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Home My WebLink AboutRe: discussion of property � � Page 1 of 3 . Melanie Curtis From: Mike Gaffron Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:23 AM To: Melanie Curtis Subject: FW: Memo of Understanding ---- RE: Discussions with Orono on Spruce Way property Michael P. Gaffron Assistant City Administrator/Long Term Strategy City of Orono (Street Address)2750 Kelley Parkway (Mailing Address)P.O. Box 66,Crystal Bay, MN 55323 Phone: (952)249-4600 Fax: (952)249-4616 From: Hammerschmidt, Kenneth A [mailto:KAHammerschmidt@CBBURNET.COM] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:50 PM To: Mike Gaffron Subject: RE: Memo of Understanding ---- RE: Discussions with Orono on Spruce Way property Thanks for the clarification Mike! Let my experience work for you! Ken Hammerschmidt, GRI, e-PRO'�, RSA Tel: 952-475-9314 Fax: 952-473-3932 Cell: 612-670-9356 www.hammerlandandhomes.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Gaffron [mailto:MGaffron@ci.orono.mn.us] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:47 PM To: Hammerschmidt, Kenneth A; christopher.hildreth@ci.minneapolis.mn.us Cc: Melanie Curtis Subject: RE: Memo of Understanding ---- RE: Discussions with Orono on Spruce Way property Chris & Ken— One clarification: Under item#2, only one accessory building over 1000 s.f. is allowed (not required), and it can't exceed 2600/3000 s.f. dependent on acreage; all other accessory buildings must be less than 1000 s.f. each, with the total square footage of all accessory buildings not exceeding the 5200/6000 s.f. limit for the site. Mike Michael P. Gaffron 9/24/2008 Page 2 of 3 Assistant City Administrator/Long Term Strategy City of Orono (Street Address)2750 Kelley Parkway (Mailing Address) P.O. Box 66,Crystal Bay,MN 55323 Phone: (952)249-4600 Fax: (952)249-4616 -----Original Message----- From: Hammerschmidt, Kenneth A [mailto:KAHammerschmidt@CBBURNET.COM] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:29 PM To: christopher.hildreth@ci.minneapolis.mn.us Cc: Mike Gaffron Subject: Memo of Understanding ---- RE: Discussions with Orono on Spruce Way property Chris In our varied discussions, you had four`areas of concern' relating to the property @ 4575 Spruce Way. Following is a summary of what I understood after discussing those areas with Orono representatives: 1. Water/Sewer Hookup--- Basically, to allow hookup to Medina sewer and to Maple Plain water would require a `comp plan' update with the Met council for that area; and would open up the door for higher density (1 to 4/acre) housing in the area, which Orono does not want(re: in their attempt to maintain their open spaces) for their housing. They are not interested in amending their"Comprehensive Plan"I 2. House/Outbuildings and Horses--- If you have 9+ acres of land (excluding wetland area), you are allowed a total of 6000 sq. ft. of outbuildings; but one building must be over 1000 sq. ft. and no more than 3000 sq. ft. If you have 7-8 acres you are allowed a total of 5200 sq. ft. of outbuildings; but one building must be over 1000 sq. ft. and no more than 2600 sq. ft. Regarding horses, Orono requires 3 acres minimum to have A horse (1 acre for the house and 2 acres of pasture); and then 4 acres for two horses, 5 acres for three horses, etc. The pasture area cannot include the primary and secondary septic system drain field sites. 3. Wetland Delineation --- I was told that they would listen regarding any wetland delineation efforts provided it is done utilizing a qualified/experienced `Wetland Delineator'; and 'Watershed'was consulted with an "agreement in principle". This initiative could produce additional qualified acreage? 4. Pond discharge---Tom Kellogg from Bonostros (Oronos' City Engineer) informed me that the area above ground was surveyed as a natural swale because he understood it to be a wetland area between the pond and the "wetland". The first thing would be to validate whether it is/is not a wetland? Assuming it is not a wetland, there are several alternatives to getting the water from the pond to the wetland area. E.G. One could run an underground pipe under the present `surveyed swale' trying to maintain the present swale, relocate a swale to the east of the property with pipe below it, etc. If the present swale is a wetland, then you could mitigate the wetland to another area of the property allowing for a discharge path for the pond waterl It must be noted that anything done must also have the blessing of the 'Watershed DistricY, which is common protocol in the Metro area (s) Please note: #1, 2 and 3 was input from Orono's present`Planning Director' Michael Gaffron; and #4 was with Tom Kellogg. Mike G. said that any future correspondence must be with Melanie who has taken over his duties as Planning Director, as he has undertaken a new role with Orono. I hope this provides you the information you were seeking, for your reference? If you need any additional information or clarification, please contact mef Regards, 9/24/2008 • � Z Melanie Curtis From: Melanie Curtis Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:04 PM To: 'kahammer@cbbrunet.com'; 'christopher.hildreth@ci.minneapolis.mn.us' Cc: Mike Gaffron; Christine Mattson Subject: RE: 4575 Spruce Way Ken Correction:We did find the MCWD comments you dropped off previously, however we do not have a copy of the delineation. Please provide this. Thanks, Melanie Melanie Curtis 952.249.4627 mcurtisCrDci.orono.mn.us Planning &Zoning Office 952.249.4620 From: Melanie Curtis Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'kahammer@cbbrunet.com'; 'christopher.hildreth@ci.minneapolis.mn.us' Cc: Mike Gaffron; Christine Mattson; Willie Gibbs; Tom Kellogg; Evelyn M. Turner Subject: 4575 Spruce Way Ken I've been looking into your questions on 4574 Spruce Way. To bring me more up to date, Mike Gaffron forwarded your previous email chain to me (it is attached). I cannot locate a wetland delineation for this property. Please us send a copy to put in the address file. The delineation should be submitted to the MCWD for their review and approval. If you have not done this, it should be approved by the MCWD before making an application to the City. Any changes to the wetland should be shown on the survey. I understand that a potential buyer is interested in moving the existing drainage easement to an alternate location on the property. I've outlined the steps to explore whether this drainage easement can be moved. #1 -The establishment of an alternate over-land drainage easemenUswale location. Over land drainage is preferable. Sub-surface piping alone or other below grade method will not be sufficient, or approved by the City. The new drainage swale would have to be dedicated as a new drainage easement prior to vacation of the existing one. The Citys engineer would need to review and approve the new easement and any alteration to the existing site. In order to do this the City requires additional information to be shown on the survey. 1. Show existing topography and proposed grades; 2. Show all of the existing buildings—a possible location for the proposed home would also be helpful; 3. Show the driveway—existing and any proposed changes; 4. Show the stormwater pond on the survey including the outlet structure with overflow, outlet and weir elevations; 5. Show existing (and proposed)septic system. As I believe a new home is to be proposed,testing should be conducted and two new, proposed 5-bedroom site designs must be submitted for review and shown on the survey. Contact Willie Gibbs, Orono's Septic Manager, at 952249.4626 for more information. #2—The second step is an application for a City grading permit to grade the new swale. The above revisions to the survey are necessary in order for the City to review your grading permit request. An escrow in the amount of$500 is required for this type of permit. #3- Vacation of the existing drainage easement is the final step. Please let me know if you have any questions. If the property owner is interested in this project I believe the best way to begin would be a meeting between the owner/applicant, myself and the City's engineer. Having the necessary updates to the survey will make this meeting more efficient. Let me know how I can be of further assistance. Have a nice weekend, Melanie 1