot public. Van Nest moved, Hake seconded, to recommend that the Council give preliminary approval conditioned on the following conditions: 1. The lakeshore outlot common area be allowed provided that it shall contain no boat launch- ing, storage or dockage, nor shall it contain any temporary or permanent structures and ownership of membership shall be limited to only the original 17 off -shore lots so that any future additional subdivided lots would be specifically excluded from ownership or membership of the outlot. 2. Farview Avenue shall be rerouted so as to avoid the low area located in the northwest corner of the plat. The drainage from this low area to the marsh along the lakeshore shall be through natural drainage concourses with proper storm water easements and designed in such a way as to slow the runoff into the marsh area. 3. All lots are to meet the minimum requirements for the LR -lA district in all regards. (Continued) MINUTES OF A PUBLIC HEARING HELD JULY 29, 1974 Page 4 4. The maximum amount of drainage be diverted to French Lake provided the City engineer finds no detrimental effect will be caused a to the people in this drainage area. 5. Cash dedication in lieu of land be made to park fund. , At this time, it was decided to vote on each condition separately. 1. Recommended approval. Motion, Ayes (8) - Nays (0) . 2. Recommended approval. Motion, Ayes (8) - Nays (0) . 3. Recommended approval. Motion, Ayes (8) - Nays (0) . Pesek and Kallestad moved to amend this to read: "the engineer to make a study of all drainage from the subject property and explore the possibility of diverting some drainage into French Lake without causing any undue problems to neighboring properties in the process of doing so.' 4. Recommend approval as amended. Motion, Ayes ( 8) - Nays (0) . 5. Amended to read: 5% of the raw land value to be dedicated to park fund in lieu of land. Recommended approval. Motion, Ayes ( 8) - Nays (0) . Kullberg moved, Kallestad seconded, that the ADJOURNMENT hearing be adjourned at 9:30 P.M. Motion, Ayes (8) -Mays (0) . Respectfully submitted, Michael Scheller Secretary pro tem